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Don't be late Pedro said:
Cycling is like watching the Wizard of Oz as a kid...
When the curtain is finally lifted and you see it's really just some guy (Ferrari, Puerto, take your pick) pulling all the levers it loses its magic somewhat.
Yes indeed and today was like watching a replay of the Armstrong Years.
Nice to see Contador trying to get Rogers back on at least but the TV hardly drew my attention off the Sunday Newspaper.
I think if I go to France this July I won't bother following the Tour
 
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roundabout said:
30 seconds. The rest lost a minute and a half.
Merci. Wasnt enormous, the time difference, the Transformation of course was.

airstream said:
Omg, some of you are so extremely knowledgeable on what Zulle rode the 1999 Tour...
Hey, a baiting post, lets ignore that one.
Now we need a poll, which was better as a comedic value hautacam 96 or sestrieres 99?
Hautacam was ridicoulous, but what about Sestriere 1996?

Vaughters came in here yesterday thinking Froome could do a sub '39 on the Alpe, and he is okay with that. That is bad. The best climbers pre-O2vector stuff couldnt even benchmark 42 minutes I believe.
 
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Don't be late Pedro said:
Keep digging Galic. Your original statement is telling no matter how much you try and dig ourself out of it.

It only a matter of a few posts before you lose your temper. That is your usual MO. Be most ironic if it was roid rage?

Arggghhh.

Why are you here? Don't you love your Froome dawg?

Let's face it, you have no answer. So you deflect and avoid the points. Sounds like routine when people are out of their depth.

For the record, thehog would make a better UCI president than anyone you or GB could ever hope to pull out of the bag. And yes, it'd make you mad, because your boys would be done.

Enjoy the show whilst you can Pedro. It's going to end. There are only so many people who buy this crap champ.

Heck take SBS in Australia for example. Dave McKenzie, a former pro was practically calling Froome and Porte dopers last night. Said they reminded him of Postal and Armstrong. Need a refresher on what happened to them? I wonder what he said tonight?

FWIW none of the people calling Sky out are mad. Well not as mad as you're going to be when the proverbial hits the fan.
 
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Sestriere wasnt that good, a clean Zulle on what, 17 seconds or so?

Clean Zulle with a questionmark of course.
Cleanish the word.

It still referred to as the WOW moment though.

The TT was the big one with Armstrong when he caught Olano who was world champion at the time.

Have a feeling we will be talking about AX3 Domaines 2013 for years to come in similar fashion to the ones above.
 
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Galic Ho said:
Arggghhh.

Why are you here? Don't you love your Froome dawg?

Let's face it, you have no answer. So you deflect and avoid the points. Sounds like routine when people are out of their depth.

For the record, thehog would make a better UCI president than anyone you or GB could ever hope to pull out of the bag. And yes, it'd make you mad, because your boys would be done.

Enjoy the show whilst you can Pedro. It's going to end. PS, nobody ever votes for Pedro!:p
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Merci. Wasnt enormous, the time difference, the Transformation of course was.

Hey, a baiting post, lets ignore that one.Hautacam was ridicoulous, but what about Sestriere 1996?

Vaughters came in here yesterday thinking Froome could do a sub '39 on the Alpe, and he is okay with that. That is bad. The best climbers pre-O2vector stuff couldnt even benchmark 42 minutes I believe.

They did mid 41 minutes at best. Lemond and Fignon. Only Luis Herrera went faster. Nobody goes under 41 clean. Nobody. You crack 40, you're in extraterrestrial territory. Big league UBER doping.
 
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Can't wait for the movie about Froome. It will be like 'Cool Runnings' but this time it ends with a win. I mean the Jamaican bobsleigh team didn't have the facilities to practice and train and Froome was in the same boat, no roads or bikes for him to follow his dream........... You know how the movie goes.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
This post from FGL is pretty useful -

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1210835&postcount=1249

You can even choose to ignore the editorializing if you so wish, though it's all very reasonable. Sources are pulled together from Team Sky's official bulletins, velonews, bicycling and velonation, and show the contradictions in the official timeline about where bilharzia was discussed, mentioned, and diagnosed.

I wouldn't say it was a contradiction rather he was simplifying what the Bilharzia was. Understandable imo

Maybe some time I will make a timeline of the Bilharzia and how it developed which will hopefully clear things up.

I don't see the other discrepancy between the Tour de Suisse treatment or the ATOC treatment either. The treatment could have taken place after Cali and Suisse, there was no time lapse specified.
 
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Galic Ho said:
They did mid 41 minutes at best. Lemond and Fignon. Only Luis Herrera went faster. Nobody goes under 41 clean. Nobody. You crack 40, you're in extraterrestrial territory. Big league UBER doping.
Breukink 1990 [PMD/probably EPO] did it in 40 minutes. He is know here in Holland as Lucho ;)

Stop the bickering folks, Galic/Pedro, thats BS.
 
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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Breukink 1990 [PMD/probably EPO] did it in 40 minutes. He is know here in Holland as Lucho ;)

Stop the bickering folks, Galic/Pedro, thats BS.

Erik Breukink went that fast? Hahahaha. Did not know that. How low into the 40 minute range did he go? Herrera went there from memory as well. Once and he was a climbing maestro.

