The Rubbish here is people suggesting that others don't have an open mind because they have considered the situation and made a judgement. An open mind does not mean never forming an opinion. It means being open to having that opinion changed.Mellow Velo said:Rubbish.
Black and white would be a one colour improvement around here.
This: "you are either with us or against us" ( and therefore wrong) ideology is nonsense.
However, the reality is that some people have seen enough to make an informed, considered judgement. Should some fact come to light which would shine a new light on the topic, I am certainly willing to change my view. However, as I have determined by slogging through a ton of the existing evidence, this is as unlikely an event as could occur. The time to present facts which would contradict my informed judgement seems to have long since passed–why hasn't it come to light? Where are those physiological parameters that would indicate Froome is naturally capable of his performances? Where are the explanations for all the lies and contradictions? They aren't there. As such, I have formed an opinion. You seem to be left personally attacking people for lacking an "open mind" (as you put it), which only confirms the lack of any other evidence which could change my view.
There is no "us" to be with or against. There is me and my view. I don't even know what yours is, other than "I don't really know" and "you all don't have an open mind". I don't have much to say about the former, but the latter is horse droppings.