Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[mastersracer]

Well OK then

I see what you did there. Removing the 'do not.' You're too witty by half.

 

[enrecul]

And to think the word "only" worked so well on the Cobo thread last year! I think you guys are in a small minority if you consider Wiggins' performances less believable than Froome's. Both in terms of the media and this forum. Not that being in a minority makes you wrong.

Anyway, the thread is here in anticipation that Froome is a name that won't quietly disappear into the annals of history with everyone satisfied that everything checks out and is tickety-boo.

Here was an excellent sample of one of Froome’s pre-Vuelta efforts back in 2009, when he felt confident enough to launch an attack.



In the words of Mathew Kelly. "What an amazing transformation!"

Holy Moses, I thought he was going to fall off of his bike!!

 

[airstream]

You believe sky is doping.

Mastersracer believes everyone who suspects sky dope ought to be in a mental assylum.

Not an irreconcilable difference?

The strongest teams and riders always had a pharmacological edge in addition to a physical one. It is cycling common truth. I think almost no one on here would argue with that. However, exactly Sky case bring so a mass hysteria on the forum. Apparently, LA's affair exasperated the Clinic to the bitter end. I know many clinic regulars firmly believe in Lemond's cleanliness. They are entitled to believe. Though, I disagree.

Yes, Sky use doping, but I don't see why they are more sinful in this aspect than others. Very likely, Sky use more advanced doping than all the rest, but this circumstance doesn't make them more honest, innocent and clean.

There are many comparisons to US Postal. But somehow no one noticed that when US Postal towed LA, no one could attack and no one tried, with Sky we observe plenty of that. Plus, US Postal didn't have such a superior set of climbers like Sky have.

And I'm openly asking Fearless Greg Lemond and administrator ferryman stop calling my post trolling. Learn to take opinions you dislike, dear gentlemen.

 

[DirtyWorks]

There are many comparisons to US Postal. But somehow no one noticed that when US Postal towed LA, no one could attack and no one tried, with Sky we observe plenty of that.

You are just making this stuff up. You didn't even bother looking at the TdF GC results for 2012. All of 2012 when Sky's GC team was on-cycle, it was a historic display of dominance. Except for that last TT in 2012 when everyone on the GC squad returned to their historic norms.

I'm not sure what your endgame is here, but the facts are working against you.

 

[Benotti69]

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Yes, Sky use doping, but I don't see why they are more sinful in this aspect than others. Very likely, Sky use more advanced doping than all the rest, but this circumstance doesn't make them more honest, innocent and clean.

What a load of tosh. So doping is ok. Well then why post in the clinic?

Sky are claiming they are clean? OPQS are not! Neither are other big teams.

That is why they are getting slaughtered in the clinic. It is taken for granted that most of the others are by the mere silence on doping. that Sky proclaims its cleanliness while destroying and dominating races means people are going to call them on it.

 

[del1962]

What a load of tosh. So doping is ok. Well then why post in the clinic?

Sky are claiming they are clean? OPQS are not! Neither are other big teams.

That is why they are getting slaughtered in the clinic. It is taken for granted that most of the others are by the mere silence on doping. that Sky proclaims its cleanliness while destroying and dominating races means people are going to call them on it.

Perhaps you could point to where these team say they are not clean, because by signing up to UCI rules they are claiming to be clean.

 

[Ripper]

I see what you did there. Removing the 'do not.' You're too witty by half.

I crack myself up

 

[airstream]

You are just making this stuff up. You didn't even bother looking at the TdF GC results for 2012.

For me it means the only thing: Sky are not so centralized like US Postal and allow many riders to show themselves up. In addition, Sky riders are obviously sronger separates units than US Postal ones.

All of 2012 when Sky's GC team was on-cycle, it was a historic display of dominance.

And what? Dominance gets on you more than alleged doping?

Except for that last TT in 2012 when everyone on the GC squad returned to their historic norms.

