Libertine Seguros said:
Unless you look at results in South American cycling, where they still do get results, but mostly feuding with other dopers in races where testing is minimal.
Yep. And then they sign contracts with real pros with two consequences: a.) being caught as a 63-percenter
b.) riding in anonymity for a couple of years before heading back to South America...
Thus it seems the BP is working to some extend.
Libertine Seguros said:
Come on, Foxxy. You know what's what. Don't take us all for idiots. Nobody believes in Horner, and very few believe in Diaz (those that defended him back in the PRR forum likely don't believe he's clean, they just believe that he's not as much of a scrub as you think when you bear in mind the people he's beating are also likely dopers).
Not all, only those (the majority) that explain Horner, Diaz & Co. as plausible. Its beyond me after the million of scandals since 1998.
Libertine Seguros said:
And come on, Froome's initial transformation was stupid. He became a super-strength superstar in a matter of hours (between the San Lorenzo de El Escorial stage and the La Covatilla one), and over the course of that Vuelta he went from being a guy who couldn't sprint to save his life to a guy who was winning bonus second sprints to try to catch back up the time his team had screwed him out of. And then he was super strong at the pan-flat Worlds as a domestique.
And then he got signed to the big money contract he would never have otherwise got. And then he sucked out loud for half a season. He didn't win any CQ points at all in 2012 until he got 5 in early May for the amazing result of not climbing off the bike during the Tour de Romandie. He then suddenly was back to Chris the Destroyer mode in June. Sure, since then he has more or less been Chris the Destroyer permanently, but people seem to forget that six months of utter suckitude between his first transformation and his permanent one.
Froome is a mystery. But what speaks for him is that he doesnt do a Horner, Cobo, or LA (winning 3 week races, and then either hide completely or finishing races at spots 143-186). Dont know what he does, but it can be only two things:
a.) he was clean clean before his transfo, and since then dopes inbounds the BP (like any other CG rider does/did since youth). IOW: Froomes transfo looks more wild than those of others, coz he switched from clean to dope in a hurry, while the others were inch by inch more "prepared" the higher they got in the ranks (youth-amateur-pro/dom-pro/captain)
b.) he is on (successful) gene manipulation...
Libertine Seguros said:
The only thing Horner has on him is age. Horner had a similarly hilarious transformation but at an age where they couldn't even come up with any ideas for mitigating circumstances like they could with Froome, even though some of the mitigating factors that were offered were so poorly thought-out an eight year old could counter them (such as "Froome roomed with Porte, rather than on his own, whereas dopers like Lance roomed alone, therefore Froome wouldn't dope as somebody would see"). The best mitigating factors people could think of for Horner? "Oh, he beat up US domestic pros about 10 years ago and because he was rubbish in Europe the first time he hasn't done as much racing as some people who are younger than him"...
Horner is old-school. Over the top doper. Transfusions, rest, transfusions... The good ol LA program. No mystery at all. The most obvious doper that there is... Ever was. Beats Mosquera, and the Diaz of the world by a good chunk.
Conclusion: Personally I can live with reality. Cheating in top positions is the name of the game. Everywhere. Why shall cycling be the lone exception?
Its bad, but I cant change the world...
As long as Froome & co stay plausible within the bounds (I think Froome of 2013 was a little too much for me to swallow, until I saw what Horner did. Froome looked, in comparison, normal in hindsight), I can enjoy his riding. Especially for the fun of clinic explosions.
...Its cynical I know...
But what I cant stand is plain and simple insults to my brain. I dont like to be spit on like the Horners, Mosqueras do/did. If those dopers go wayyy over the top its just disgusting. Abnormal. Freaky. Grotesque.
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