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Froome did very well, I am growing more fond of him every day. That special Pinarello worked just fine for him, He must have reconned this stage, twice.
My stance is that Froome did have bilharzia or something similar which caused, in whole or in part, his regression after his promising 2008 and early 2009 with Barloworld (which is, of course, a shady team, however). However, I do not believe that the amount of talent shown pre-bilharzia, and the amount of talent shown from the Vuelta 2011 onwards, match up, and I also struggle to believe the timing of it, that it would clear up so perfectly in time for contract negotiations to reveal this unpolished diamond that turns out to be the greatest natural climbing gift since Herrera... and then strike again shortly after the 2011 season causing him to suck out loud all through 2012 until the Dauphiné, where it got cleared up in time for him to make mincemeat of the whole field and be forced to wait for a guy who transformed just as startlingly.PremierAndrew said:What about the bilharzia? While I don't believe Froome is clean, you can hardly ignore the fact that that had a major effect on his career pre-2011. Then throw in the fact he possibly turned to doping to save his career, and suddenly you've got a massively transformed rider, who is now competing on a level playing field with all the other dopers eg Cobo. Now he's got Contador Nibali and Quintana. Do you honestly believe any of those guys are clean either?
Benotti69 said:We know the sport is corrupt.
Sunny said:Benotti69 said:We know the sport is corrupt.
I'm not Tommy79 but I need to replay to you.
You said it your self, the sport is corrupted. So why is all hate and blame put on Froome?
It would be unfair if every single rider except Froome was clean, but that is probably not the case. If he is cheating, than so is the most of the peloton. So why does it matter if Froome is clean or not? He is the best! The best among other dopers or the best among other clean riders, the fact is that he is the best.
Just admit, Froome is funny as hell. It's like Eddie the Eagle becoming Jens Weisflog.pastronef said:from what I gathered, the problem is not if Froome dopes, but it´s Brailsford´s narrative, Walsh fanboyism, UK fans blindness, Froome sudden 2011 explosion, Sky marginal gains stories
that makes him unbearable to many, while Nibali or Contador who dope like him, but had a more "normal" career progression and are not backed by cycling fans who discovered the wheel in 2012, are more accepted, and cheered.
that´s what sometimes gets me lost, usually on twitter, people cheer for some riders but are anti-doping, and the only thing they say is "oh no fycking Froome again"..
Fearless Greg Lemond said:Just admit, Froome is funny as hell. It's like Eddie the Eagle becoming Jens Weisflog.pastronef said:from what I gathered, the problem is not if Froome dopes, but it´s Brailsford´s narrative, Walsh fanboyism, UK fans blindness, Froome sudden 2011 explosion, Sky marginal gains stories
that makes him unbearable to many, while Nibali or Contador who dope like him, but had a more "normal" career progression and are not backed by cycling fans who discovered the wheel in 2012, are more accepted, and cheered.
that´s what sometimes gets me lost, usually on twitter, people cheer for some riders but are anti-doping, and the only thing they say is "oh no fycking Froome again"..
Fearless Greg Lemond said:Just admit, Froome is funny as hell. It's like Eddie the Eagle becoming Jens Weisflog.pastronef said:from what I gathered, the problem is not if Froome dopes, but it´s Brailsford´s narrative, Walsh fanboyism, UK fans blindness, Froome sudden 2011 explosion, Sky marginal gains stories
that makes him unbearable to many, while Nibali or Contador who dope like him, but had a more "normal" career progression and are not backed by cycling fans who discovered the wheel in 2012, are more accepted, and cheered.
that´s what sometimes gets me lost, usually on twitter, people cheer for some riders but are anti-doping, and the only thing they say is "oh no fycking Froome again"..
