Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[SeriousSam]

There is clearly variation in responses here. Some, or even most, like your brother, are temporarly weakened. Others, like Froome, are temporarily strengthened and capable to launch 30s full *** accelerations, recover at >6w/kg, and launch another such acceleration... after taking a puff to ward of teh asthma.

 

[frenchfry]

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Let me ask you a question: If he needed it for sport induced asthma problems, what is he doing at the head of the race? Don't know if you've ever had a sports induced asthma attack (I have), but I certainly didn't have the ability to do anything but sit there and gasp when it happened. Froomedog wasn't taking a shot to stop asthma, he was using a *** TUE to enhance his performance...which is what makes his answer to cyclingnews so transparently ridiculous. But carry on with your hero worship, doesn't bother me.

Two thumbs up. My brother has sports-induced asthma and whenever we ride and he gets what he calls "a squeeze" he has to stop, puff up, catch his breath, rest for two minutes or so, and then go.

How Froome is able to puff up and then accelerate like he does is a mystery to my brother and I. And we've been cycling 50+ miles every two days (more or less) for about 20 years now.

Looks like you and your brother are in serious need of some "marginal gains"

 

[TheSpud]

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I look forward to spud etc defending Matthews to the same extent

Wheres the thread?

where's the transformation?

So its only doping if there is a transformation?

 

[The Hitch]

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I look forward to spud etc defending Matthews to the same extent

Wheres the thread?

If you want a thread, create it. Its not anyone elses job to create threads or post in them just because you want them to.

 

[The Hitch]

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I look forward to spud etc defending Matthews to the same extent

Wheres the thread?

where's the transformation?

So its only doping if there is a transformation?

So you admit it is doping to use the inhaler?

 

[TheSpud]

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I look forward to spud etc defending Matthews to the same extent

Wheres the thread?

where's the transformation?

So its only doping if there is a transformation?

So you admit it is doping to use the inhaler?

What I was pointing out was that there was a comment about what Matthews did - someone called it out as possibly suspect, but I don't see the thread and hundreds of posts about it. Why is that? If you think its wrong start a thread about it. And if its not wrong - why? In that case whats wrong with Froome using an inhaler - he didn't try and hide it, in fact he spoke about it publicly afterwards.

 

[TheSpud]

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I look forward to spud etc defending Matthews to the same extent

Wheres the thread?

If you want a thread, create it. Its not anyone elses job to create threads or post in them just because you want them to.

I dont - but there was a comment suggesting i would be supporting Matthews. As that would be off topic here I was asking where the thread was. Maybe THAT poster could start the thread ...

 

[The Hitch]

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Wheres the thread?

where's the transformation?

So its only doping if there is a transformation?

So you admit it is doping to use the inhaler?

What I was pointing out was that there was a comment about what Matthews did - someone called it out as possibly suspect, but I don't see the thread and hundreds of posts about it. Why is that? .

You are right that is a mystery. I honestly have no idea why Michael Matthes would get less attention than someone like Chris Froome. If I had to take a wild guess though I would say that maybe it could have something to do with the fact that Chris Froome is a former Tour de France winner who has over the last few years put in some of the most dominant all round performances, while Michael Matthews is an above average rider with less cq points and wt victories in his entire career than Froome averages a season.

Sarcasm aside, if you can't work understand simple things like- more successful riders get way more attention than less successful riders, well its no surprise someone like you is one of the few remaining people on the planet who has still been unable to put 2 and 2 together with sky, years after everyone else has.

Its like the scene in the Simpsons where all the kids in the room solve a puzzle in a few seconds and Lisa is left as the only one staring at it with no clue how to solve it.

If you think its wrong start a thread about it. And if its not wrong - why? In that case whats wrong with Froome using an inhaler - he didn't try and hide it, in fact he spoke about it publicly afterwards

Huh? No one said it was wrong to start a thread about it. If you want a thread stop whining and go ahead and start it. No one is stopping you.

 

[The Hitch]

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I look forward to spud etc defending Matthews to the same extent

Wheres the thread?

If you want a thread, create it. Its not anyone elses job to create threads or post in them just because you want them to.

I dont - but there was a comment suggesting i would be supporting Matthews. As that would be off topic here I was asking where the thread was. Maybe THAT poster could start the thread ...

Ok. So there is no thread. And everyone is ok with that. Good. I guess we can move on then.

 

[DA_Man]

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There is clearly variation in responses here. Some, or even most, like your brother, are temporarly weakened. Others, like Froome, are temporarily strengthened and capable to launch 30s full *** accelerations, recover at >6w/kg, and launch another such acceleration... after taking a puff to ward of teh asthma.

Watch the Mt Ventoux stage in 2013. I saw Froome take a puff at least twice, once right before his big acceleration and then again once he was clear of Contador.

My brother pointed it out to me. I had no idea he had asthma up to that point. And my brother immediately said "that's not asthma, he just took off right after he used the inhaler". THIS coming from a person who does have asthma (too?).

 

[frenchfry]

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What I was pointing out was that there was a comment about what Matthews did - someone called it out as possibly suspect, but I don't see the thread and hundreds of posts about it. Why is that? If you think its wrong start a thread about it. And if its not wrong - why? In that case whats wrong with Froome using an inhaler - he didn't try and hide it, in fact he spoke about it publicly afterwards.

Maybe he didn't try to hide the fact he had used an inhaler (difficult, as it was caught on camera), but it certainly appeared to me that he was trying to hide it when using it.

