Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[wendybnt]

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In any case this only goes to show what a world of hypocrisy there is in this sport. And the doping is perhaps the least significant matter. What I can't put down, however, is when a certain hypocrisy tries to take us all for fools; as in we don't know Froome's weight, when uberfastidious Brailsford had journalists at the Giro gel wash their hands before interviewing him. What a world.

Agree on all the above. It is riven with hypocrisy at all levels. On the one level you have Brailsford and the hypocritically conceived ZTP, which is further hypocritical when enacted in order not to appear hypocritical. Then you have cheats like Jalabert hypocritically accusing Sky of cheating.

At least you have people like Sean Kelly and Robert Millar for the most part refusing to be hypocritical in their commentary, whilst not being entirely candid.

 

[Tommy79]

Interesting to see that Froome has put a total on 1 minute 16 seconds into Quintana on climbs so far. Makes a bit of a mockery of all the claims he is ridiculously dominant. I would guess that a Contador in any kind of form would be right up there with him.

 

[wendybnt]

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if we know he is lying, is he really lying to us?

Whoa....deeep!

Yes, it is still lying, and the most generous interpretation of it would be that he doesn't want to give away anything that could be used to help competitors understand Froome's capabilities and limitations. More likely is that he doesn't want to give out any information that could help firm up the calculations of Froome's watts/kg and contribute to the doping debate, regardless of whether Froome is clean or not, but of course if he isn't Brailsford has another reason for not risking it.

 

[red_flanders]

So I'm a little confused about this episode, having not heard Jalabert's comments directly. The English-speaking media is full of articles about Froome's response to Jalabert's, but this to invisible on Jalabet's actual statements. That in and of itself is illuminating.

So can we get this straight? Cyclingnews had the only summary which made sense to me, but if anyone has a link to a real translation of the original comments I would like to see it. Cyclingnews:

After stage 10, Jalabert said on RTL Radio: “It’s surreal to see just how superior Froome is, with that super astonishing style, turning the legs at a phenomenal rate on gradients touching 15%. We all saw them explode one after the other, like popcorn, with time losses verging on the ridiculous in some cases. Nibali, the defending champion, lost more than four minutes.”

On Sunday, ITV’s Matt Rendell caught Jalabert before the race to ask about those comments. Jalabert said he had no comments to make.

When Rendell said that he had made “some pretty strong insinuations”, the Frenchman replied, “No, it’s not true. It’s the press that’s trying to stir things up. .... I haven’t said that: ‘verging on the ridiculous’. I’ve never said that.”

So,that reads like Jalabert's is denying a very particular statement. Is that accurate? If not, more color? If it's accurate, this reaction by Froome and the attendant media outlets seems somewhat misplaced. Can we get the facts straight before opening on this episode?

 

[wendybnt]

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Interesting to see that Froome has put a total on 1 minute 16 seconds into Quintana on climbs so far. Makes a bit of a mockery of all the claims he is ridiculously dominant. I would guess that a Contador in any kind of form would be right up there with him.

I have to say I agree with this. I don't think Froome has been ridiculously dominant so far, and it isn't the performances in themselves that make me uncomfortable, it is that they are being performed by Froome. I just don't think he should be up there.

 

[red_flanders]

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Interesting to see that Froome has put a total on 1 minute 16 seconds into Quintana on climbs so far. Makes a bit of a mockery of all the claims he is ridiculously dominant. I would guess that a Contador in any kind of form would be right up there with him.

It's not just the lead, it's the speed of the climbs. The Maillot Jaune always gets more criticism. Always. Goes with the territory.

 

[wendybnt]

So I'm a little confused about this episode, having not heard Jalabert's comments directly. The English-speaking media is full of articles about Froome's response to Jalabert's, but this to invisible on Jalabet's actual statements. That in and of itself is illuminating.

