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Bobby Julich has got to have helped! As a proven doper, and one that knows how to get away with doping.
Dear Wiggo said:
Bobby Julich has got to have helped! As a proven doper, and one that knows how to get away with doping.
Back in 98 or thereabouts, when Danish media would often ask Riis if he had ever used illegal drugs, he changed his answer from a simple 'no' to 'I have never tested positive'. A much more humane (and truthful) answer. No need to lie.
Froome is trying to do something similar, hiding behind this naive persona so he doesn't have to tell outright lies. It is a difficult game to play.
Froome is trying to do something similar, hiding behind this naive persona so he doesn't have to tell outright lies. It is a difficult game to play.
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Intresting approach from Sky i must say. Whats difference between the eras is where the Festinas, Once and USPs of this world went into hiding and acting reactionary Sky and Froome goes all offensive and talking openly about cleanliness.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-i-want-to-be-a-spokesman-for-clean-cycling/
Its a great way to go if you want to control the narrative.
Intresting approach from Sky i must say. Whats difference between the eras is where the Festinas, Once and USPs of this world went into hiding and acting reactionary Sky and Froome goes all offensive and talking openly about cleanliness.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-i-want-to-be-a-spokesman-for-clean-cycling/
Its a great way to go if you want to control the narrative.
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it is deflection and diversion, not speaking as an individual. "i am credible. i did not do these things." "i dont need to dope and put that in my body".
but each extra layer of embellishment is not to convey innocence, it is an attempt to convince.
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nope. it was "we like our credibility." he did not take a personal ownership, this was not straight talking from Armstrong, when he engaged in hypothetical rhetoric like "why would I put that in my body when I was in the the oncology IndianaU ICU alliterations having a unilateral orchiectomy".Mr.38% said:
it is deflection and diversion, not speaking as an individual. "i am credible. i did not do these things." "i dont need to dope and put that in my body".
but each extra layer of embellishment is not to convey innocence, it is an attempt to convince.
edit:alliteration
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He missed an opportunity there. Could have played the hard and honest work card.
"Bobby came on board and we sat down and had a real talk about where I see myself going as a pro cyclist. That's when I started getting on my bike busting my arse six hours a day"
Dear Wiggo said:
He missed an opportunity there. Could have played the hard and honest work card.
"Bobby came on board and we sat down and had a real talk about where I see myself going as a pro cyclist. That's when I started getting on my bike busting my arse six hours a day"
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Am I the only one who cringed at the second part of this line?
"I do want to be a spokesman for clean cycling. I believe somebody has to stand up for the current generation.”
How many times have we heard that exact line? THIS generation is different.
"I do want to be a spokesman for clean cycling. I believe somebody has to stand up for the current generation.”
How many times have we heard that exact line? THIS generation is different.
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These are guys who inject themselves with drugs to become better at their jobs. They extract their own blood, trusting doctors to keep that blood viable for months at a time. Then reinfuse it, knowing full well the doctor could have stuffed up the bags and given them someone else's, potentially killing them.
Lying is a piece of piss.
nayr497 said:
These are guys who inject themselves with drugs to become better at their jobs. They extract their own blood, trusting doctors to keep that blood viable for months at a time. Then reinfuse it, knowing full well the doctor could have stuffed up the bags and given them someone else's, potentially killing them.
Lying is a piece of piss.
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Funny enough that even slightly to moderately suspicious values should be able to strengthen his credibility as it stands now (with the informed public), and they still opt out without any real reason.
The PR team should know that this is as good as confirmation of violations for a lot of people. Especially keeping in mind the lacking consistencies of what is being told about the parasite thing, JTL and Henaos blood profile problem a while back.
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Funny enough that even slightly to moderately suspicious values should be able to strengthen his credibility as it stands now (with the informed public), and they still opt out without any real reason.
The PR team should know that this is as good as confirmation of violations for a lot of people. Especially keeping in mind the lacking consistencies of what is being told about the parasite thing, JTL and Henaos blood profile problem a while back.
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San Luis, Tirreno, Trentino and Laigueglia happened after the transformation.
But then again you could argue the transformation happened when he finished second up the Kitzbüheler Horn with absolutely nothing to suggest that such result would be possible.
