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[gooner]

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It's still funny how he feels the need to explain who Contador is, shows what the audience is
And he doesn't write who were 1st and 2nd in the TT he top-10'ed: Alberto and Little Richie

I don't think he's explaining who Contador is, just underlining the fact that he is a Tour de France winner to put his performance into perspective (from his point of view).

Yup, and that should be easy understanding for anyone who read it.

 

[Benotti69]

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It's still funny how he feels the need to explain who Contador is, shows what the audience is
And he doesn't write who were 1st and 2nd in the TT he top-10'ed: Alberto and Little Richie

I don't think he's explaining who Contador is, just underlining the fact that he is a Tour de France winner to put his performance into perspective (from his point of view).

Froome's POV ignores the truth, Contador had a puncture. Tells us a lot really.

 

[gooner]

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It's still funny how he feels the need to explain who Contador is, shows what the audience is
And he doesn't write who were 1st and 2nd in the TT he top-10'ed: Alberto and Little Richie

I don't think he's explaining who Contador is, just underlining the fact that he is a Tour de France winner to put his performance into perspective (from his point of view).

Froome's POV ignores the truth, Contador had a puncture. Tells us a lot really.

Yeah, but it was in response to the point that he has to explain to the reader who Contador is.

 

[SeriousSam]

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That passage in Mein Climb is symbolic for all of Team Sky's PR. It is meant to assure the reader that he's always been talented, that he didn't just suddenly start climbing and time trialling at a world class level at a relatively advanced age without there being a hint of such talent.

So how do they attempt this feat of persuasion? By picking a result where Froome got the better of Contador because the latter punctured, failing to acknowledge the puncture, knowing that the target audience didn't even follow cycling back then and would never dream to investigate what actually happened in that race.

This type of dishonesty, often nothing but blatant lies, has been the cornerstone of Sky's public statements since their inception.

 

[Benotti69]

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It's still funny how he feels the need to explain who Contador is, shows what the audience is
And he doesn't write who were 1st and 2nd in the TT he top-10'ed: Alberto and Little Richie

I don't think he's explaining who Contador is, just underlining the fact that he is a Tour de France winner to put his performance into perspective (from his point of view).

Froome's POV ignores the truth, Contador had a puncture. Tells us a lot really.

Yeah, but it was in response to the point that he has to explain to the reader who Contador is.

He is speaking to sky fans who have no clue about the sport or he is trying to hide something......

 

[42x16ss]

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It's still funny how he feels the need to explain who Contador is, shows what the audience is
And he doesn't write who were 1st and 2nd in the TT he top-10'ed: Alberto and Little Richie

He also forgot that they put 38 seconds into Froome in all of 11kms.

 

[42x16ss]

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It's still funny how he feels the need to explain who Contador is, shows what the audience is
And he doesn't write who were 1st and 2nd in the TT he top-10'ed: Alberto and Little Richie

I don't think he's explaining who Contador is, just underlining the fact that he is a Tour de France winner to put his performance into perspective (from his point of view).

Froome's POV ignores the truth, Contador had a puncture. Tells us a lot really.

Not just one puncture, but three. After burning off his team chasing on, Contador just rolled in after the third one.

 

[Pantani Attacks]

When the weather is not super hot, extra time for Froome won't be got. Heat activated dope gets a 2/5 for today.

 

[thehog]

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It's still funny how he feels the need to explain who Contador is, shows what the audience is
And he doesn't write who were 1st and 2nd in the TT he top-10'ed: Alberto and Little Richie

I don't think he's explaining who Contador is, just underlining the fact that he is a Tour de France winner to put his performance into perspective (from his point of view).

Froome's POV ignores the truth, Contador had a puncture. Tells us a lot really.

Not just one puncture, but three. After burning off his team chasing on, Contador just rolled in after the third one.

Walsh could have fact checked the BS story about beating Contador, a simple search into Google showed this picture;

After his 3rd puncture be just rode in home, laughing and waving as he crossed the line.