So can we get this straight? Cyclingnews had the only summary which made sense to me, but if anyone has a link to a real translation of the original comments I would like to see it. Cyclingnews:

After stage 10, Jalabert said on RTL Radio: “It’s surreal to see just how superior Froome is, with that super astonishing style, turning the legs at a phenomenal rate on gradients touching 15%. We all saw them explode one after the other, like popcorn, with time losses verging on the ridiculous in some cases. Nibali, the defending champion, lost more than four minutes.”

On Sunday, ITV’s Matt Rendell caught Jalabert before the race to ask about those comments. Jalabert said he had no comments to make.

When Rendell said that he had made “some pretty strong insinuations”, the Frenchman replied, “No, it’s not true. It’s the press that’s trying to stir things up. .... I haven’t said that: ‘verging on the ridiculous’. I’ve never said that.”

So,that reads like Jalabert's is denying a very particular statement. Is that accurate? If not, more color? If it's accurate, this reaction by Froome and the attendant media outlets seems somewhat misplaced. Can we get the facts straight before opening on this episode?

Watch and judge it for yourself:

https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/tour-de-france

 

[bigcog]

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Interesting to see that Froome has put a total on 1 minute 16 seconds into Quintana on climbs so far. Makes a bit of a mockery of all the claims he is ridiculously dominant. I would guess that a Contador in any kind of form would be right up there with him.

It's not just the lead, it's the speed of the climbs. The Maillot Jaune always gets more criticism. Always. Goes with the territory.

Don't remember Nibali getting this sort of criticism last year when in yellow, despite actually bettering Froome's figures according to the power "experts". What's happened, collective amnesia ?

 

[Tommy79]

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Interesting to see that Froome has put a total on 1 minute 16 seconds into Quintana on climbs so far. Makes a bit of a mockery of all the claims he is ridiculously dominant. I would guess that a Contador in any kind of form would be right up there with him.

It's not just the lead, it's the speed of the climbs. The Maillot Jaune always gets more criticism. Always. Goes with the territory.

People should be less surprised when the guy in yellow is the fastest....

Is surprising how many guys have turned up rubbish this year (compared to where they normally are vs Valverde as a reliable barometer).

 

[gazr99]

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Interesting to see that Froome has put a total on 1 minute 16 seconds into Quintana on climbs so far. Makes a bit of a mockery of all the claims he is ridiculously dominant. I would guess that a Contador in any kind of form would be right up there with him.

I agree and the majority of that is from the La Pierre Saint Martin climb plus time bonuses. Unlike 2012 I don't think the Sky train has been as obvious on the climbs either. It's normally just Porte & Thomas supporting Froome plus 1 other if lucky and always the same number of riders as Movistar

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Interesting to see that Froome has put a total on 1 minute 16 seconds into Quintana on climbs so far. Makes a bit of a mockery of all the claims he is ridiculously dominant. I would guess that a Contador in any kind of form would be right up there with him.

I agree and the majority of that is from the La Pierre Saint Martin climb plus time bonuses. Unlike 2012 I don't think the Sky train has been as obvious on the climbs either. It's normally just Porte & Thomas supporting Froome plus 1 other if lucky and always the same number of riders as Movistar

Yeah funny how Mick Rogers went from career best weight and power::weight to ... well how would you describe the dodger a scant couple of years later?

Same with Wiggo.

No wonder the train is not there, the riders have moved on to obscurity.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

All that has happened here is that Jalabert made some statements that clearly indicated skepticism regarding Froome, there was some backlash, and a guy who hasn't shown the guts to admit his own obvious and proven doping decided to backtrack, and pretend he didn't say what it was clear he was inferring. It's news that Jalabert has no backbone? To whom?

Then, instead of addressing the fact that Froome is dodgy as f*(k, some in the UK media decided attacking the easy target was the best course. It really is the same sh!t we saw from the US media in regards to Armstrong.

None of this of course actually counters the observations of Jalabert, it just frames him as the hypocrite he is. It's a lazy form of nationalistic journalism that should be expected in society today. SSDD.

