Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[The Hitch]

Possibly the scummiest post I've seen in the Clinic. Let's pile the wife and kids on the pyre. Cycling News should be ashamed of hosting this excrement.

This reminds me of the time martinvickers lobbied to get the entire forum taken down for ever because some unidentified contador fan on Twitter sent abusive pms to Cound.

The same massive overreaction from someone ultimately blowing totally out of proportion any tiny opening they can find.

U even tried to throw the kids in there lol to make it worse. I'm assuming that was supposed to be subtle but it stands out pretty clearly that bennotis 2 line post doesn't mention kids anywhere and then your brief response suddenly lumps them in out of nowhere lol. Pretty weak trolling.

Edit: not that bennotis post wasn't a bit out of order and he still doesn't seem to understand what the actual benefits of doping are with his strange constant insistence that the people with the most to lose will somehow sacrifice themselves.

 

[The Chicken]

Dawg on UK telly tonight: Sports Life Stories, ITV4, 10pm. Contributions from Brailsford, David Walsh and Geert Leinders. Should be good.

http://www.itv.com/presscentre/ep2week9/sports-life-stories

 

[skippythepinhead]

Dawg on UK telly tonight: Sports Life Stories, ITV4, 10pm. Contributions from Brailsford, David Walsh and Geert Leinders. Should be good.

http://www.itv.com/presscentre/ep2week9/sports-life-stories

Too bad there was already a band called "Circle Jerks"

 

[thehog]

Too bad there was already a band called "Circle Jerks"

Looks to be a good series:

Footballer Peter Shilton

Cyclist Chris Froome

Athlete Paula Radcliffe

Footballer Andy Cole

Athlete Linford Christie

Footballer John Barnes

Rugby player Jason Robinson

Boxer Carl Froch

 

[the sceptic]

This reminds me of the time martinvickers lobbied to get the entire forum taken down for ever because some unidentified contador fan on Twitter sent abusive pms to Cound.

The same massive overreaction from someone ultimately blowing totally out of proportion any tiny opening they can find.

U even tried to throw the kids in there lol to make it worse. I'm assuming that was supposed to be subtle but it stands out pretty clearly that bennotis 2 line post doesn't mention kids anywhere and then your brief response suddenly lumps them in out of nowhere lol. Pretty weak trolling.

Edit: not that bennotis post wasn't a bit out of order and he still doesn't seem to understand what the actual benefits of doping are with his strange constant insistence that the people with the most to lose will somehow sacrifice themselves.

ventoux bore playing martyr is funny considering he spends all his spare time trolling the clinic with personal attacks on 50 different accounts.

 

[Benotti69]

..........

Edit: not that bennotis post wasn't a bit out of order and he still doesn't seem to understand what the actual benefits of doping are with his strange constant insistence that the people with the most to lose will somehow sacrifice themselves.

Plenty have thrown caution to the wind and let the heart rule the head.

Given Wiggins comments live on tv.....one would not need to stretch ones imagination far to think this wannabe rock n roller would embrace all the trappings on that lifestyle, sex, drugs and rockn'roll.

 

[blackcat]

Looks to be a good series:

antipode ring-in? Mark Bosnich? He can atleast deliver the SiS bidons from the bench?

 

[Digger]

ventoux bore playing martyr is funny considering he spends all his spare time trolling the clinic with personal attacks on 50 different accounts.

and on twitter with about the same amount - he loves me though - as evidenced by all the twitter accounts he has set up in my honour to troll me!!

He also was trolling Paul Kimmage and Shane Stokes at one stage...until Paul called him out and he ran for the hills.

 

[thehog]

antipode ring-in? Mark Bosnich? He can atleast deliver the SiS bidons from the bench?

Sophie Anderton...

 

[blackcat]

Sophie Anderton...

"to tell you the truth, I've had better"

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

everybody loved Nieve when he won the Giro stage, and did well and helped Contador on Ventoux 2013
He's just racing with the wrong team now, so people are not happy.
I am more than happy for Mikel

Yep, now he is another super duper Skyborg doper. But totally likeable before, when riding with the clean team.

Don't project. I'd certainly heard of Dani Diaz (a few years of decent results in the same race) and Kleber Silva (consistently strong in the climbing stages of the Tour do Rio), while Rodolfo Torres did the Giro last year with Coldeportes. Don't know about Torres but the two Funvic riders seem like there's obviously something going on there.

Very obvious. The likes of Daniel Diaz come out of nowhere, dominate top 1-A pros, and then you dont hear about them for at least another 12 months...
That is what we get with the BP: The top pros have to take care to keep things inbound, while some crazy South Americans relive the "Mr-63%" transformations (now and then some of this "63-percenters" are caught, if they think they could sign with pro teams: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=21933) w/o being afraid of getting caught. And this leads to the most grotesque results since... well... forever...
Obscure amateurs beating pros. Unheard of in any other sport.
Froome, Porte, etc., are clean & humble in comparison to this Horner-like-Aliens.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Mrs Wiggins opinion of Landis was much worse than what was written here.