The stupid thing about the story is that Froome finished 20th on that stage 41 seconds down, with Contador losing 2:50s.

Saying at he 'beat' Conatdor when in fact 27 riders beat Contador that day and 19 of them beat Froome!

Even more stupid Porte that day (riding for Saxo) rode some of the way with Contador helping him with a spare wheel.

20 Christopher Froome (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:41

28 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Saxo Bank Sungard 0:02:50

 

[Benotti69]

Jeroen Swart getting into a twitter spat with people calling him on his Sky tweets......Swart resorts to blocking and name calling. Par for the sport.

 

[Chaddy]

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https://twitter.com/Digger_forum/status/741936587035037696

Jeroen Swart tweeting for sky......independent tester? I think not!

Think I would do the same, Digger seems like a bit of a stalker.

 

[Benotti69]

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https://twitter.com/Digger_forum/status/741936587035037696

Jeroen Swart tweeting for sky......independent tester? I think not!

Think I would do the same, Digger seems like a bit of a stalker.

I think not, but then i dont have Wiggins as an avatar either

 

[Tangled Tango]

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so you've no proof at all....thats good.

When people say something like that, it sounds very much like the LA fanboys who kept saying: "he never tested positive or the most tested cyclist ever!". Some of us use our reasoning powers to come to rational and intelligent conclusions.

 

[pastronef]

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Jeroen Swart getting into a twitter spat with people calling him on his Sky tweets......Swart resorts to blocking and name calling. Par for the sport.

Swart already un-blocked Digger, he blocked him this morning for a while, in order to have a normal conversation with other users.

 

[Benotti69]

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Jeroen Swart getting into a twitter spat with people calling him on his Sky tweets......Swart resorts to blocking and name calling. Par for the sport.

Swart already un-blocked Digger, he blocked him this morning for a while, in order to have a normal conversation with other users.

No, he blocked Digger because he couldn't answer the questions and then resorted to name calling others.

 

[pastronef]

12 seconds to Bardet, 19 to Martin, 21 to Porte, 35 to Contador.

very short GC

but from the number and kind of posts on here and on twitter it seems Froome is smoking the field and winning by minutes

 

[thehog]

12 seconds to Bardet, 19 to Martin, 21 to Porte, 35 to Contador.

very short GC

but from the number and kind of posts on here and on twitter it seems Froome is smoking the field and winning by minutes

That is a stupid comparison considering it was a one week stage race with 4 flat stages & a prolonge which Froome lost time. He gained all of it and some back with one attack and a small spit on stage 3. Froome was in total control.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Why would Sky dope a guy who's got poor palmares and is heading to Lampre the following season? I don't buy it. Froome must have doped independently without Sky's knowledge before the 2011 Vuelta. Sky probably put him on the Wiggins programme the following year

 

[Digger]

I find it bizarre that Swart is retweeting official team sky feel good news about the race whilst being an apparent independent tester of froome - it's a love story to match walsh it seems. There's something about sky - they all fall in love there.
Funnily I get accused a lot of being nasty, angry and insulting - yet the irony is that I have never resorted to the measures of sky fans who have attempted to find out personal information about me and even post pictures of 'my wife and kids' and say they kids look '***'.

 

[deeno1975]

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I find it bizarre that Swart is retweeting official team sky feel good news about the race whilst being an apparent independent tester of froome - it's a love story to match walsh it seems. There's something about sky - they all fall in love there.
Funnily I get accused a lot of being nasty, angry and insulting - yet the irony is that I have never resorted to the measures of sky fans who have attempted to find out personal information about me and even post pictures of 'my wife and kids' and say they kids look '***'.

Keep up the good work Digger, you're a breath of fresh air in the stench of modern sport. They may make a movie of you some day.

 

[thehog]

I like Swart. I think he did his testing well bar the mishap with the heart rate strap. I think his analysis will be sound on the test data.

My problem is with the 2007 data and the quick conclusion 'he just lost the fat' but he may have closed some of the gaps by the time report is issued. I look forward to reading it.