 

[zigmeister]

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Interesting to see that Froome has put a total on 1 minute 16 seconds into Quintana on climbs so far. Makes a bit of a mockery of all the claims he is ridiculously dominant. I would guess that a Contador in any kind of form would be right up there with him.

I've been saying this for awhile. Quintana has been attacking the group, going up the road, sticking with Froome nearly the entire time..and still very close, 2nd place.

Yet, when Froome does this, or leaves people behind....WAIT A MINUTE, DOPER!!!!

Quintana not questioned for 1 second around the pelotoon and media...and the clinic.

 

[Tommy79]

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Interesting to see that Froome has put a total on 1 minute 16 seconds into Quintana on climbs so far. Makes a bit of a mockery of all the claims he is ridiculously dominant. I would guess that a Contador in any kind of form would be right up there with him.

I've been saying this for awhile. Quintana has been attacking the group, going up the road, sticking with Froome nearly the entire time..and still very close, 2nd place.

Yet, when Froome does this, or leaves people behind....WAIT A MINUTE, DOPER!!!!

Quintana not questioned for 1 second around the pelotoon and media...and the clinic.

I think the most who think Froome is doping think the same about Quintana because (and this is really damning) he goes home a lot. But not so many people can be bothered to argue.

 

[Pierrot le Fou]

So I'm a little confused about this episode, having not heard Jalabert's comments directly. The English-speaking media is full of articles about Froome's response to Jalabert's, but this to invisible on Jalabet's actual statements. That in and of itself is illuminating.

So can we get this straight? Cyclingnews had the only summary which made sense to me, but if anyone has a link to a real translation of the original comments I would like to see it. Cyclingnews:

After stage 10, Jalabert said on RTL Radio: “It’s surreal to see just how superior Froome is, with that super astonishing style, turning the legs at a phenomenal rate on gradients touching 15%. We all saw them explode one after the other, like popcorn, with time losses verging on the ridiculous in some cases. Nibali, the defending champion, lost more than four minutes.”

On Sunday, ITV’s Matt Rendell caught Jalabert before the race to ask about those comments. Jalabert said he had no comments to make.

When Rendell said that he had made “some pretty strong insinuations”, the Frenchman replied, “No, it’s not true. It’s the press that’s trying to stir things up. .... I haven’t said that: ‘verging on the ridiculous’. I’ve never said that.”

So,that reads like Jalabert's is denying a very particular statement. Is that accurate? If not, more color? If it's accurate, this reaction by Froome and the attendant media outlets seems somewhat misplaced. Can we get the facts straight before opening on this episode?

Yep, he only took exception to the phrase 'verging on the ridiculous' which he denied using. He actually had said it but not in reference to Froome, but rather talking about the time losses of Nibali etc. It was basically a case of doorstepping and Jalabert has become the easy target for those trying to shift the focus. It's a bit like the jingoistic debate that Walsh and co are trying to stir up to change the narrative, ignoring the fact that Froome is being questioned by people from all over the world, not just France.

 

[red_flanders]

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Interesting to see that Froome has put a total on 1 minute 16 seconds into Quintana on climbs so far. Makes a bit of a mockery of all the claims he is ridiculously dominant. I would guess that a Contador in any kind of form would be right up there with him.

It's not just the lead, it's the speed of the climbs. The Maillot Jaune always gets more criticism. Always. Goes with the territory.

Don't remember Nibali getting this sort of criticism last year when in yellow, despite actually bettering Froome's figures according to the power "experts". What's happened, collective amnesia ?

Strange, I recall all kinds of commentary, though he did not in fact better Froome's performances. Is your argument that somehow Froome is being singled out? What is the collective motivation?

 

[red_flanders]

So I'm a little confused about this episode, having not heard Jalabert's comments directly. The English-speaking media is full of articles about Froome's response to Jalabert's, but this to invisible on Jalabet's actual statements. That in and of itself is illuminating.