Anyone who knows her will doubtless give similar assessments.

Keeping families out of it is a decent journalistic convention for many reasons. Most sites moderate this stuff but it seems Benson is hungry for the clicks. It's pretty shabby if you ask me.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

I have a long response, and a short one.

I'll give you the short one, and hold onto the long one just in case:

HTFU

I think Skippy is trying to tell me something.

I like you Skippy, you seem like a real human being, but STFU.

 

[Markyboyzx6r]

I think I just sicked up in my mouth.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

This reminds me of the time martinvickers lobbied to get the entire forum taken down for ever because some unidentified contador fan on Twitter sent abusive pms to Cound.

The same massive overreaction from someone ultimately blowing totally out of proportion any tiny opening they can find.

U even tried to throw the kids in there lol to make it worse. I'm assuming that was supposed to be subtle but it stands out pretty clearly that bennotis 2 line post doesn't mention kids anywhere and then your brief response suddenly lumps them in out of nowhere lol. Pretty weak trolling.

Edit: not that bennotis post wasn't a bit out of order and he still doesn't seem to understand what the actual benefits of doping are with his strange constant insistence that the people with the most to lose will somehow sacrifice themselves.

Another notch on the hutch Hitch. Good wood. Back up a single assertion in your diatribe with numbers/facts and I won't chuckle at the length of your autobiographyature.

 

[bobbins]

Keeping families out of it is a decent journalistic convention for many reasons. Most sites moderate this stuff but it seems Benson is hungry for the clicks. It's pretty shabby if you ask me.

I doubt that she's completely in the dark about what's going on and given the lifestyle she's accustomed to she'll be turning a blind eye til she's dizzy.

 

[the sceptic]

Another notch on the hutch Hitch. Good wood. Back up a single assertion in your diatribe with numbers/facts and I won't s****** at the length of your autobiographyature.

you seem upset. is everything ok?

does it really bother you that much that Wiggins is doping?

 

[Digger]

Ventoux is your typical sky infatuated fan - he's also vicious.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Very obvious. The likes of Daniel Diaz come out of nowhere, dominate top 1-A pros, and then you dont hear about them for at least another 12 months...

Unless you look at results in South American cycling, where they still do get results, but mostly feuding with other dopers in races where testing is minimal.

That is what we get with the BP: The top pros have to take care to keep things inbound, while some crazy South Americans relive the "Mr-63%" transformations (now and then some of this "63-percenters" are caught, if they think they could sign with pro teams: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=21933) w/o being afraid of getting caught. And this leads to the most grotesque results since... well... forever...
Obscure amateurs beating pros. Unheard of in any other sport.
Froome, Porte, etc., are clean & humble in comparison to this Horner-like-Aliens.

Come on, Foxxy. You know what's what. Don't take us all for idiots. Nobody believes in Horner, and very few believe in Diaz (those that defended him back in the PRR forum likely don't believe he's clean, they just believe that he's not as much of a scrub as you think when you bear in mind the people he's beating are also likely dopers).

And come on, Froome's initial transformation was stupid. He became a super-strength superstar in a matter of hours (between the San Lorenzo de El Escorial stage and the La Covatilla one), and over the course of that Vuelta he went from being a guy who couldn't sprint to save his life to a guy who was winning bonus second sprints to try to catch back up the time his team had screwed him out of. And then he was super strong at the pan-flat Worlds as a domestique.

And then he got signed to the big money contract he would never have otherwise got. And then he sucked out loud for half a season. He didn't win any CQ points at all in 2012 until he got 5 in early May for the amazing result of not climbing off the bike during the Tour de Romandie. He then suddenly was back to Chris the Destroyer mode in June. Sure, since then he has more or less been Chris the Destroyer permanently, but people seem to forget that six months of utter suckitude between his first transformation and his permanent one.

The only thing Horner has on him is age. Horner had a similarly hilarious transformation but at an age where they couldn't even come up with any ideas for mitigating circumstances like they could with Froome, even though some of the mitigating factors that were offered were so poorly thought-out an eight year old could counter them (such as "Froome roomed with Porte, rather than on his own, whereas dopers like Lance roomed alone, therefore Froome wouldn't dope as somebody would see"). The best mitigating factors people could think of for Horner? "Oh, he beat up US domestic pros about 10 years ago and because he was rubbish in Europe the first time he hasn't done as much racing as some people who are younger than him"...

 

[Ventoux Boar]

I doubt that she's completely in the dark about what's going on and given the lifestyle she's accustomed to she'll be turning a blind eye til she's dizzy.

That's a good point. Let's go. Does she have any medical history we can ridicule. What about the kids and their learning difficulties? Seams nice. Get digging.

