Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[42x16ss]

Yeah, I think the main thing to come out of this is how dodgy the whole TUE thing is. For elite athletes, these people get sick a lot, and need meds to allow them to compete (and win) whilst sick.

He's been a pro 9 years and has only twice perfectly legitimately been issued a TUE. He also already stated that he was issued this 2nd TUE in an interview two years ago, so there's your transparency.

Well, apart from the whole backdating thing...

No, the backdating is perfectly legitimate too.

In the words of Pauline Hanson - "Please Explain".

 

[JRanton]

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he already said in an interview that he only had 2 TUE so it seems this is true.

Yup, this leak shows that Froome was being honest and transparent. Nice to see.

 

[JRanton]

Yeah, I think the main thing to come out of this is how dodgy the whole TUE thing is. For elite athletes, these people get sick a lot, and need meds to allow them to compete (and win) whilst sick.

He's been a pro 9 years and has only twice perfectly legitimately been issued a TUE. He also already stated that he was issued this 2nd TUE in an interview two years ago, so there's your transparency.

Well, apart from the whole backdating thing...

No, the backdating is perfectly legitimate too.

In the words of Pauline Hanson - "Please Explain".

Fast-tracked would be a better description, which was what happened in Froome's case. The clinic spin was 'backdated'.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-support-chris-froome-tue-decision/

 

[JRanton]

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as i read on Tweeter: ''Froome's clearly not applying for TUEs every race he wins and never for Tour de France''

Twice in nine years. That's it. And we know Froome is a rider that has struggled with his health. If anyone thinks that equates to abusing the TUE system then they need to seek help.

 

[Amnes2015]

underwhelming

i was expecting much more juicy stuff

 

[The Hitch]

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he already said in an interview that he only had 2 TUE so it seems this is true.

Yup, this leak shows that Froome was being honest and transparent. Nice to see.

It would be nice to see if he hadn't been caught being blatantly dishonest so many Times before. Your logic seems to be that all other lies should be forgiven the moment someone finally gets caught telling the truth.

 

[Amnes2015]

also the 2013 TUE is 21-26 May 2013 , Dauphine is 02-09 June , why people say Froome had TUE for that Dauphine , is there anything i'm missing here?

 

[Winnats]

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he already said in an interview that he only had 2 TUE so it seems this is true.

Yup, this leak shows that Froome was being honest and transparent. Nice to see.

It would be nice to see if he hadn't been caught being blatantly dishonest so many Times before. Your logic seems to be that all other lies should be forgiven the moment someone finally gets caught telling the truth.

Not really. JRanton's semantics here suggest

"was being honest and transparent" in this case (the italics are to show the unwritten implication)

not

[Froome] "is honest and transparent."

That is how it reads. It does not imply he is honest and transparent in other cases.

 

[Franklin]

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he already said in an interview that he only had 2 TUE so it seems this is true.

Yup, this leak shows that Froome was being honest and transparent. Nice to see.

It would be nice to see if he hadn't been caught being blatantly dishonest so many Times before. Your logic seems to be that all other lies should be forgiven the moment someone finally gets caught telling the truth.

Not nitpicking, but my impression so far is that it's Dave brailsford who happily lies his way through the sport, but that Froome is pretty straight considering his position.

Note that this does not mean I have any doubts about the chances of Fromme being a charger, but he ain't striking me as an obnoxious person.

 

[pablopaul]

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underwhelming

i was expecting much more juicy stuff

You have to laugh.

The anticipation of the Froome leak. The realization that it contains nothing that we didn't already know.

Would it be going to far to say that Froome has actually benefited from the leak? A PR victory of sorts?

 

[meat puppet]

straightness or better yet honesty from froome would amount to statements such as "without the good stuff I would be getting dropped in the SA local scene and having a dayjob instead of being da greatest ever".

So lets not get over excited here Agree about Dave b tho.

 

[eyesopen]

So this steroid is ok out of competition but the problem occurs if you then arrive at the race still with it in your system (ie.glowing). On the phone to the network and organise an emergency TUE that can also be backdated as a bonus and any steroids in your system are now legal. And with this you are now seen as "being honest and transparent".