So can we get this straight? Cyclingnews had the only summary which made sense to me, but if anyone has a link to a real translation of the original comments I would like to see it. Cyclingnews:

After stage 10, Jalabert said on RTL Radio: “It’s surreal to see just how superior Froome is, with that super astonishing style, turning the legs at a phenomenal rate on gradients touching 15%. We all saw them explode one after the other, like popcorn, with time losses verging on the ridiculous in some cases. Nibali, the defending champion, lost more than four minutes.”

On Sunday, ITV’s Matt Rendell caught Jalabert before the race to ask about those comments. Jalabert said he had no comments to make.

When Rendell said that he had made “some pretty strong insinuations”, the Frenchman replied, “No, it’s not true. It’s the press that’s trying to stir things up. .... I haven’t said that: ‘verging on the ridiculous’. I’ve never said that.”

So,that reads like Jalabert's is denying a very particular statement. Is that accurate? If not, more color? If it's accurate, this reaction by Froome and the attendant media outlets seems somewhat misplaced. Can we get the facts straight before opening on this episode?

Watch and judge it for yourself:

https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/tour-de-france

Requires a player which I can't access in the U.S. Anyone have a web link? Thx.

 

[Tommy79]

So I'm a little confused about this episode, having not heard Jalabert's comments directly. The English-speaking media is full of articles about Froome's response to Jalabert's, but this to invisible on Jalabet's actual statements. That in and of itself is illuminating.

So can we get this straight? Cyclingnews had the only summary which made sense to me, but if anyone has a link to a real translation of the original comments I would like to see it. Cyclingnews:

After stage 10, Jalabert said on RTL Radio: “It’s surreal to see just how superior Froome is, with that super astonishing style, turning the legs at a phenomenal rate on gradients touching 15%. We all saw them explode one after the other, like popcorn, with time losses verging on the ridiculous in some cases. Nibali, the defending champion, lost more than four minutes.”

On Sunday, ITV’s Matt Rendell caught Jalabert before the race to ask about those comments. Jalabert said he had no comments to make.

When Rendell said that he had made “some pretty strong insinuations”, the Frenchman replied, “No, it’s not true. It’s the press that’s trying to stir things up. .... I haven’t said that: ‘verging on the ridiculous’. I’ve never said that.”

So,that reads like Jalabert's is denying a very particular statement. Is that accurate? If not, more color? If it's accurate, this reaction by Froome and the attendant media outlets seems somewhat misplaced. Can we get the facts straight before opening on this episode?

Watch and judge it for yourself:

https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/tour-de-france

Requires a player which I can't access in the U.S. Anyone have a web link? Thx.

Daniel Friebe said on the Cycling Podcast that Jalabert was being interviewed by someone who was really fishing for an "extra-terrestial" style quote and got caught out. Seemed to think this media storm was a little harsh on old Laurent.

 

[wendybnt]

Interesting to see that Froome has put a total on 1 minute 16 seconds into Quintana on climbs so far. Makes a bit of a mockery of all the claims he is ridiculously dominant. I would guess that a Contador in any kind of form would be right up there with him.

It's not just the lead, it's the speed of the climbs. The Maillot Jaune always gets more criticism. Always. Goes with the territory.

Don't remember Nibali getting this sort of criticism last year when in yellow, despite actually bettering Froome's figures according to the power "experts". What's happened, collective amnesia ?

Contador was booed on the podium in 2010, and again at the Tour presentation in 2011. Froome isn't being uniquely singled out here.

Having said that, if the Aussie contingent here feel like having a brief burst of honesty, they will admit that they are raised to hate the British, especially on the sports field. I know because I'm married to one. I have to put up with his whining bullsh1t every time the Aussies are beaten by the Brits. The 2012 Olympics was a nightmare for me

 

[blackcat]

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Contador was booed on the podium in 2010, and again at the Tour presentation in 2011. Froome isn't being uniquely singled out here.

