Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[goggalor]

froome also could have paced himself better. He spent a lot of energy on attacks.

And chatting to DB on the radio.

 

[The Hitch]

Sshhh, you're spoiling the fun.

There are quite legitimate counter arguments to that and they have been made.

Feel free to adress them after you get over the "I know you are but what am I" school of debating.

 

[Franklin]

Pretty sure Froomedawg would be a few minutes faster too, if he was going full gas the entire climb and didnt already have 200km+ in his legs

And didn't have to have a chat with Quintana and got a phone call from his mother in law

Sorry deValtos, but everyone realizes that you are just blowing a smokescreen. It's tiresome, everyone knows where you stand and that it is alas for you not supported by the data.

You need to manipulate to get your point across... and it failed. And it's rather bad form to come out when exposed "Uhm yeah, I knew this data is bogus from the ITT". Are you here to discuss or to derail?

 

[beowulf]

Chris Froome went up this climb as fast as he wanted to, noone was anywhere near his level today. He won in 3rd gear/trot.

The only time he went top speed was whizzing past Contador, never seen anyone accelerate like that - not even Lance.

Chicken and Alberto having some fun.

It starts at about 25 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WRqxW9Jyt8

 

[whittashau]

The stage in 2009 was over 50k shorter than today's btw

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Nothing out of the ordinary:

https://twitter.com/Scienceofsport/status/356425009620725761

that tweet is from earlier in the day...turns out the time is looking just as suspicious now.

 

[No_Balls]

Chicken and Alberto having some fun.

It starts at about 25 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WRqxW9Jyt8

I guess you Sky-drones is having a great time remembering the past when reality is knocking on the door today.

 

[deValtos]

And didn't have to have a chat with Quintana and got a phone call from his mother in law

Sorry deValtos, but everyone realizes that you are just blowing a smokescreen. It's tiresome, everyone knows where you stand and that it is alas for you not supported by the data.

You need to manipulate to get your point across... and it failed. And it's rather bad form to come out when exposed "Uhm yeah, I knew this data is bogus from the ITT". Are you here to discuss or to derail?

I just gave you the times, you can do what you want with the times.

As for where I stand I think I posted it earlier, that I'm undecided on whether Froome is doping or not. Is that a problem ?

Edit: Actually I just re read your post, considering I was the first one to post that the 2004&1999 times were from an ITT I hardly see how that's being exposed ?

 

[beowulf]

I guess you Sky-drones is having a great time remembering the past when reality is knocking on the door today.

I can assure you I am not a Sky-drone and believe Froome to be doping. Part of the reason is because he reminds me so much of Rasmussen.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

Sshhh, you're spoiling the fun.

I'm bringin the fun back.

#TDF, Stage 15. Mont Ventoux (last 15.65 km). Chris Froome's climbing time is the 2nd fastest in the Tour de France in the 21st century.

Nothing out of the ordinary, my ***! This climb was ridden by blood doped LA, blood doped Jan, blood doped Pantani and blood doped Beloki in 2000 and 2002.

2 secs slower than LA's best time. Not bad after a 240 km stage ridden at break neck speeds.

 

[bigcog]

two secs slower than LA says no.

Let me guess you've got an O level in combined biology/chemistry

 

[bigcog]

Let me guess you've got an O level in combined biology/chemistry

Well that's what the sports scientist is saying, who supposedly is a reputable source for this sort of information, as opposed to conspiracy theorists pulling bs out of their a**. GIGO.

 

[buckle]

And chatting to DB on the radio.

I thought he was listening to the cricket.

 

[T-Nielsen]

I know people go nuts over the MTFs Froome has won. but imho the TT is the most suspicious.

 

[Bicycle]

What is striking is that Froome could win this race without drawing such attention - like Wiggins. So either he is clean or he is certain he won't be caught.

 

[petelow]

L'Alpe x2 d'huez predictions?

How do Sky and Vroom play it for the double d' stage?

1 - Froome is made to look like he's suffering by letting a few of his nearest rivals up the road and having Porte 'pace' him behind by about a minute or even two since he can afford it?

2 - Full gas with running live commentary by Froome himself as he has to brake his way up around the hairpins?

At this point I'd rather not see the predictably controlled or even made to look like he's a bit tired game and see him absolutely go full gas and end this tour more than 10 minutes up on everyone. It's more fun to watch.

Froome could have gone faster today, I'm disappointed in him. He was chatting away to everyone on the way up. He should shut up and show us what's possible.

 

[Franklin]

Chicken and Alberto having some fun.

It starts at about 25 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WRqxW9Jyt8

This reinforces the point.

But those two were primarily climbers. Froome started out as a TT specialist.

Froome has the body of Chicken, but he rides like Lance.

 

[bigcog]

I can assure you I am not a Sky-drone and believe Froome to be doping. Part of the reason is because he reminds me so much of Rasmussen.

well that's scientific

 

[luckyboy]

lol anyone remember this..

 

[Franklin]

I know people go nuts over the MTFs Froome has won. but imho the TT is the most suspicious.

Why? He has always been a decent TT specilaist... and the last three years he has been absolute top in the TT. His second spot in the first TT was to be expected.

It's the combination of climbing and TTing that's so troublesome. I can only think of Lance of someone who was top dog on both disciplines.

 

[MizunoMX20]

I am sorry some of you guys can´t believe in miracles...

I think Froome just wanna show everybody (Brailsford inclusive) that he was truly p.i$$ed for two years to have to sit behind boring and weaker than him Wiggins. He is on a mission. No holds barred.

He might dope, he may not.

But i don´t understand the hate towards him. He is like Ullrich: Humble in interviews. You never hear a bad word from him. No personal attacks like Armstrong. He just "diesel it up" (ok, Ullrich never accelareted like him today, but otherwise Froome reminds me of his beautiful style).
No-nonsense in the saddle like the Schlecks and AC used to bore us with, less than two years ago.
No pointless gifts like Armstrong, that just lead to more sore apples.
And most importantly: no arrogant behavior like Armstrong. So after all i like this guy until (if he ever) gets caught.
I truly enjoy the ride. Who knows when will ever see such ecxiting (& most importantly fruitful) attacks again.

His attacks are of course exciting for all the wrong reasons. It just looks so wrong.

 

[Telmisartan]

I am rapidly joining Preudhomme in becoming a fully paid up member of The Dawg's superfanclub,then i look at his ITT and climbing performances pre Vuelta '11 and think again.Froome's times today and Aix 3 Domaines are totally irrelevant,the historical information says all.Julich's defence about Chris not having race smarts pre 2011 is as hollow and transparent as you get.

 

[Franklin]

well that's scientific

Well, statistics are also science. The odds against Froome are extremely heavily stacked against him.

As you like science I conclude you fully agree he probably is doping. Thanks for making that clear.

 

[T-Nielsen]

Why? He has always been a decent TT specilaist... and the last three years he has been absolute top in the TT. His second spot in the first TT was to be expected.

It's the combination of climbing and TTing that's so troublesome. I can only think of Lance of someone who was top dog on both disciplines.

Because having a rider as skinny as Froome keeping up with a relative heavy as Tony Martin on a flat TT requires an amazing amount of power.

 

[armchairclimber]

He's bloody good isn't he?
He hasn't won yet but it looks as though only bad luck stands in his way. Fair play to The Hitch ... although his ranking system for riders seems to have vastly over-estimated Contador's true (clean) ability. At least we can now see just how juiced Contador was.

Now, about Quintana.