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samhocking said:
Well it goes to show how TV can perpetuate anything, when you have a fool leading and others want to make it something it probably isn't on social media.

Kirby, having just watched this live footage of Froome in an ITT on a TT bike with disc wheel, and then his road bike being filmed for some reason being carried by a mechanic, comments on live TV to thousands of cycling fans:
"This is Chris Froome's bike being handed back, having been monitored, presumably x-rayed, jigged, and the like"

Froome only finished 10 minutes earlier, he's still warming down on his TT bike lol!

Cyclingnews Journalist and administration here - Susan Westemeyer‏ then tweets "What was that with Froome's bike????"
Eurosport's Jose Been replies "we wondered also ;-0"
Susan Westemeyer replies "One could come up with all sorts of thoughts on that....."
thehog, presumably reading this on twitter then posts here "Dawg up to his old tricks again, looking for any advantage he can get"
LaFlorecita then replies "It was just the frame too, they had removed the wheels. Why not put it on the roof of the car?"

This all stems from Kirby making stuff up and individuals at Eurosport seemingly happy to push an assumption, something is suspicious without checking anything, despite having a relatively large following on Twitter and the ability to then report from that position of at least the cycling media and the influence that can have, even if not intended.
While you don't expect Kirby to be aware of anything, some basic common sense while watching tells you all you needed to know that it was just a mechanic putting a bike into a team car, like every mechanic does thousands of times a season.





Portal wrote that they did some recon after Romandie, Froome has been seen on Planche des Belles Filles, so, he needed a road bike.
 
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CTQ said:
samhocking said:
Well it goes to show how TV can perpetuate anything, when you have a fool leading and others want to make it something it probably isn't on social media.

Kirby, having just watched this live footage of Froome in an ITT on a TT bike with disc wheel, and then his road bike being filmed for some reason being carried by a mechanic, comments on live TV to thousands of cycling fans:
"This is Chris Froome's bike being handed back, having been monitored, presumably x-rayed, jigged, and the like"

Froome only finished 10 minutes earlier, he's still warming down on his TT bike lol!

Cyclingnews Journalist and administration here - Susan Westemeyer‏ then tweets "What was that with Froome's bike????"
Eurosport's Jose Been replies "we wondered also ;-0"
Susan Westemeyer replies "One could come up with all sorts of thoughts on that....."
thehog, presumably reading this on twitter then posts here "Dawg up to his old tricks again, looking for any advantage he can get"
LaFlorecita then replies "It was just the frame too, they had removed the wheels. Why not put it on the roof of the car?"

This all stems from Kirby making stuff up and individuals at Eurosport seemingly happy to push an assumption, something is suspicious without checking anything, despite having a relatively large following on Twitter and the ability to then report from that position of at least the cycling media and the influence that can have, even if not intended.
While you don't expect Kirby to be aware of anything, some basic common sense while watching tells you all you needed to know that it was just a mechanic putting a bike into a team car, like every mechanic does thousands of times a season.





Portal wrote that they did some recon after Romandie, Froome has been seen on Planche des Belles Filles, so, he needed a road bike.

It actually all stems from Froome being ridiculous

Our hapless hero's performances need explained away somehow.....
 
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Froome is either an enigmatic phenomenon who just didn't know how or didn't want to make the most of his potential until his Sky contract was in its last days or somebody who has found a really good way to dope. I really can't see any other possibility. So, with the former explanation seeming less plausible than the latter, its barely surprising that people view everything he does with scepticism. Of course, much of the wilder speculation is almost bound to be wrong. But you cannot blame people commenting for having a world-weary, jaded view. Especially in the context of the inconsistent and unlikely explanations given by Sky as a whole when probed on actual factual events such as Wiggins TUEs and mystery package.
 
I fail to see why Kirby is being blamed for a throw away line - It was never worthy of coverage anyway - Yet sad souls 'hang their hat' on this type of thing - It could have been worse - Imagine if the mechanic was carrying gummy bears - Then you'd have the perfect conspiricacy.
 
