Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[red_flanders]

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ok so what is up with him, he got beat by Porte, Valverde, Contador in the ITT today.....is it because Sky under scrutiny? He has not look sharp at all this year. Off the juice?

So, by your logic anybody on the juice can turn up and win.
**** I should get on the froome juice. Win some tours :lol: :lol:

Not actually the logic presented. Not close. What was presented were questions, with the underlying assumption that PED's actually enhance performance.

Now if silvergrenade had said, "the only reason he could be underperforming is that he stopped doping", that would fail logic on many levels.

 

[gmedina]

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ok so what is up with him, he got beat by Porte, Valverde, Contador in the ITT today.....is it because Sky under scrutiny? He has not look sharp at all this year. Off the juice?

So, by your logic anybody on the juice can turn up and win.
**** I should get on the froome juice. Win some tours :lol: :lol:

Ok, so how do you explain the recent of sub-par performances from Froome this year? Aren't you shocked that Froome got beat almost by 40 seconds by Porte? That is all I am asking. The answer might be that the likes of Porte/Valverde found something better.

 

[ontheroad]

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ok so what is up with him, he got beat by Porte, Valverde, Contador in the ITT today.....is it because Sky under scrutiny? He has not look sharp at all this year. Off the juice?

So, by your logic anybody on the juice can turn up and win.
**** I should get on the froome juice. Win some tours :lol: :lol:

Ok, so how do you explain the recent of sub-par performances from Froome this year? Aren't you shocked that Froome got beat almost by 40 seconds by Porte? That is all I am asking. The answer might be that the likes of Porte/Valverde found something better.

I think Tony Martin is a useful gauge in all of this. A specialist TT'ist, no way would you have expected Porte to beat Martin by 12 seconds nor Valverde to be within 12 seconds of him. Both of them have put in remarkable performances. They have definitely put in surprising performances though consistent with their seasons form.

Froome was a level below where you would expect him to be based on his post 2011 transformation TT form. Sky as a whole have had a mediocre season until now. The ongoing questions around the jiffy bag story cannot have been good for team morale and the lack of support for Brailsford from Froome earlier in the season is bound to create a bit of friction within. Brailsford has been very low key this seaon and it would be interesting to know if he still has the same control within the team.

 

[silvergrenade]

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ok so what is up with him, he got beat by Porte, Valverde, Contador in the ITT today.....is it because Sky under scrutiny? He has not look sharp at all this year. Off the juice?

So, by your logic anybody on the juice can turn up and win.
**** I should get on the froome juice. Win some tours :lol: :lol:

Ok, so how do you explain the recent of sub-par performances from Froome this year? Aren't you shocked that Froome got beat almost by 40 seconds by Porte? That is all I am asking. The answer might be that the likes of Porte/Valverde found something better.

I can't. Nobody on this forum can.
What I can say is, if he was on a doping program earlier he'd still be on it, scrutiny or no scrutiny. I dont think that scrutiny has affected his performances...ever.
The most logical explanation would be that he has not trained enough this season(dropped off weight) or he is declining and we may never see Froome the way we did in the earlier years.

 

[The Hitch]

Pre juice Chris Froome used to finish anywhere from outside the top 30 to outside the top 100 on tts like this.

He had 1 or 2 performances where he would scrape the top 20 (16th 2008 TDF) (17th Worl TT 2009) and these were his absolute best days which he would later rave about as if he had actually won the tt's.

Very very hard to believe a non juice Chris Froome could even dream about a top 10 tt in a field like this.

 

[Random Direction]

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Pre juice Chris Froome used to finish anywhere from outside the top 30 to outside the top 100 on tts like this.

He had 1 or 2 performances where he would scrape the top 20 (16th 2008 TDF) (17th Worl TT 2009) and these were his absolute best days which he would later rave about as if he had actually won the tt's.

Very very hard to believe a non juice Chris Froome could even dream about a top 10 tt in a field like this.

Following this logic, then it would follow either (a) that Porte and Valverde have found better (beet root?) juice; or (b) that Froome is in decline from either (i) drinking lower quality juice; (ii) age/lack of training.

When is the next major mountain climb so we get an idea of the w/kg?