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

hahaha came here to laugh at the tinfoil fools who were expecting froome to dope. called it here several years ago.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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TUEs are on the increase.

not with froome

 

[veji11]

To me the simple thing is that the TUE system has to be changed and Froome is a perfect and simple example : he only used it twice in 9 years it seems. My point would simply be, why then did'nt he retire from the 2014 Romandie and the other race to be healed for what he had at the time ? It surely wouln't have broken his career would it ?

There could be many less TUEs, or rather most of the those TUEs should have been assorted with a work stoppage period : the doctor prescribes a medication allowing the athlete to get better, in the meanwhile, he rests.. This is exactly the same impression I had yesterday with Serena Williams' shitty 2014 spring with lots of med : just stop competition, get your TUE to get healed and then go back to the sport... That would be so much simpler.

 

[The Hitch]

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hahaha came here to laugh at the tinfoil fools who were expecting froome to dope. called it here several years ago.

Still bitter that botero got popped?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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hahaha came here to laugh at the tinfoil fools who were expecting froome to dope. called it here several years ago.

Still bitter that botero got popped?

that's the best you can come up with?

 

[Bronstein]

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hahaha came here to laugh at the tinfoil fools who were expecting froome to dope. called it here several years ago.

 

[veji11]

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hahaha came here to laugh at the tinfoil fools who were expecting froome to dope. called it here several years ago.

Still bitter that botero got popped?

that's the best you can come up with?

You guys should maybe drop that kind of thing ? cheers.

 

[Amnes2015]

hahaha UK media

Froome has 2 TUE's Wiggins has 6 , over periods of 1 year (!) but headline is

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/15/chris-froome-defends-use-tues-wada-hacking-leaks

i guess Wiggins ass tastes like honey and it's hard to extract your tongue from there.

 

[veji11]

This is the interesting part :
“I’ve openly discussed my TUEs with the media and have no issues with the leak which confirms my statements. In nine years as a professional I’ve twice required a TUE for exacerbated asthma, the last time was in 2014.”

My take on that is that he simply should have retired from those races.. if it only happened twice in his career... But then correct me if I am wrong, there is no need for an AUT for the regular ventolin inhaler because it will only show a positive if you just spend your day puffing at it, not having a few puffs just before a big climb...

 

[Rollthedice]

First of all you don't need TUE's for microdosing, blood manipulations or God knows what other marginal gain enhancing substances. You don't need TUEs to avoid OOC tests, protection will suffice. How many tues did Lance had? We know about the infamous backdated one for the same corticosteroids for which Froome got a pass from one man commission Zorzoli. The high octane stuff does nor require TUEs.

 

[MatParker117]

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This is the interesting part :
“I’ve openly discussed my TUEs with the media and have no issues with the leak which confirms my statements. In nine years as a professional I’ve twice required a TUE for exacerbated asthma, the last time was in 2014.”

My take on that is that he simply should have retired from those races.. if it only happened twice in his career... But then correct me if I am wrong, there is no need for an AUT for the regular ventolin inhaler because it will only show a positive if you just spend your day puffing at it, not having a few puffs just before a big climb...

The first one was prior to the Dauphine.

 

[pastronef]

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underwhelming

i was expecting much more juicy stuff

You have to laugh.

The anticipation of the Froome leak. The realization that it contains nothing that we didn't already know.

Would it be going to far to say that Froome has actually benefited from the leak? A PR victory of sorts?

just read the news now

the leak confirm what Froome said: 2 TUEs.

when Sky is involved I wouldnt talk abour PR victories but nice to see the leak didnt tell us more than we knew.

 

[veji11]

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First of all you don't need TUE's for microdosing, blood manipulations or God knows what other marginal gain enhancing substances. You don't need TUEs to avoid OOC tests, protection will suffice. How many tues did Lance had? We know about the infamous backdated one for the same corticosteroids for which Froome got a pass from one man commission Zorzoli. The high octane stuff does nor require TUEs.

Sure, but the fact that TUEs are not and by far the main issue in terms of combating doping does not mean that there shouldn't be a change in how they have come to be used and abused, see norwegian cross country skiing for the epithomy of absurdity : a bunch of hyper asthmatics winning all possible gold medals...