Fearless Greg Lemond said:Just admit, Froome is funny as hell. It's like Eddie the Eagle becoming Jens Weisflog.pastronef said:from what I gathered, the problem is not if Froome dopes, but it´s Brailsford´s narrative, Walsh fanboyism, UK fans blindness, Froome sudden 2011 explosion, Sky marginal gains stories
that makes him unbearable to many, while Nibali or Contador who dope like him, but had a more "normal" career progression and are not backed by cycling fans who discovered the wheel in 2012, are more accepted, and cheered.
that´s what sometimes gets me lost, usually on twitter, people cheer for some riders but are anti-doping, and the only thing they say is "oh no fycking Froome again"..
Sunny said:Benotti69 said:We know the sport is corrupt.
I'm not Tommy79 but I need to replay to you.
You said it your self, the sport is corrupted. So why is all hate and blame put on Froome?
It would be unfair if every single rider except Froome was clean, but that is probably not the case. If he is cheating, than so is the most of the peloton. So why does it matter if Froome is clean or not? He is the best! The best among other dopers or the best among other clean riders, the fact is that he is the best.
pastronef said:Fearless Greg Lemond said:Just admit, Froome is funny as hell. It's like Eddie the Eagle becoming Jens Weisflog.pastronef said:from what I gathered, the problem is not if Froome dopes, but it´s Brailsford´s narrative, Walsh fanboyism, UK fans blindness, Froome sudden 2011 explosion, Sky marginal gains stories
that makes him unbearable to many, while Nibali or Contador who dope like him, but had a more "normal" career progression and are not backed by cycling fans who discovered the wheel in 2012, are more accepted, and cheered.
that´s what sometimes gets me lost, usually on twitter, people cheer for some riders but are anti-doping, and the only thing they say is "oh no fycking Froome again"..
I don´t have a clue about who they are![]()
pastronef said:Sunny said:Benotti69 said:We know the sport is corrupt.
I'm not Tommy79 but I need to replay to you.
You said it your self, the sport is corrupted. So why is all hate and blame put on Froome?
It would be unfair if every single rider except Froome was clean, but that is probably not the case. If he is cheating, than so is the most of the peloton. So why does it matter if Froome is clean or not? He is the best! The best among other dopers or the best among other clean riders, the fact is that he is the best.
from what I gathered, the problem is not if Froome dopes, but it´s Brailsford´s narrative, Walsh fanboyism, UK fans blindness, Froome sudden 2011 explosion, Sky marginal gains stories
that makes him unbearable to many, while Nibali or Contador who dope like him, but had a more "normal" career progression and are not backed by cycling fans who discovered the wheel in 2012, are more accepted, and cheered.
that´s what sometimes gets me lost, usually on twitter, people cheer for some riders but are anti-doping, and the only thing they say is "oh no fycking Froome again"..
Benotti69 said:Sunny said:Benotti69 said:We know the sport is corrupt.
I'm not Tommy79 but I need to replay to you.
You said it your self, the sport is corrupted. So why is all hate and blame put on Froome?
It would be unfair if every single rider except Froome was clean, but that is probably not the case. If he is cheating, than so is the most of the peloton. So why does it matter if Froome is clean or not? He is the best! The best among other dopers or the best among other clean riders, the fact is that he is the best.
Oh I spread it around. It aint 'hate' though.
Froome is the current biggest donkey to racehorse story in the sport so he gets the majority of 'criticism' not 'hate'.
Yes most if not all the peloton is cheating!
We dont know if he is the best!
He may be taking more PEDS than the rest!
He may be the best responder!
He may have failed all his tests but UCI wont ban him!
We dont know what dope everyone is on!
We had the same BS arguments for Armstrong and we know how that ended![]()
pastronef said:Benotti69 said:Sunny said:Benotti69 said:We know the sport is corrupt.
I'm not Tommy79 but I need to replay to you.
You said it your self, the sport is corrupted. So why is all hate and blame put on Froome?
It would be unfair if every single rider except Froome was clean, but that is probably not the case. If he is cheating, than so is the most of the peloton. So why does it matter if Froome is clean or not? He is the best! The best among other dopers or the best among other clean riders, the fact is that he is the best.
Oh I spread it around. It aint 'hate' though.
Froome is the current biggest donkey to racehorse story in the sport so he gets the majority of 'criticism' not 'hate'.