 

[Gloin22]

Lol some people believe hes not on juice anymore ? lol

If that was the case hed just retire straight after winning last Tour why even bother

Hes not mentally *** :lol:

 

[pastronef]

well, make a choice you posters is it juice or motor? bad juice or moto dont work?

 

[DanielSong39]

Froome did not have any standout performances in time trials between the 2013 Tour and the 2016 Tour.

His performance today was not bad. Gained a little time on a few CG contenders and lost time to a few.

Tony Martin is not the best yardstick either since he performed worse than expected.

 

[thehog]

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Lol some people believe hes not on juice anymore ? lol

If that was the case hed just retire straight after winning last Tour why even bother

Hes not mentally *** :lol:

Dawg has always been strange performance wise. 2013 he won every race he looked at and killed his opposition. 2017 he has gone into hiding and not as strong. But I'm sure come Tour time he'll fine the extra 70w he needs. The only question is will Froome have a spat with Porte is if LRP gains time at the Tour on him.

 

[deeno1975]

"Froomey" not quiet his new self (post Sept 2011 self)

Just wondering if there is any research on the long term effects of taking industrial levels of kenacort and injecting bucket loads of fluimucil... Wonder is he suffering some form of doping fatigue?

 

[Huapango]

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"Froomey" not quiet his new self (post Sept 2011 self)

Just wondering if there is any research on the long term effects of taking industrial levels of kenacort and injecting bucket loads of fluimucil... Wonder is he suffering some form of doping fatigue?

It's all smoke and mirrors. Froome will be his indestructable self at the TDF. He's just taking his foot off the gas and letting others get a bit of glory at the moment.

 

[deeno1975]

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"Froomey" not quiet his new self (post Sept 2011 self)

Just wondering if there is any research on the long term effects of taking industrial levels of kenacort and injecting bucket loads of fluimucil... Wonder is he suffering some form of doping fatigue?

It's all smoke and mirrors. Froome will be his indestructable self at the TDF. He's just taking his foot off the gas and letting others get a bit of glory at the moment.

Doubt it, doesn't fit with his personality type...

 

[Cycle Chic]

if he doesnt do the usual mutant performance this year then its all connected to the Sky investigation into the package..etc. too much of a coincidence.

 

[ontheroad]

Froome having to deny rumours of offering his services to BMC. I can't imagine that his relationship with Brailsford is anything but frosty after the jiffy bag/cortisone select committee hearing revelations and Froomey distancing himself from Sir Dave. Brailsford normally loves the media attention but has taken a back seat this year and it will be interesting to see how sky get on at the tour and whether Brailsford continues to be kept in the background.

Although Froome has denied the link, I think Porte will be knocking on Ochowitz's door this morning to see what is the deal with his best mate looking to pinch his job!

 

[Oufeh]

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Dawg has always been strange performance wise. 2013 he won every race he looked at and killed his opposition. 2017 he has gone into hiding and not as strong. But I'm sure come Tour time he'll fine the extra 70w he needs. The only question is will Froome have a spat with Porte is if LRP gains time at the Tour on him.

FWIW De Gendt averaged 430W for almost half an hour yesterday according to his Strava, that's 6.2W/kg and put him 5 secs behind Froome, LRP being 42s faster which needs 30 more watts for same SCx.
This means Froome was close to his usual level on GTs but Porte & Valverde on another planet...

But during TdF, I guess Froome will have a few extra % in the legs and his rivals won't be able to push that much watts after a week of hard racing. This is consistent with LRP beating Froome's record fresh on Madone but riding crap when race is longer than 7 days.

 

[GuyIncognito]

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But during TdF, I guess Froome will have a few extra % in the legs and his rivals won't be able to push that much watts after a week of hard racing. This is consistent with LRP beating Froome's record fresh on Madone but riding crap when race is longer than 7 days.

I've been saying it for a while, Porte is Tony Rominger without the classics ability.
His entire career is like a bad copy.
He's 32 now. It's time Tony started winning Grand Tours like he wins 1 week races.
And in 20 years we can find out why.