 

[sniper]

he 'hid' it in his biography...Spud, did he hide it in his biography, or could it be that he simply isn't asthmatic?

really, he only spoke about the inhaler because he was unexpectedly caught on camera sucking the life out of it.
but he's not stupid. he must have known there was a chance the camera might catch him out.
seems the reward of sucking it was worth the post-race humiliation.

 

[sniper]

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You are right that is a mystery. I honestly have no idea why Michael Matthes would get less attention than someone like Chris Froome. If I had to take a wild guess though I would say that maybe it could have something to do with the fact that Chris Froome is a former Tour de France winner who has over the last few years put in some of the most dominant all round performances, while Michael Matthews is an above average rider with less cq points and wt victories in his entire career than Froome averages a season.

Sarcasm aside, if you can't work understand simple things like- more successful riders get way more attention than less successful riders, well its no surprise someone like you is one of the few remaining people on the planet who has still been unable to put 2 and 2 together with sky, years after everyone else has.

Its like the scene in the Simpsons where all the kids in the room solve a puzzle in a few seconds and Lisa is left as the only one staring at it with no clue how to solve it.

10 chars

 

[Singer01]

I can only assume that the inhaler is a 'crutch' to froome, because if, as stated up thread he needed it he wouldn't have been sitting where he was in the pack. However, if he didn't need it, then it would provide absolutely no physiological benefit whatsoever.

Alternatively maybe he is just really Machiavellian (which I doubt since he comes across as pretty thick).

 

[ray j willings]

So many cloudy medical conditions surround Froome. " its the gas man"
With the Sky organization behind him they make the US Postal set up look like penguins trying to fly

 

[LaFlorecita]

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(which I doubt since he comes across as pretty thick).

This made me laugh

 

[DirtyWorks]

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There is clearly variation in responses here. Some, or even most, like your brother, are temporarly weakened. Others, like Froome, are temporarily strengthened and capable to launch 30s full *** accelerations, recover at >6w/kg, and launch another such acceleration... after taking a puff to ward of teh asthma.

Watch the Mt Ventoux stage in 2013. I saw Froome take a puff at least twice, once right before his big acceleration and then again once he was clear of Contador.

My brother pointed it out to me. I had no idea he had asthma up to that point. And my brother immediately said "that's not asthma, he just took off right after he used the inhaler". THIS coming from a person who does have asthma (too?).

"Asthma" has long been an illness that strikes elite endurance athletes. Lots of them.

CIRC report clearly states in the most boring language possible that TUE abuse is real. 2013's WADA report shows almost 90 urinalysis positives explained by TUEs. This is cycling after all. It only takes a doctor signing a form to get it.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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I'm saying that as a stage winner (I seem to remember he was, please correct me if wrong) he would have been tested. And if he had 'puffed' too much he would be called out (assuming you believe in the testing process) - and if he wasn't called out then it wasn't performance enhancing within the rule book.

The complete failure to acknowledge the UCI was hiding positives kind of kills your momentum here. Any athlete can be "the most tested" and never test positive with the federation hiding positives. And not sanctioning positives was confirmed behaviour in the CIRC report.

 

[ray j willings]

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There is clearly variation in responses here. Some, or even most, like your brother, are temporarly weakened. Others, like Froome, are temporarily strengthened and capable to launch 30s full *** accelerations, recover at >6w/kg, and launch another such acceleration... after taking a puff to ward of teh asthma.

Watch the Mt Ventoux stage in 2013. I saw Froome take a puff at least twice, once right before his big acceleration and then again once he was clear of Contador.

My brother pointed it out to me. I had no idea he had asthma up to that point. And my brother immediately said "that's not asthma, he just took off right after he used the inhaler". THIS coming from a person who does have asthma (too?).

"Asthma" has long been an illness that strikes elite endurance athletes. Lots of them.

CIRC report clearly states in the most boring language possible that TUE abuse is real. 2013's WADA report shows almost 90 urinalysis positives explained by TUEs. This is cycling after all. It only takes a doctor signing a form to get it.

Asthma is higher among athletes than non athletes. There were some tests done that showed that there was no benefit in using a asthma Inhaler http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/bodywork/fitness-coach/Will-An-Inhaler-Enhance-My-Performance-20120806.html

.but what's going inside the inhaler is the point.

 

[DA_Man]

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Asthma is higher among athletes than non athletes. There were some tests done that showed that there was no benefit in using a asthma Inhaler http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/bo ... 20806.html

.but what's going inside the inhaler is the point.

Yes, sports-induced asthma is more prevalent in athletes for obvious reasons. And yes, it's what's inside the inhaler that is being questioned.

Why is it exactly that you're quoting me?

 

[the sceptic]

What's going on? Zorzoli didn't pick up the phone last night?

 

[The Hitch]

Some new illness perhaps. One he's been struggling with his whole life but by pure coincidence forgot to mention in either of his books and any of his interviews.

 

[SeriousSam]

Whatever it is, recovering from it will yield up to 30 additional watts in July.

 

[ray j willings]

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Asthma is higher among athletes than non athletes. There were some tests done that showed that there was no benefit in using a asthma Inhaler http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/bo ... 20806.html

.but what's going inside the inhaler is the point.

Yes, sports-induced asthma is more prevalent in athletes for obvious reasons. And yes, it's what's inside the inhaler that is being questioned.

Why is it exactly that you're quoting me?

I was responding to your post ,,,,chillax

 

[D-Queued]

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Whatever it is, recovering from it will yield up to 30 additional watts in July.

This.

Dave.