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thehog said:It's actually an interesting question.
What's the general opinion on Spanish forums of Contador doping and Froome (potential) doping?
hrotha said:I can only speak of Parlamento Ciclista, where the overwhelming majority thinks that Contador is a doper, Sky is a farce and Froome is ridiculous even by Sky's standards.
hrotha said:I can only speak of Parlamento Ciclista, where the overwhelming majority thinks that Contador is a doper, Sky is a farce and Froome is ridiculous even by Sky's standards.
hrotha said:I can only speak of Parlamento Ciclista, where the overwhelming majority thinks that Contador is a doper, Sky is a farce and Froome is ridiculous even by Sky's standards.
horsinabout said:Froome's level of transformation by anyone's estimations must be viewed, even by the most moderate sceptics amongst us, to be suspicious.
Heckler said:I believe one of the biggest issues is that if it is not 100% natural, it is probably 100% legal within the existing rules. It is also Very Expensive.
horsinabout said:Taxus4a. Thank you for the post. Your translations is very good. I don't think I could have done the same in Spanish!
As for the content I remain incredulous to the supposed natural talents of Froome. His main transformation has come under Sky/BC banner. How relevant this is I don't fully understand, but have my suspicions.
It appears there may be an unpleasant trend emerging in sport today, where the relatively ordinary can be transformed into world beater. I think this could well be what we are witnessing in the case of Froome.
Froome's level of transformation by anyone's estimations must be viewed, even by the most moderate sceptics amongst us, to be suspicious.
hrotha said:I can only speak of Parlamento Ciclista, where the overwhelming majority thinks that Contador is a doper, Sky is a farce and Froome is ridiculous even by Sky's standards.
Ah, of course, your secret PMs. How could I forget about them.Taxus4a said:Just a few days ago a administrator of that forum told me that he dont think that, but he has fear to writte about.
I know other people that just stopped to writte for that.
hrotha said:Ah, of course, your secret PMs. How could I forget about them.
Give it a rest.
Taxus4a said:So try to put your target in my arguments, not in other aspects. If I do that, I wouldnt answer you for personal motives, but I try to forget the person an focus in the argument.
horsinabout said:Taxus4a.
It appears there may be an unpleasant trend emerging in sport today, where the relatively ordinary can be transformed into world beater. I think this could well be what we are witnessing in the case of Froome.
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Yep, in about two months time, but, I agree, just a little transformer.Taxus4a said:Yes, he did a little bit transformation as well, doing pilates and things like that, he got a better body, thinner, but that is not the main point, thta is a circusntance as well of to be in a good team as SKY, with good professionals (as any other big team, but in SKY more)
JimmyFingers said:No you see Taxus4a, what's required to get a free pass around here in a solid, predictable progression: good junior results, decent neo-pro standings, start winning early and then riders should lock into a continual form they shouldn't deviate from. No good or bad patches, just consistent results throughout their career, then they retire.
Basically be Lemond.
Coming from a different continent, having a disease, having poor technical skills does not compute, syntax error, system breakdown, must be a doper.
That's despite the acceptance that riders have been doping extensively for years and from early ages, which calls into question any riders 'progression', predictable and with a modest curve, or leaping around all over the place.
Best of all you need to be Southern European and attack all the time and then they don't really care what you drugs take to do it.
Benotti69 said:If you gonna win a GT and proclaim to be clean doing it, you need to show some kind of talent at a young age, early 20s.
That Froome came from nowhere in the Vuelta does not fit in with clean cycling. Using bilharzia as an excuse is right up there with all the other excuses dopers have given for extreme jumps in ability from grupettos to podiums.
To race consistently high for 3 weeks is only for the few. It is something one is born with, a constitution that is evident from an early age.
JimmyFingers said:No you see Taxus4a, what's required to get a free pass around here in a solid, predictable progression: good junior results, decent neo-pro standings, start winning early and then riders should lock into a continual form they shouldn't deviate from. No good or bad patches, just consistent results throughout their career, then they retire.
Basically be Lemond.
Coming from a different continent, having a disease, having poor technical skills does not compute, syntax error, system breakdown, must be a doper.
That's despite the acceptance that riders have been doping extensively for years and from early ages, which calls into question any riders 'progression', predictable and with a modest curve, or leaping around all over the place.
Best of all you need to be Southern European and attack all the time and then they don't really care what you drugs take to do it.
Zam_Olyas said:And if you come from england or great britain you are not doping and should not be suspected because it is not in your nature to dope.
JRTinMA said:Wait a minute! Did Jimbo take a shot at Contador?!? Not cool Jimmy, not cool.
JimmyFingers said:No you see Taxus4a, what's required to get a free pass around here in a solid, predictable progression: good junior results, decent neo-pro standings, start winning early and then riders should lock into a continual form they shouldn't deviate from. No good or bad patches, just consistent results throughout their career, then they retire.
Basically be Lemond.
Coming from a different continent, having a disease, having poor technical skills does not compute, syntax error, system breakdown, must be a doper.
That's despite the acceptance that riders have been doping extensively for years and from early ages, which calls into question any riders 'progression', predictable and with a modest curve, or leaping around all over the place.
Best of all you need to be Southern European and attack all the time and then they don't really care what you drugs take to do it.