I think he also tends to stumble into a bar, calls a few names, a fight breaks out and he's like 'why is everyone fighting and getting angry in here?'. Standard Twitter adolescence, I don't get drawn into it as I've seen it 1000 times before.

Let's get the final report and see where that takes us. For the moment I'm sceptical, more so by dodgy fax but let's hope the homework has now been done.

Just don't let Richard Moore near that final report though! That guy is scary

 

[Taxus4a]

There's also the (purely circumstantial) fact that Froome is an Armstrong fan who views 7 victories as the Tour de France record.

However, I don't think the specific evidence is necessarily that important. Elements of it can and have been disputed heavily, and even I'm not convinced by every thing adduced against Froome in that list. What is essential is this:

Climbing speeds are not notably down from the EPO era. They are down, but not by much. W/Kg remains at a superhuman level. Infuriatingly, I can't find the statistics right now, but it has been shown that 2012 was the fastest peloton on average since the Armstrong era. Contador is a convicted doper. Nibali and Aru are managed by walking hospital Vinokourov. Quintana disappears back to Colombia for months each season.

The evidence against Sky which convinced me is not anything specific to Sky. It is the fact that, on the face of it, there is no plausible way a Tour winner in this era can have done so clean.

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The question is why would Sky favor Chris Froome so much? Surely if they had a plethora of riders they could magically convert into TdF winners, they would choose a very British rider. Why Chris Froome who is not as loved as maybe G(say). Why make him this good?
Also, he was never part of the A team of Sky Pre-Vuelta. Why not continue the domination with Wiggins? Or G Thomas? Surely he's got to be the best talent they have, Doping or Not Doping.

Firstly, natural talent DOES come into it, to some extent, now that doping programmes are more restricted.
Secondly, Froome was (as part of that natural talent) most likely an exceptionally good responder to doping - which Thomas hasn't shown yet.
Thirdly, don't forget that many people contend Sky didn't magically transform Froome: as thehog alludes to, most think Froome procured the PEDs all by himseld.

Contador was an Armtrong fan, one of his best fans. I dont know if Froome was, but when you are a young boy and you dont know more that what you see on TV, I dont understand the problem. I was a Mayo fan, but after knowing more of that era, I regret. and that is, no more.

 

[Taxus4a]

I was in that tage in the climb. contador passed very quicky to my side, he was catching people nervious, Later I knew he puntured, 2 times just before where I was. The last climb is soft.

there is no doubt contador was then stronger than Froome, at least for one weak races. The question is, who of both doped... froome had lot of thing to learn, he started to belive in his posibilities after eptem,ber of that year.

he had bilharzia a well in that Vuelta a castillla y leon. it is not a big problem, but it is the contrary effect of EPO, so with a big possibility, we watched in that catilla y leon a contador with low level of doping, the normal for some peoble in the transitional era.. andn Froome with a disease that make the contrary efect than EPo.

So it was like that, Froome was much stronger than Contador that race.

 

[SeriousSam]

Even Obi Wan would be embarrassed by this variant of the 'but it's true from a certain point of view!' excuse.

Froome transforms form mediocre to world beater, raising the question how that came about, with rampant doping being a natural explanation.

So Froome sets out to dispel that notion by arguing that he was good all along.

But he wasn't. His explanation is a bald faced lie by omission.

And here is Taxus arguing that it wasn't a bald faced lie because Froome was clean and Contador was doping so Froome really was better despite the puncture. By taking on faith the very thing Froome can no better support than with a bald faced lie, Taxus finds the bald faced lie to be truth! Incredible.

 

[42x16ss]

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Why would Sky dope a guy who's got poor palmares and is heading to Lampre the following season? I don't buy it. Froome must have doped independently without Sky's knowledge before the 2011 Vuelta. Sky probably put him on the Wiggins programme the following year

That's almost certainly what happened. Froome only gets one minimum wage offer for 2012 from a weak team as a domestique and has a BIG roll of the dice - it somehow pays off.