Yes most if not all the peloton is cheating!
We dont know if he is the best!
He may be taking more PEDS than the rest!
He may be the best responder!
He may have failed all his tests but UCI wont ban him!
We dont know what dope everyone is on!
We had the same BS arguments for Armstrong and we know how that ended![]()
maybe what Sunny was trying to say, it the level of criticism directed to him
just go read the comments about when the katusha rider swerves and froome holds it with a wheel almost on the curbs.
it was Froome´s fault straight away, it was his elbows fault. immediately. oh if he did not ride in that position the katusha rider would not have touched him etc etc, with people almost disappointed he did not fall
it´s this that´s strange. this sheer pointing at him.
maximus_hoggus on twitter saying Froome doing naturally well for his 63 kg on the cobbles, while Quintana weights 59 I guess, and Nibali maybe 65 and did good as him today, and better than him last year
Benotti69 said:pastronef said:Benotti69 said:Sunny said:Benotti69 said:We know the sport is corrupt.
I'm not Tommy79 but I need to replay to you.
You said it your self, the sport is corrupted. So why is all hate and blame put on Froome?
It would be unfair if every single rider except Froome was clean, but that is probably not the case. If he is cheating, than so is the most of the peloton. So why does it matter if Froome is clean or not? He is the best! The best among other dopers or the best among other clean riders, the fact is that he is the best.
Oh I spread it around. It aint 'hate' though.
Froome is the current biggest donkey to racehorse story in the sport so he gets the majority of 'criticism' not 'hate'.
Yes most if not all the peloton is cheating!
We dont know if he is the best!
He may be taking more PEDS than the rest!
He may be the best responder!
He may have failed all his tests but UCI wont ban him!
We dont know what dope everyone is on!
We had the same BS arguments for Armstrong and we know how that ended![]()
maybe what Sunny was trying to say, it the level of criticism directed to him
just go read the comments about when the katusha rider swerves and froome holds it with a wheel almost on the curbs.
it was Froome´s fault straight away, it was his elbows fault. immediately. oh if he did not ride in that position the katusha rider would not have touched him etc etc, with people almost disappointed he did not fall
it´s this that´s strange. this sheer pointing at him.
maximus_hoggus on twitter saying Froome doing naturally well for his 63 kg on the cobbles, while Quintana weights 59 I guess, and Nibali maybe 65 and did good as him today, and better than him last year
I doubt anyone thinks Froome looks like a natural on a bike!!
He did well today, but he still looks crap and unnatural on a bike.
As for the criticism from English speakers will be directed towards Anglo saxon riders. I bet Spanish forums take sides against various riders depending who they favour.
This is an English written forum.
Sure, and other riders with bizarre, even ugly styles have been good climbers over the years - Fernando Escartín, Francisco Mancebo, Juan Mauricio Soler - but one of the issues with those "unorthodox" styles is that a lot of the "classical" styles are so effective because they're the most effective ways of changing up and down pace fluidly, enabling energy to not be wasted and resulting in less effort being expended. Quintana, for example, is aided by his general poker-faced expressionlessness, but when he changes up and down the tempo it looks effortless, fluid and graceful, no wasted energy. Froome even more so than those mentioned above, owing to his crazy high-cadence seated attacking and legs akimbo style (notwithstanding that none of them posted results of his level either), looks highly inefficient and wasteful of energy. Which makes his dominance even more egregious, because you then imagine, how good could he be if he wasn't wasting all this surplus power on his crawling-over-the-bike technique? And he time trials like a spider with its front legs raised, yet is almost able to match the world's best when he's on form - how good could he be if he had the almost perfect TT position of Martin? At least with Wiggins, when he was stomping the TTs, you could see why - he had a perfect flat back, minimal frontal area, absolutely no upper body movement. When Froome TTs up there with the specialists, it's hard to compute - how does he put that much power out while riding in such an efficient position?Supimilian said:Sometimes being a werido is a good thing. Plenty of riders with a godly style that never won anything, much less the big one. It's obviously quite effective.