But take Evans last two times up Alpe d'Huez in 08 and 11. Almost the same roughly as Lemond did.

It puts what Sastre did into perspective versus the rest of the peloton. Then we have JV saying Froome willl get close to 39 minutes. That is almost Landis territory from 06. Heck JV was alluding to Sastre being clean! Please...extra blood bag. Kohl said if he'd have gotten another one he'd have won the Tour.

The only relieve one can take from Froome and Porte today is that Contador was helping Rogers. Man did he blow out! Good to see Valverde, Moreno and Purito together. Throw in Contador and I can see some nice bluffing. Porte can't cover all 4 of them in the Tour. Nor can Froome.

Tour will be interesting.
 
Froome19 said:
I wouldn't say it was a contradiction rather he was simplifying what the Bilharzia was. Understandable imo

Maybe some time I will make a timeline of the Bilharzia and how it developed which will hopefully clear things up.

I don't see the other discrepancy between the Tour de Suisse treatment or the ATOC treatment either. The treatment could have taken place after Cali and Suisse, there was no time lapse specified.
There is a discrepancy on the diagnosis. Julich advises they tested for it after California, found he had it, then it was treated (which, yes, could have been after Suisse). Froome himself advises he found out he had it in December 2010. Also, with regards to the chest infection line, Bilharzia/Schistosomiasis is not a chest infection. Not even close. Now, he may have been more susceptible to chest infections as a result of the bilharzia, but it's not like having had the disease is some kind of big secret he needed to hide from the rest of the péloton.

It's not like a training technique that works really well, that the team might want to avoid letting others know about lest they copy it and the team lose their competitive advantage. If it had been diagnosed back in December 2010 as Froome says, then surely you would expect there to have been some mention of it between December 2010 and August 2011 - especially as he points out that he "re-did" the treatment after the Tour de Suisse, suggesting he had already had some kind of treatment for it. This would then be the only way that you could square up Froome's December 2010 timeline with Julich's May 2011 timeline (with the initial treatment being after Froome's date of December 2010, but then another recurrence of the disease probably in May 2011 to allow for the better Romandie performance probably being comparatively healthy, resulting in them testing for it again, finding it and treating it in June 2011), but then would make it surprising that this wasn't known about or mentioned at all until the guy turned into Johann Mühlegg on a bike on August 28, 2011.

Even then, though, it is reliant on us buying that the difference between "autobus fodder" Froome and "Bjarndo Riiscò" Froome is nothing more than the difference between "suffering from bilharzia" Froome and "not suffering from bilharzia" Froome. Because of how raw Froome was in 2008-9, we never saw anything even approximating the kind of talent level that could justify such a transformation. Sorry, we didn't, unless you're prepared to buy Johan van Summeren, GT podium contender, or Alessandro Bertuola, GT winner.
 
airstream said:
Prestigious races gotta be watched not because of the fact of prestigousness. They just reflect all epicness of the sport and give the most memorable impressions and anticipations.

And today I'm admire Sky team work and Froome personally. It was fabulous.



Omg, some of you are so extremely knowledgeable on what Zulle rode the 1999 Tour...

This coming from someone who stated they didn't like to see one rider or team dominate. It's "fabulous" as long as it isn't a rider that you abhor.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
Even then, though, it is reliant on us buying that the difference between "autobus fodder" Froome and "Bjarndo Riiscò" Froome is nothing more than the difference between "suffering from bilharzia" Froome and "not suffering from bilharzia" Froome. Because of how raw Froome was in 2008-9, we never saw anything even approximating the kind of talent level that could justify such a transformation. Sorry, we didn't, unless you're prepared to buy Johan van Summeren, GT podium contender, or Alessandro Bertuola, GT winner.

I have no clue, if the bolded is a reasonable hypothesis medically, but isn't it possible that Froome had this disease for years prior to his metamorphosis, meaning that even in 2008/09 he was already suffering from it?
 
spalco said:
I have no clue, if the bolded is a reasonable hypothesis medically, but isn't it possible that Froome had this disease for years prior to his metamorphosis, meaning that even in 2008/09 he was already suffering from it?

Suffering?

You mean he had a parasite disease, didn't even know it and was able to finish both Tour and Giro? (2008, 09)

Seriously?

You mean this disease was only bad enough to put him middle of the pack. But when cured of it he goes from middle of the pack to 4 minutes ahead of it and faster than Contador?

Man this disease is cool.
 
spalco said:
No clue, I know very nearly nothing about Bilharzia, do you? Basically I'm speculating, as is everyone else here. Anyone know a doctor you could ask about this?

I know you have no clue.

But you're a smart guy.

Do you really think he would have finished the Tour and Giro with the disease once you read the symptoms?

http://www.nhsdirect.wales.nhs.uk/encyclopaedia/s/article/schistosomiasis(bilharzia)/

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...ware-bilharzia-lurks-in-the-lake-1596424.html
 

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Ripper said:
Wow, you've turned into a simple troll. Every now and again you have a good one, but overwhelmingly it seems like entry level work.

Do you find yourself witty? Rather you show how you are ridiculous. My opinion is handled by posters I need it to be taken. Gonna hate Froome further? Good luck with that. But it doesn't give you positive emotions.