Amusing to read though that a top 10 at the pre-Willunga HTF TDU, one of the worst San Sebastians ever (a 30 rider sprint behind Sanchez) and a hilly race with a flat final are enough to make a transformation from a rider who never finished top-50 in GT to climbing with the best for 2 weeks plus seem not *that* dramatic.
42x16ss said:Yes, decent domestique. He also had reasonable results riding for himself, including multiple top 10s at Lombardia, along with top 10's at TDU, SanLuis, Tirreno, San Sebastian and podiums at Coppa Agostoni, Trentino and Laigueglia.Taxus4a said:Gung Ho Gun said:Wait, and Froome improved less in terms of performanceTaxus4a said:
Santambrogio went from decent domestique on a big team to good leader on a smaller team
Froome went from mediocre domestique on a big team to the best GT rider in the world, still as a domestique and still for the same team
Decent domestique?
He wanst the best domestique previous year for Evans and next year he started to climb with the best, he was already 29 with a long trayectory, it is a case very different to Froome, Froome needed tolear a lot, it was a cycling to make, or to pulish, he was yopung in terms on cycling, although he was 26 already. it is very differente at the 29 of Santa.
What did Froome have prior to his transformation - a transformation far more dramatic?
San Luis, Tirreno, Trentino and Laigueglia happened after the transformation.
But then again you could argue the transformation happened when he finished second up the Kitzbüheler Horn with absolutely nothing to suggest that such result would be possible.
Amusing to read though that a top 10 at the pre-Willunga HTF TDU, one of the worst San Sebastians ever (a 30 rider sprint behind Sanchez) and a hilly race with a flat final are enough to make a transformation from a rider who never finished top-50 in GT to climbing with the best for 2 weeks plus seem not *that* dramatic.
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He should post 3 off-scores from 2006 if that's what counts for transparency know.
Catwhoorg said:
He should post 3 off-scores from 2006 if that's what counts for transparency know.
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The man, apparently, has very large cojones, since he is an asthmatic and takes medication that would be illegal for anyone else to take. Does it help him? Ask Horner. As we all know, some people are helped more by certain drugs or methods than others. Froome has found his niche and he is exploiting it for everything it is worth, ala Armstrong. He is the perfect spokesperson for personal greed and that is about it. There is nothing humble about this guy.
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Yeah, I've been thinking about that as well. Must feel odd to tell lies when you know almost everyone knows they're lies, and when you know your lies will be exposed at some point.nayr497 said:
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Gotcha! Didn't mean to offend. Just a joke of sorts. No one is really interested in any body getting hurt, just put in their place.
pastronef said:reubenr said:
oh yes, that would be nice. but people will restrain from saying it, if it happens
Gotcha! Didn't mean to offend. Just a joke of sorts. No one is really interested in any body getting hurt, just put in their place.
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You're right, they aren't amazing results, but compared to pre-transformation Wonderboy MK2, it's almost Merckx like.roundabout said:42x16ss said:Yes, decent domestique. He also had reasonable results riding for himself, including multiple top 10s at Lombardia, along with top 10's at TDU, SanLuis, Tirreno, San Sebastian and podiums at Coppa Agostoni, Trentino and Laigueglia.Taxus4a said:Gung Ho Gun said:Wait, and Froome improved less in terms of performanceTaxus4a said:
Santambrogio went from decent domestique on a big team to good leader on a smaller team
Froome went from mediocre domestique on a big team to the best GT rider in the world, still as a domestique and still for the same team
Decent domestique?
He wanst the best domestique previous year for Evans and next year he started to climb with the best, he was already 29 with a long trayectory, it is a case very different to Froome, Froome needed tolear a lot, it was a cycling to make, or to pulish, he was yopung in terms on cycling, although he was 26 already. it is very differente at the 29 of Santa.
What did Froome have prior to his transformation - a transformation far more dramatic?
San Luis, Tirreno, Trentino and Laigueglia happened after the transformation.
But then again you could argue the transformation happened when he finished second up the Kitzbüheler Horn with absolutely nothing to suggest that such result would be possible.
Amusing to read though that a top 10 at the pre-Willunga HTF TDU, one of the worst San Sebastians ever (a 30 rider sprint behind Sanchez) and a hilly race with a flat final are enough to make a transformation from a rider who never finished top-50 in GT to climbing with the best for 2 weeks plus seem not *that* dramatic.
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