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samhocking said:
Well it goes to show how TV can perpetuate anything, when you have a fool leading and others want to make it something it probably isn't on social media.

Kirby, having just watched this live footage of Froome in an ITT on a TT bike with disc wheel, and then his road bike being filmed for some reason being carried by a mechanic, comments on live TV to thousands of cycling fans:
"This is Chris Froome's bike being handed back, having been monitored, presumably x-rayed, jigged, and the like"

Froome only finished 10 minutes earlier, he's still warming down on his TT bike lol!

Cyclingnews Journalist and administration here - Susan Westemeyer‏ then tweets "What was that with Froome's bike????"
Eurosport's Jose Been replies "we wondered also ;-0"
Susan Westemeyer replies "One could come up with all sorts of thoughts on that....."
thehog, presumably reading this on twitter then posts here "Dawg up to his old tricks again, looking for any advantage he can get"
LaFlorecita then replies "It was just the frame too, they had removed the wheels. Why not put it on the roof of the car?"

This all stems from Kirby making stuff up and individuals at Eurosport seemingly happy to push an assumption, something is suspicious without checking anything, despite having a relatively large following on Twitter and the ability to then report from that position of at least the cycling media and the influence that can have, even if not intended.
While you don't expect Kirby to be aware of anything, some basic common sense while watching tells you all you needed to know that it was just a mechanic putting a bike into a team car, like every mechanic does thousands of times a season.
Who do they check with that will tell them the truth?

Sky? :lol:

Froome? :lol:

Most mechanics put bikes on bike racks on cars. Broken bikes go in the boot or back car seats when there is no space.

Sky interns, tsk tsk........ :rolleyes:
 
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mcduff said:
Froome is either an enigmatic phenomenon who just didn't know how or didn't want to make the most of his potential until his Sky contract was in its last days or somebody who has found a really good way to dope. I really can't see any other possibility. So, with the former explanation seeming less plausible than the latter, its barely surprising that people view everything he does with scepticism. Of course, much of the wilder speculation is almost bound to be wrong. But you cannot blame people commenting for having a world-weary, jaded view. Especially in the context of the inconsistent and unlikely explanations given by Sky as a whole when probed on actual factual events such as Wiggins TUEs and mystery package.
I think you're quite right about the inevitable skepticism and the fact that some thing will get examined so much they get downright silly.

For my part I would believe no one whose performances were like what Froome has done. The fact he was a clown previously just makes it laughable.
 
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samhocking said:
Froome only finished 10 minutes earlier, he's still warming down on his TT bike lol!
I would tend to agree it's much ado about nothing. That said, is this an assumption on your part or did you see him warming down?

Personally unless I see a thing happening I would trust Sky about as far as I can throw their team bus.
 
10-20 min HR based progressive cool-down is part of Team Sky protocol, same as the step zone warm-ups. Obviously they don't force riders to do it, but I've only seen Froome not do an immediate 10-20 min progressive cool-down if he has podium duty etc. The amount of metabolic waste a cool-down removes from your muscles is not something you would give-up lightly. Out of all the marginal gains, the cool-down is certainly one sky introduced to cycling and now all teams use it. I remember teams laughing at Sky when they first started it when Kerrison joined, now they all do it too lol!
 
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samhocking said:
10-20 min HR based progressive cool-down is part of Team Sky protocol, same as the step zone warm-ups. Obviously they don't force riders to do it, but I've only seen Froome not do an immediate 10-20 min progressive cool-down if he has podium duty etc. The amount of metabolic waste a cool-down removes from your muscles is not something you would give-up lightly. Out of all the marginal gains, the cool-down is certainly one sky introduced to cycling and now all teams use it. I remember teams laughing at Sky when they first started it when Kerrison joined, now they all do it too lol!

Yeah, Sky introduced the cool down... please...