Do any 'historic norms' exist in this regard? I didn't know about that. Honestly, I suppose following the sports for many years may play an evil joke in this case. There are no objective rules because it is an unpredictable sport in which we will always hit something new. Historic parallels are ephemeral, sandy, unsteady.

What a load of tosh. So doping is ok. Well then why post in the clinic?

Hm... It seems to me that an anti doping fighter (a clinic regular) &#8800]
Sky are claiming they are clean? OPQS are not! Neither are other big teams.[/quote]
Does anyone claim anything different?

That is why they are getting slaughtered in the clinic. It is taken for granted that most of the others are by the mere silence on doping.

It is just as ridiculous as trying to measure hypocrisy by a straightedge. Doping here and doping there. I don't see the difference between calm doping usage and 'noisy' doping usage promoted by Sky.

 

[thehog]

Looks like the Dawg is going to go full *** !

Hasn't even been in the wind tunnel yet !

But he says: “I don’t feel like I’ve hit my best form yet. It’s been good but not like I’ve been absolutely flying yet. I feel on the rise but I’ve still got a few weeks to the Tour, there’s still headroom.”

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/oth...s-and-winning-the-tour-de-france-8637316.html

 

[JimmyFingers]

Looks like the Dawg is going to go full *** !

Hasn't even been in the wind tunnel yet !

null points monsieur:

"I'm not actually sure that my climbing would be necessarily better than any of my rivals," Froome said. "But the time trial is something I've been working on quite a bit. I went to the wind tunnel for the first time a week ago so that was interesting to see if there are any small changes I can make there to get a bit faster."

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/538633/chris-froome-dauphine-this-year-is-a-mini-tour-de-france.html

 

[thehog]

null points monsieur:



http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/538633/chris-froome-dauphine-this-year-is-a-mini-tour-de-france.html

His second three-week training block finished there two weekends ago before he flew back home to Monaco to celebrate his birthday before heading to Southampton to work in the wind tunnel there to focus on his time trialling, an area he is still trying to improve.

Despite winning bronze in the discipline at last year’s Olympics, he said: “I still feel like I have a lot more work to do on it and the wind tunnel, which I’d never been in before, was aimed at shaving off even more time if possible.”

The Dawg can't keep his stories straight.

Apart from BADZHILLA!!!!!

Froome has fought a long battle with bilharzia, a parasite that attacks the body and is notoriously difficult to shake off. He was tested for it in January (he is checked every six months) and once more the tests came back positive, leading him to take another course of biltricide, what is effectively poison.

“It’s a bit of a nightmare as it can lay dormant for ages,” says the Team Sky rider, who has undergone five separate treatments to rid his body of the *parasite. “I think that’s probably the biggest concern for me, in terms of training and preparing for a Grand Tour.”

 

[BroDeal]

Don't worry. These outbreaks of badzhilla only occur during the off-season. It is one of the most conveniently timed diseases you can come down with.

 

[the sceptic]

Oh, guess Dawg will be pushing 480 watts as well this year now that he has discovered wind tunnels.

What do you say Jimmy, do you think Froome is clean? or are you "not sure" about him.

 

[Netserk]

Both articles published on the same day

 

[JimmyFingers]

Oh, guess Dawg will be pushing 480 watts as well this year now that he has discovered wind tunnels.

What do you say Jimmy, do you think Froome is clean? or are you "not sure" about him.

I'll admit his transformation is extreme, which I know rings the most alarms. I'd also say the bilharzia is convenient to muddy the waters of that transformation, but there is a degree of plausibility to it aswell, as there is plausibility to that transformation coming through drugs.

So I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt until I know otherwise. At that point the beers are on me

 

[Netserk]

I'll admit his transformation is extreme, which I know rings the most alarms. I'd also say the bilharzia is convenient to muddy the waters of that transformation, but there is a degree of plausibility to it aswell, as there is plausibility to that transformation coming through drugs.