 

[The Hitch]

Isn't there some rule against trying to bring a riders children into a discussion and saying they have learning difficulties? How is that even remotely on topic?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Unless you look at results in South American cycling, where they still do get results, but mostly feuding with other dopers in races where testing is minimal.

Yep. And then they sign contracts with real pros with two consequences: a.) being caught as a 63-percenter
b.) riding in anonymity for a couple of years before heading back to South America...
Thus it seems the BP is working to some extend.

Come on, Foxxy. You know what's what. Don't take us all for idiots. Nobody believes in Horner, and very few believe in Diaz (those that defended him back in the PRR forum likely don't believe he's clean, they just believe that he's not as much of a scrub as you think when you bear in mind the people he's beating are also likely dopers).

Not all, only those (the majority) that explain Horner, Diaz & Co. as plausible. Its beyond me after the million of scandals since 1998.

And come on, Froome's initial transformation was stupid. He became a super-strength superstar in a matter of hours (between the San Lorenzo de El Escorial stage and the La Covatilla one), and over the course of that Vuelta he went from being a guy who couldn't sprint to save his life to a guy who was winning bonus second sprints to try to catch back up the time his team had screwed him out of. And then he was super strong at the pan-flat Worlds as a domestique.

And then he got signed to the big money contract he would never have otherwise got. And then he sucked out loud for half a season. He didn't win any CQ points at all in 2012 until he got 5 in early May for the amazing result of not climbing off the bike during the Tour de Romandie. He then suddenly was back to Chris the Destroyer mode in June. Sure, since then he has more or less been Chris the Destroyer permanently, but people seem to forget that six months of utter suckitude between his first transformation and his permanent one.

Froome is a mystery. But what speaks for him is that he doesnt do a Horner, Cobo, or LA (winning 3 week races, and then either hide completely or finishing races at spots 143-186). Dont know what he does, but it can be only two things:
a.) he was clean clean before his transfo, and since then dopes inbounds the BP (like any other CG rider does/did since youth). IOW: Froomes transfo looks more wild than those of others, coz he switched from clean to dope in a hurry, while the others were inch by inch more "prepared" the higher they got in the ranks (youth-amateur-pro/dom-pro/captain)
b.) he is on (successful) gene manipulation...

The only thing Horner has on him is age. Horner had a similarly hilarious transformation but at an age where they couldn't even come up with any ideas for mitigating circumstances like they could with Froome, even though some of the mitigating factors that were offered were so poorly thought-out an eight year old could counter them (such as "Froome roomed with Porte, rather than on his own, whereas dopers like Lance roomed alone, therefore Froome wouldn't dope as somebody would see"). The best mitigating factors people could think of for Horner? "Oh, he beat up US domestic pros about 10 years ago and because he was rubbish in Europe the first time he hasn't done as much racing as some people who are younger than him"...

Horner is old-school. Over the top doper. Transfusions, rest, transfusions... The good ol LA program. No mystery at all. The most obvious doper that there is... Ever was. Beats Mosquera, and the Diaz of the world by a good chunk.

Conclusion: Personally I can live with reality. Cheating in top positions is the name of the game. Everywhere. Why shall cycling be the lone exception?
Its bad, but I cant change the world...
As long as Froome & co stay plausible within the bounds (I think Froome of 2013 was a little too much for me to swallow, until I saw what Horner did. Froome looked, in comparison, normal in hindsight), I can enjoy his riding. Especially for the fun of clinic explosions. ...Its cynical I know...
But what I cant stand is plain and simple insults to my brain. I dont like to be spit on like the Horners, Mosqueras do/did. If those dopers go wayyy over the top its just disgusting. Abnormal. Freaky. Grotesque.

 

[The Hitch]

Wait, what's Diaz doing in the Froome thread? Froome does speeds for 1 hour Diaz wouldn't be able to hold for 5 minutes, and does it 6 months at a time whereas Diaz does it and needs 51 weeks to recover.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Wait, what's Diaz doing in the Froome thread? Froome does speeds for 1 hour Diaz wouldn't be able to hold for 5 minutes, and does it 6 months at a time whereas Diaz does it and needs 51 weeks to recover.

Ok, Diaz is a amateur. I guess there is a reason he hasnt landed a big europe contract.

So if Average Joe Diaz steps out there to battle with Quintana, Vuillmeroz, Moreno & Co. and beats them... heck wrong... dominates them, its the most obvious doping there is. Its not about him doing watts like real pros do in best condition, its about Average Joe becoming a real pro for a week...

Like I would step down from the sun once a while to beat O Sullivan in snooker in his off-season, before being a average anonymous player again who battles it out in smoke filled bars around the corner. Yes, thats how absurd San Luis was...

 

[The Hitch]

Cycling is an stamina sport so top riders losing in January when they are furthest from their form and still tired from last season, to riders who are peaking for January, actually makes sense.