Supimilian said:Benotti69 said:pastronef said:Benotti69 said:Sunny said:[
I'm not Tommy79 but I need to replay to you.
You said it your self, the sport is corrupted. So why is all hate and blame put on Froome?
It would be unfair if every single rider except Froome was clean, but that is probably not the case. If he is cheating, than so is the most of the peloton. So why does it matter if Froome is clean or not? He is the best! The best among other dopers or the best among other clean riders, the fact is that he is the best.
Oh I spread it around. It aint 'hate' though.
Froome is the current biggest donkey to racehorse story in the sport so he gets the majority of 'criticism' not 'hate'.
Yes most if not all the peloton is cheating!
We dont know if he is the best!
He may be taking more PEDS than the rest!
He may be the best responder!
He may have failed all his tests but UCI wont ban him!
We dont know what dope everyone is on!
We had the same BS arguments for Armstrong and we know how that ended![]()
maybe what Sunny was trying to say, it the level of criticism directed to him
just go read the comments about when the katusha rider swerves and froome holds it with a wheel almost on the curbs.
it was Froome´s fault straight away, it was his elbows fault. immediately. oh if he did not ride in that position the katusha rider would not have touched him etc etc, with people almost disappointed he did not fall
it´s this that´s strange. this sheer pointing at him.
maximus_hoggus on twitter saying Froome doing naturally well for his 63 kg on the cobbles, while Quintana weights 59 I guess, and Nibali maybe 65 and did good as him today, and better than him last year
I doubt anyone thinks Froome looks like a natural on a bike!!
He did well today, but he still looks crap and unnatural on a bike.
As for the criticism from English speakers will be directed towards Anglo saxon riders. I bet Spanish forums take sides against various riders depending who they favour.
This is an English written forum.
Sometimes being a werido is a good thing. Plenty of riders with a godly style that never won anything, much less the big one. It's obviously quite effective.
SeriousSam said:Yeah that's one of the key reasons I cannot help but continue to point at Froome. Even if I wanted to suspend disbelief, even if I wanted to stick my head into the sand and pretend that cycling is clean, Froome's participation in races makes it impossible. His absurd power advantage while having none of the characteristics that make his dominance even remotely plausible, is grating. It's almost a mockery.
the sceptic said:Froome is a sick joke played on cycling fans. People who have put up with so much doping over the years, then this walking medical experiment shows up and does one thing more unbelievable after the next.
It's simply not fair that this guy who if not for Lars Petter Nordhaug getting sick probably wouldn't even be in procycling anymore is now starting to look like the next Merckx.
And don't even get me started on the british media.
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Benotti69 said:pastronef said:Sunny said:Benotti69 said:We know the sport is corrupt.
I'm not Tommy79 but I need to replay to you.
You said it your self, the sport is corrupted. So why is all hate and blame put on Froome?
It would be unfair if every single rider except Froome was clean, but that is probably not the case. If he is cheating, than so is the most of the peloton. So why does it matter if Froome is clean or not? He is the best! The best among other dopers or the best among other clean riders, the fact is that he is the best.
from what I gathered, the problem is not if Froome dopes, but it´s Brailsford´s narrative, Walsh fanboyism, UK fans blindness, Froome sudden 2011 explosion, Sky marginal gains stories
that makes him unbearable to many, while Nibali or Contador who dope like him, but had a more "normal" career progression and are not backed by cycling fans who discovered the wheel in 2012, are more accepted, and cheered.
that´s what sometimes gets me lost, usually on twitter, people cheer for some riders but are anti-doping, and the only thing they say is "oh no fycking Froome again"..
Contador has a long thread in here, but 99% of Contador's fans reckon he dopes. Same for Nibali. The Skyfans actually believe the BS from Sky that they are clean. The Sky threads are full of examples of Sky's lies, but they ignore that. Their contribution to Sky threads keeps the thread ticking over. That most Sky fans are newcomers to the sport and dont appear to have done any research into the sport but take the word of Sky as truth is another reason for what appears as vitriol towards Froome.