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Completely different topic but, everything else being equal, if I had to choose to go to work for Riis or Brailsford, it would take me 10 seconds to get on the Saxo bus.

On topic, I don't think Brailsford knows exactly what team Froome is up to. I think if team Froome is up to something, it's spectacularly, science fiction evil.
 
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eh....an observation if I may....Pre-road, Evans was a world class mtber..world cups, world champs, olympics...you name it he did it..

Pre road Froome was...eh...a crap mtber...way, way, way down at 2006 Commie Games...to name but one hardly illustrious international event he showed such early promise in...;)

that's what's up :)

Cuddles clean? I think the reason he isn't hammered on in the clinic is that he is generally a nice guy who has really hasn't won much but tried a lot. I thought cuddles was very likely juiced and thenl the Ferrari encounter came out and he said I saw him for "advice"...ha-ha...don't they all say that?
 
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Cuddles clean? I think the reason he isn't hammered on in the clinic is that he is generally a nice guy who has really hasn't won much but tried a lot. I thought cuddles was very likely juiced and thenl the Ferrari encounter came out and he said I saw him for "advice"...ha-ha...don't they all say that?

I'm not saying he's clean...I'm saying that the differecne between him and Froome as night and day

he's been successful since day one...and not just successful...world class

Froome....well....he's not been...
 
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Just so you know Bobby J never doped when he joined CSC in 2004. The sudden return to form had nothing to do with doping at because he stopped in 1998. Well he stopped using EPO in 1998 :rolleyes:

Yes, isn't it great how some of these dopers achieved their best results after they quit doping. Amazing.
 

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Yes, isn't it great how some of these dopers achieved their best results after they quit doping. Amazing.

I know. I think that’s what BJ passed down to Sky. If you don’t dope you go faster.
 
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thehog said:
Possible. Probably not.

CN: Finally - Bjarne [Riis] seems to get the best out of a lot of people. Why is that?

BJ: Well, he doesn't have any magic sprinkle dust that he throws over us or some magic spell. I think that his main gift is that he can pick riders who will work well together, get along, and produce good results. And be friends. I think that's his main gift; how he can select the riders from so many different countries and yet still make it work. Now we have 30 guys, yet everyone gets along well. There is no tension in the team and if there is, we know how to fix it and not let it eat at you.


http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/riders/2006/interviews/?id=bobby_julich_mar06

"special" lunch bags for everyone!
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Has Julich had anything negative to say (about Sky, not necessarily about doping but just a more two-sided discussion of the organisation), or is it all a very bland "I've doped, and I've seen doped riders, and these guys aren't doped riders" kind of statement that tells us very little in real terms?

I mean, you could argue that a lot of people hung a lot of faith in guys like David Moncoutié because of Gaumont, but Gaumont explicitly announced that his whole team were doping, including several who hadn't been explicitly fingered as dopers, so as he had seemingly nothing to gain from the statements and was actually standing to lose by alienating peers who were now being accused of doping by a teammate, the excluding of Moncoutié and Tombak from the accusations carried a lot more weight in the public eye.

Julich is the man that presided over Froome's miracle transformation, so although he doesn't work for Team Sky anymore, if Froome's transformation that Julich oversaw turned out to be a fraud, it may impact Julich's future job prospects. It could be that he had nothing to say along Gaumont's lines because there was no doping that he saw.

However, having people who have been "in the loop" at Sky and people on the Murdoch payroll saying "Froome's clean. Sky are all clean. It's all super mega clean awesome yea!" is, unfortunately, inherently suspicious in and of itself, even with the résumés of the sources involved. They don't have the 'burning my own bridges by telling the truth' factor that made Gaumont, Hamilton or even Kohl more believable, and as a result it is not surprising if, in view of just how unpalatable the sudden change of Team Sky into all-conquering assassins who destroy world class fields of cycling while breathing through their noses has been in terms of immediate believability in the context of cycling history, people are suspicious of the motives of the people making those assertions to Froome's cleanliness.

Let's just say for argument's sake Leinders was the doping mastermind behind Sky's success last season with full backing of the management of the team.

He has now been removed from the team along with Julich and de Jongh. It could be said that this would leave Sky open to one of these guys spilling it all out in the open due to them not being happy at their exclusion over their past doping and a BS ZTP policy coming in that would be a fraud. This all while Wiggins, Froome, Brailsford and co carry on with their squeaky clean PR image as if nothing was wrong.

The argument goes both ways surely.
 
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gooner said:
Let's just say for argument's sake Leinders was the doping mastermind behind Sky's success last season with full backing of the management of the team.

He has now been removed from the team along with Julich and de Jongh. It could be said that this would leave Sky open to one of these guys spilling it all out in the open due to them not being happy at their exclusion over their past doping and a BS ZTP policy coming in that would be a fraud. This all while Wiggins, Froome, Brailsford and co carry on with their squeaky clean PR image as if nothing was wrong.

The argument goes both ways surely.

yeah, right when they are crazy. Have you ever seen any famous doping doctor confessed yet? Keeping things discreet is their No 1 priority. One person could spill everything out is Sir Wiggins when he was well into his late fifties. LOL
 
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maxmartin said:
yeah, right when they are crazy. Have you ever seen any famous doping doctor confessed yet? Keeping things discreet is their No 1 priority. One person could spill everything out is Sir Wiggins when he was well into his late fifties. LOL

Were any of those doctors let go due a ZTP like Sky?
 