So I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt until I know otherwise. At that point the beers are on me

Ad libitum?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Well if we're going to make a night of it we might be better with wine since I sell the stuff and get a hefty staff discount, just 5% over cost

 

[The Hitch]

Ah so the olympic time trial bronze medalist finally went into a wind tunnel.

I see what Sir Dave Brunyeel is doing. Sky are going to train it up the mountains so so they can say that no single rider is killing it like Armstrong.

In the tt Froome is going to go twice as fast as Armstrong ever managed but all the journos will be told to ignore the tts like with wiggins last year and make a big deal out of the fact that he never went solo in the climbs.

 

[the sceptic]

Its funny that the guy that was beating Cancellara all year last year didnt really even bother with time trials that much. But now that he has trained, and been in a wind tunnel, he is going to go like Lord Wiggins in 2012.

 

[thehog]

Its funny that the guy that was beating Cancellara all year last year didnt really even bother with time trials that much. But now that he has trained, and been in a wind tunnel, he is going to go like Lord Wiggins in 2012.

The biggest problem Sky and the Dawg are going to have its winning and making it look somewhat real.

 

[Bexon30]

The biggest problem Sky and the Dawg are going to have its winning and making it look somewhat real.

Mmm not really... Most Froome fans took up cycling and watching the sport in July 2012 so it's normal for SKY to dominate.

I mean I don't know any Froome fans from 2008. Not 1.

 

[blackcat]

Mmm not really... Most Froome fans took up cycling and watching the sport in July 2012 so it's normal for SKY to dominate.

I mean I don't know any Froome fans from 2008. Not 1.

michelle cound?

 

[blackcat]

The strongest teams and riders always had a pharmacological edge in addition to a physical one. It is cycling common truth. I think almost no one on here would argue with that. However, exactly Sky case bring so a mass hysteria on the forum. Apparently, LA's affair exasperated the Clinic to the bitter end. I know many clinic regulars firmly believe in Lemond's cleanliness. They are entitled to believe. Though, I disagree.

Yes, Sky use doping, but I don't see why they are more sinful in this aspect than others. Very likely, Sky use more advanced doping than all the rest, but this circumstance doesn't make them more honest, innocent and clean.

There are many comparisons to US Postal. But somehow no one noticed that when US Postal towed LA, no one could attack and no one tried, with Sky we observe plenty of that. Plus, US Postal didn't have such a superior set of climbers like Sky have.

And I'm openly asking Fearless Greg Lemond and administrator ferryman stop calling my post trolling. Learn to take opinions you dislike, dear gentlemen.

i like the post. wholeheartedly agree, so element of confirmation bias going on.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Mmm not really... Most Froome fans took up cycling and watching the sport in July 2012 so it's normal for SKY to dominate.

I mean I don't know any Froome fans from 2008. Not 1.

blackcat's the nearest the forum has to somebody who believed in Froome and thinks that he is this talented. And blackcat thinks Froome is doping iirc, just that he's only doping like everybody else, and talent is carrying the rest.

Similarly, I'm from the other side of the debate. I think Froome had schistosomiasis and it is to a large extent responsible for his lack of development over a period from 2009 to mid 2011, however its characteristics are such that it is incredibly convenient as a story - it renders his blood passport nigh on useless by attacking his red blood cells, it comes and goes at intervals that seem to be incredibly non-random, in that it attacks and causes him to do badly but stays away when he's at season goals, and enables him to transform from pack fodder to world beater in less time than it takes to say "Santiago Pérez."

 

[Taxus4a]

Mmm not really... Most Froome fans took up cycling and watching the sport in July 2012 so it's normal for SKY to dominate.

I mean I don't know any Froome fans from 2008. Not 1.

I was after his first Tour de France, I can prove that, and I am spanish.
Froome was in Santarem, Portugal, in 2008m at the level in ITT of Kloden, Bodrogi and Taaramae.
Froome was 14th in the last ITT of the Tour.
In Vuelta a Asturias similar level, not far from Samu, the winner of the ITT, Froome was begining in profesional cycling then. A lot to learn for him.