 

[DanielSong39]

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Dawg has always been strange performance wise. 2013 he won every race he looked at and killed his opposition. 2017 he has gone into hiding and not as strong. But I'm sure come Tour time he'll fine the extra 70w he needs. The only question is will Froome have a spat with Porte is if LRP gains time at the Tour on him.

FWIW De Gendt averaged 430W for almost half an hour yesterday according to his Strava, that's 6.2W/kg and put him 5 secs behind Froome, LRP being 42s faster which needs 30 more watts for same SCx.
This means Froome was close to his usual level on GTs but Porte & Valverde on another planet...

But during TdF, I guess Froome will have a few extra % in the legs and his rivals won't be able to push that much watts after a week of hard racing. This is consistent with LRP beating Froome's record fresh on Madone but riding crap when race is longer than 7 days.

I'm smelling a tailwind. You have to look at the entire context and the times other cyclists were putting up.

 

[kingjr]

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But during TdF, I guess Froome will have a few extra % in the legs and his rivals won't be able to push that much watts after a week of hard racing. This is consistent with LRP beating Froome's record fresh on Madone but riding crap when race is longer than 7 days.

I've been saying it for a while, Porte is Tony Rominger without the classics ability.
His entire career is like a bad copy.
He's 32 now. It's time Tony started winning Grand Tours like he wins 1 week races.
And in 20 years we can find out why.

That EPO was the drug of choice in the peloton was known even when EPO-Tony was still active.

 

[No_Balls]

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Really doubting Froome will take it this year. Too much scrutiny and doubts whilst SKY is nowhere as strong as previous years.

Its either this or he'll just kill it lol.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Really doubting Froome will take it this year. Too much scrutiny and doubts whilst SKY is nowhere as strong as previous years.

Its either this or he'll just kill it lol.

So he's either gonna win or not win? Bold prediction that :lol:

 

[GuyIncognito]

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But during TdF, I guess Froome will have a few extra % in the legs and his rivals won't be able to push that much watts after a week of hard racing. This is consistent with LRP beating Froome's record fresh on Madone but riding crap when race is longer than 7 days.

I've been saying it for a while, Porte is Tony Rominger without the classics ability.
His entire career is like a bad copy.
He's 32 now. It's time Tony started winning Grand Tours like he wins 1 week races.
And in 20 years we can find out why.

That EPO was the drug of choice in the peloton was known even when EPO-Tony was still active.

But not this time. So in 20 years we can find out what caused some guys to have such staggering recent leaps and others not so much.

 

[Rollthedice]

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Dawg has always been strange performance wise. 2013 he won every race he looked at and killed his opposition. 2017 he has gone into hiding and not as strong. But I'm sure come Tour time he'll fine the extra 70w he needs. The only question is will Froome have a spat with Porte is if LRP gains time at the Tour on him.

FWIW De Gendt averaged 430W for almost half an hour yesterday according to his Strava, that's 6.2W/kg and put him 5 secs behind Froome, LRP being 42s faster which needs 30 more watts for same SCx.
This means Froome was close to his usual level on GTs but Porte & Valverde on another planet...

But during TdF, I guess Froome will have a few extra % in the legs and his rivals won't be able to push that much watts after a week of hard racing. This is consistent with LRP beating Froome's record fresh on Madone but riding crap when race is longer than 7 days.

The altitude tent did miracles for De Gendt. Though unusual for the Dawg, Nibali's approach to GTs since 2014 proves that you can be crap all season and find those extra watts at the proper moment. I would be really surprised if Froomey will loose the Tour, unless of course Valverde wins it which is no surprise at all. He is still improving every season since about turning 34.

 

[yaco]

Many in individual sports and team sports use altitude tents - You'll find a number of sport's institutes in different countries have an altitude tent or a version of this - It's a non-issue.

 

[red_flanders]

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Many in individual sports and team sports use altitude tents - You'll find a number of sport's institutes in different countries have an altitude tent or a version of this - It's a non-issue.

Many in individual sports and team sports "use" altitude tents...as a cover for oxygen vector doping. Just like they use trips to altitude.

Which ones are actually using the tents and which ones are doping, and which ones are doing both one can't say. But sorry, no. One can't dismiss what we already know about riders who have used it as a cover. It would be pollyannaish to imagine this practice has stopped.