Sky introduced the, be seen to do cool downs
 
samhocking said:
10-20 min HR based progressive cool-down is part of Team Sky protocol, same as the step zone warm-ups. Obviously they don't force riders to do it, but I've only seen Froome not do an immediate 10-20 min progressive cool-down if he has podium duty etc. The amount of metabolic waste a cool-down removes from your muscles is not something you would give-up lightly. Out of all the marginal gains, the cool-down is certainly one sky introduced to cycling and now all teams use it. I remember teams laughing at Sky when they first started it when Kerrison joined, now they all do it too lol!
Were Sky actually the first ones to do it, though? I'm genuinely curious
 
We warmed down in PE class at age 10. Sky didn't invent anything - most teams laughed at them for touting their supposedly revolutionary approach that amounted to what everybody else had been doing quietly for ages, they weren't mocked for doing those things per se.

Sky may have been the first team to standardize the cooldown, though, instead of simply riding back to the hotel or whatever. But even that is not a given.
 
samhocking said:
10-20 min HR based progressive cool-down is part of Team Sky protocol, same as the step zone warm-ups. Obviously they don't force riders to do it, but I've only seen Froome not do an immediate 10-20 min progressive cool-down if he has podium duty etc. The amount of metabolic waste a cool-down removes from your muscles is not something you would give-up lightly. Out of all the marginal gains, the cool-down is certainly one sky introduced to cycling and now all teams use it. I remember teams laughing at Sky when they first started it when Kerrison joined, now they all do it too lol!
How do you come here with that BS? It has been disproved numerous times that Sky started it. Or are you just trolling again?
 
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When I was a club runner about 12 or so years ago we used to do cool-downs after evening interval sessions and tempo sessions.

We used to then spend a few minutes stretching, maybe this will be the next marginal gain.
 
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ebandit said:
BS? did team sky ever say they were 1st?...............................sure! it has been stated that it's good practice and many riders/teams did not..................

Mark L
Sky may not have stated they were first but their no.1 fan* made it sound like they were.



*See David Walsh.
 
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Benotti69 said:
ebandit said:
BS? did team sky ever say they were 1st?...............................sure! it has been stated that it's good practice and many riders/teams did not..................

Mark L
Sky may not have stated they were first but their no.1 fan* made it sound like they were.



*See David Walsh.
There are actually a lot of brainwashed idiots that think they were first
 
Nellyspania said:
When I was a club runner about 12 or so years ago we used to do cool-downs after evening interval sessions and tempo sessions.

We used to then spend a few minutes stretching, maybe this will be the next marginal gain.

Warm downs and warm ups have exisited since the beginning of time. The change was the wind trainer. When they became light enough it made better sense for teams to warm up and down at the front of the team bus rather than ride the streets or back down the mountain. Due to this it meant the media could take footage of the riders. It is much a marketing concept as good sports practice.

Delgado in the 1989 Tour de France was late for the opening prologue because he got lost in the small streets, warming up. It had always been there, it just wasn't always visible.

The concept is not new and every rider and team warmed up & down.
 
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mcduff said:
...ahh, but Team Sky were the first to put a press release out about it.

Credit where credit is due, please.
Oh well if we are going to give them credit where it is due, we have to point out that Team Sky were the first team to appoint a 'Head of Winning Behaviours' :lol:

That is why TeamSky are the best team in the world. ;)
 
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Benotti69 said:
mcduff said:
...ahh, but Team Sky were the first to put a press release out about it.

Credit where credit is due, please.
Oh well if we are going to give them credit where it is due, we have to point out that Team Sky were the first team to appoint a 'Head of Winning Behaviours' :lol:

That is why TeamSky are the best team in the world. ;)
They are the best in the world because they win the most coveted prize in cycling and have the strongest GT rider of the past 5 years. :) :razz:
 
ok so what is up with him, he got beat by Porte, Valverde, Contador in the ITT today.....is it because Sky under scrutiny? He has not look sharp at all this year. Off the juice?
 
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gmedina said:
ok so what is up with him, he got beat by Porte, Valverde, Contador in the ITT today.....is it because Sky under scrutiny? He has not look sharp at all this year. Off the juice?
So, by your logic anybody on the juice can turn up and win.
*** I should get on the froome juice. Win some tours :lol: :lol:
 

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