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gooner said:
Were any of those doctors let go due a ZTP like Sky?

It does not matter if these doctors/coaches still want future clients. I can imagine Julich working happily in BMC. If they spill the beans, their career is over. BTW, we don't know what really happened behind the curtain. Maybe SKY already paid Leiders and others quite substantial fee to make them more than happy to stay put . I hope Belgium authority can get hands on Leinders' all financial accounts figuring out how much exactly SKY have paid him for his part time consulting job.
 
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maxmartin said:
yeah, right when they are crazy. Have you ever seen any famous doping doctor confessed yet? Keeping things discreet is their No 1 priority. One person could spill everything out is Sir Wiggins when he was well into his late fifties. LOL

Or, maybe, Cavendish? His transfer, with no money changing hands, took quite a while for an agreement that all were in favor of...
 
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Heckler said:
Or, maybe, Cavendish? His transfer, with no money changing hands, took quite a while for an agreement that all were in favor of...

Cav maybe was not involved in their scheme in the first place. Cav already had his own way before joining SKY. And correct me if I am wrong, I don't think he was part of the Tenerife training group.
 
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maxmartin said:
It does not matter if these doctors/coaches still want future clients. I can imagine Julich working happily in BMC. If they spill the beans, their career is over. BTW, we don't know what really happened behind the curtain. Maybe SKY already paid Leiders and others quite substantial fee to make them more than happy to stay put . I hope Belgium authority can get hands on Leinders' all financial accounts figuring out how much exactly SKY have paid him for his part time consulting job.

Leinders is finished. No team will employ him again so it won't make a difference.
 
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gooner said:
Leinders is finished. No team will employ him again so it won't make a difference.

LOL dude are you really this pure and naive?:D Dr. Ferrari and others probably will laugh their asses off when they read this.
 

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gooner said:
Leinders is finished. No team will employ him again so it won't make a difference.

If anything his value just went up!

He just added Wiggins to his CV and no positives.

Besides cycling teams don't pay enough.

The money is in consultancy.
 
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thehog said:
If anything his value just went up!

He just added Wiggins to his CV and no positives.

Besides cycling teams don't pay enough.

The money is in consultancy.

Yep, if Froom wins this year. That will be THREE different Tour champions on his resume. In my opinion that is even better than F's seven Tour same person result. He undoubtedly is the hottest commodity in pro-cycling.
 
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the sceptic said:
how do you know he isnt being employed now? unofficially of course

maxmartin said:
LOL dude are you really this pure and naive?:D Dr. Ferrari and others probably will laugh their asses off when they read this.

He's not anywhere near on the same level as Ferrari or Fuentes who worked on a more wider scale with riders across many teams. This is known. Leinders has been known to work only with the team he has been employed by. This is fact and not baseless innuendo that he is working freelance away from it. Nothing whatsoever has been shown to say he worked outside of Rabobank for the 13 years he was there or the time he was at Sky. Unless you know something I don't.

Anything else said is just baseless speculation.

I'm not playing down his influence. I already said he was more along the lines of del Moral or Celaya than a Ferrari or Fuentes.
 
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He was a senior member of the Rabo staff, his goals were aligned with the team goals, it would be counter-productive to help outsiders. That is what good old fashioned internal programs were about.

Ok he advised Sven on the side, but I don't think he was a threat to Menchov.
 
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maxmartin said:
Cav maybe was not involved in their scheme in the first place. Cav already had his own way before joining SKY. And correct me if I am wrong, I don't think he was part of the Tenerife training group.

I'm a biased fan, so I'm not implicating him. But he's no dummy and it took an unusually long (silent) time for his transfer.

I do feel a little foolish for that post though.
 
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gooner said:
He's not anywhere near on the same level as Ferrari or Fuentes who worked on a more wider scale with riders across many teams. This is known. Leinders has been known to work only with the team he has been employed by. This is fact and not baseless innuendo that he is working freelance away from it. Nothing whatsoever has been shown to say he worked outside of Rabobank for the 13 years he was there or the time he was at Sky. Unless you know something I don't.

Anything else said is just baseless speculation.

I'm not playing down his influence. I already said he was more along the lines of del Moral or Celaya than a Ferrari or Fuentes.

Be patient. Leinders is not officially sanctioned yet, is he? He just started to build and spread his reputation. After his official sanction, he probably will work like Dr. F.
 
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gooner said:
He's not anywhere near on the same level as Ferrari or Fuentes who worked on a more wider scale with riders across many teams. This is known. Leinders has been known to work only with the team he has been employed by. This is fact and not baseless innuendo that he is working freelance away from it. Nothing whatsoever has been shown to say he worked outside of Rabobank for the 13 years he was there or the time he was at Sky. Unless you know something I don't.

Anything else said is just baseless speculation.

I'm not playing down his influence. I already said he was more along the lines of del Moral or Celaya than a Ferrari or Fuentes.

How do you explain that sky are as good if not better than last year then? did they have another doc ready to jump in and replace him like nothing happened?
 
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Ferminal said:
He was a senior member of the Rabo staff, his goals were aligned with the team goals, it would be counter-productive to help outsiders. That is what good old fashioned internal programs were about.

Ok he advised Sven on the side, but I don't think he was a threat to Menchov.

also this;)
 
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Oh Nys didn't leave Rabo until 2008 so Leinders wouldn't have been there either if he was giving training plans advice after that.