Having said that, if the Aussie contingent here feel like having a brief burst of honesty, they will admit that they are raised to hate the British, especially on the sports field. I know because I'm married to one. I have to put up with his whining bullsh1t every time the Aussies are beaten by the Brits. The 2012 Olympics was a nightmare for me

heres an idea
divorce

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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Contador was booed on the podium in 2010, and again at the Tour presentation in 2011. Froome isn't being uniquely singled out here.

Having said that, if the Aussie contingent here feel like having a brief burst of honesty, they will admit that they are raised to hate the British, especially on the sports field. I know because I'm married to one. I have to put up with his whining bullsh1t every time the Aussies are beaten by the Brits. The 2012 Olympics was a nightmare for me

heres an idea
divorce

Does that stop the whinning?

 

[wendybnt]

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Contador was booed on the podium in 2010, and again at the Tour presentation in 2011. Froome isn't being uniquely singled out here.

Having said that, if the Aussie contingent here feel like having a brief burst of honesty, they will admit that they are raised to hate the British, especially on the sports field. I know because I'm married to one. I have to put up with his whining bullsh1t every time the Aussies are beaten by the Brits. The 2012 Olympics was a nightmare for me

heres an idea
divorce

I'll suggest it to him. He'll probably take it rather than having to give up whining about the Poms.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Contador was booed on the podium in 2010, and again at the Tour presentation in 2011. Froome isn't being uniquely singled out here.

Having said that, if the Aussie contingent here feel like having a brief burst of honesty, they will admit that they are raised to hate the British, especially on the sports field. I know because I'm married to one. I have to put up with his whining bullsh1t every time the Aussies are beaten by the Brits. The 2012 Olympics was a nightmare for me

heres an idea
divorce

I'll suggest it to him. He'll probably take it rather than having to give up whining about the Poms.

antipodeans whinge they dont whine. you drink that $h!t

#PoesLaw

 

[wendybnt]

Oh he whines alright.

This is what we think about all of you ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9aPElvnaos&feature=youtu.be

 

[jalep]

personal rant

Don't remember Nibali getting this sort of criticism last year when in yellow, despite actually bettering Froome's figures according to the power "experts". What's happened, collective amnesia ?

Remembering something objectively is more likely if you have no special dog in the fight either way, isn't it?

As a fan of Nibali's cycling, I distinctly remember the criticism. And there was loud and furious resentment last year because Contador and Froome weren't there due to misfortunes. So I had my day in the sun, tarnished as it was. And perhaps I am jealous of Froome and Sky this year for being better dopers, indeed not proud of myself there. But what to do?

One thing makes me cringe though is that yes, I don't believe Nibali is clean and yet I don't think Froome is cleaner nor is that what the problem is about. It's twisted. There is jealousy involved on my part but it's worth laughing at. Because it's silly really. It's cheering for super shark over a nuclear powered praying mantis. It's the stuff of comic strips and fantasy.

It galling to me when Nibs or anyone with a sketchy background is trying to sell themselves as clean. Perhaps less so with Nibs than an English speaking doper claiming they are clean because I don't read Italian very well and don't grasp how bad the hype is in Italian. Maybe I like Nibali more in part because the most ugly parts of the media are lost in translation on me. When the hype and lies comes to me full force in my native language, I get sick; especially sickening is when the hype and lies are actually swallowed hook, line, and sinker and believed by the masses - it's the ugly spectacle of seeing what money and power can do to manipulate the show. I start asking myself how far will Sky/Froome be able to go with this? will he be propped up for as long as Armstrong? Do fans of Sky/Froome really wish for it? I don't wish for that from a favorite - really rather they make a disappearing act and be satisfied with one measly TdF. One of each GT is reasonable...then go hide.

At this point we should be past the question of are they cheating or not - past that question...past the denial of it and being taken for an idiot. Full transparency: tell us what is going on, give us the details, at least then I can appreciate a great responder and moreover, it can explain the ones who are having a bad response and have to tweak their recipe for success, ect. Details, I want details, medical, scientific, voodoo, whatever it is, the facts of how it all happens. A new and refreshing script for this spectacle in English, please.