Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[the sceptic]

Contador is a proved and convicted doper. Froome, not a single proof for now. My religion (christian) and especially my profession (lawyer) tells me not to throw stones to somebody until he is proved as a theft (professional speaking here). As for today Contador is a former theft and Froome is the yellow jersey in the centenary of the biggest sport event in the world.

Thats good to know but last time i checked the clinic wasnt a courtroom or a church so how is proof or faith relevant here?

 

[H2OUUP2]

Contador is a proved and convicted doper. Froome, not a single proof for now. My religion (christian) and especially my profession (lawyer) tells me not to throw stones to somebody until he is proved as a theft (professional speaking here). As for today Contador is a former theft and Froome is the yellow jersey in the centenary of the biggest sport event in the world.

Alright, that's it. If Lawyers are backing Froome then he's definitely cheating. That's proof enough for me right there.

 

[Logic Al]

That's the beauty of this technique. it leaves the work on others. As the opposition is diverse, they are never going to come to a consensus. Even if they do, they are not going to agree on whatever DB finally gives. And thhere will always be one section who will think DB has done enough, and another which will say tat DB wasn't open.

This approach of dealing with media is extremely popular with politicians, and it works everytime.

hmm, i'm never heard a politician asked the media to all group together and come back with the most challenging question possible, would be suicidal!

seems like people don't want to be proved right (or risk they are wrong)

Brailsford (whatever his motives) as put an offer in, best way of exposing Froome is to take that up. Yet nobody seems interested

 

[Red Lobster]

My religion (christian) and especially my profession (lawyer) tells me not to throw stones to somebody until he is proved as a theft (professional speaking here).

Interesting. When evaluating cycling performances, I tend to place more weight on what I have learned by racing and watching pro cycling for the better part of three decades, as compared to my religion and current profession. Seems a closer relationship.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Please tell me you're making this up. I didn't know exactly what bilharzia was but are you seriously telling me that it boosts EPO levels?

'I'm not juiced, honest. I just have a blood disease which boosts my EPO levels.'

Tell me, when exactly did Froome develop this 'disease'?? About the same point when he suddenly turned into a cycling god, having done nothing whatsoever for the first half of his career?

Welcome to the Circus with Phat and Hein as ring masters.

 

[Euskaltel!]

Graeme Obree used to call it 'Pursuiter's cough' i.e. after a really hard effort. And it's true, if I'm doing base riding I don't cough. If I'm doing 20xsprint efforts then I'm coughing so badly my wife wonders if cycling is healthy or not. Hard efforts a la Froome on Ventoux really would lead to a cough, nothing unusual about that...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Contador believes in Froome.

LMAO.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Contador is a proved and convicted doper. Froome, not a single proof for now. My religion (christian) and especially my profession (lawyer) tells me not to throw stones to somebody until he is proved as a theft (professional speaking here). As for today Contador is a former theft and Froome is the yellow jersey in the centenary of the biggest sport event in the world.

No offense, but I don't think I would hire a lawyer who doesn't know the difference between "theft" and "thief".

 

[alanshearer]

I cough after hard rides and used to cough after football games or track practices. I think the guys dirty but lets not be grasping at straws.

<cough> bullsh*t <cough>

<cough> eat me <cough>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROxvT8KKdFw

 

[Hugh Januss]

Contador believes in Froome.

LMAO.

Well that settles it then..........doping.

 

[McLovin]

No offense, but I don't think I would hire a lawyer who doesn't know the difference between "theft" and "thief".

My apologies, english is my third language. Also sorry if I make some other grammar or lexical errors on this forum.

 

[the sceptic]

Contador believes in Froome.

LMAO.

Looking forward to skybots using this as evidence of Froome being clean

 

[Parrulo]

Contador believes in Froome.

LMAO.

Contador believes in omerta.

Hardly surprising he is saying this.

 

[hfer07]

Contador believes in Froome.

LMAO.

can't turn against his own kind, can he??

 

[Hugh Januss]

Please tell me you're making this up. I didn't know exactly what bilharzia was but are you seriously telling me that it boosts EPO levels?

'I'm not juiced, honest. I just have a blood disease which boosts my EPO levels.'

Tell me, when exactly did Froome develop this 'disease'?? About the same point when he suddenly turned into a cycling god, having done nothing whatsoever for the first half of his career?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schistosomiasis

It (the disease) feeds on red blood cells in the liver, causing anemia and chronic fatigue. I highly doubt that Froome's body would naturally produce so much endogenous EPO that he would go from super sick to superman, but I wonder what sorts of medicines he might have TUE's for to help treat it.

 

[cycladianpirate]

Yep that's why I started it

Tried to start the how's he doing it so well debate on this thread last week, got some good replies, then it got swallowed up and lost with the guilty/not guilty stuff

Perhaps you could effectively re-open it (using a similar poll) with the generic "how might it be possible for a rider to dope more effectively". That is, without even mentioning a particular individual.

 

[Hugh Januss]

My apologies, english is my third language. Also sorry if I make some other grammar or lexical errors on this forum.

Kudos then, you are fluent in at least three more languages than I.

 

[martijn sonnenberg]

Armstrong:
- wasn't a serious GC-rider before getting sick
- suddenly outperforms all competition after returning from illness (with about 5-10% margin)
- Drove up the mountains posting record times
- had a tremendous acceleration on the climbs
- was top TT as well
- Was from a team, country and continent without a long history in cycling
- his team dominates in the TdF like there's no competition
- methodically denied PED's as reason for his succes
- Started what is now the biggest doping history in modern sports

Froome:
- wasn't that good of a rider to begin with pre vuelta 2011
- suddenly outperforms all competition, after being cured from illness (with about 5-10% margin)
- drives up mountains posting times similar to above mentioned armstrong
-has tremendous acceleration on the climbs
- is top TT as well
- hails from a country, team and continent (africa) without serious background in (road)cycling
- his team dominates any stagerace it enters like theres no competition
- methodically denies PED's as reason for his succes

Dear Mr Froome. Spot the differences in the text above and explain why people should believe you on your blue eyes? Give people some facts to back up your results or suffer from public doubt for weeks/months, perhaps years to come (whether your clean or not)

 

[murali]

Contador is a proved and convicted doper. Froome, not a single proof for now. My religion (christian) and especially my profession (lawyer) tells me not to throw stones to somebody until he is proved as a theft (professional speaking here). As for today Contador is a former theft and Froome is the yellow jersey in the centenary of the biggest sport event in the world.

please dont people bad English. Theft is the act. Or else quote the exact Law in which it is marked as "theft" professionally speaking.

 

[bikelizard]

Contador believes in Froome.

LMAO.

Contador believes he won the TDF three times.

 

[lemoogle]

I want a poll for all Froome believers"which nationality are you"

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

The fact that Contador, who is as old school doper as they come, I believe, says Froome should not be questioned is all the more reason to doubt everything about Team Sky.

I don't think Skybots can use Contador to help them, since they've already attacked him as a dope cheat. Now this "dope cheat" is backing Froome. This stuff is just too funny.

I don't believe any of these guys.

 

[jilbiker]

Contador believes in Froome.

LMAO.

If anyone ever doubted AC's doping, his statement on Froome seals it. He CANNOT condemn Froome 'cos it will be a condemnation on himself. He said "there are doping controls, right?". So the mantra, I have passed 500 tests means I am clean. As an AC fan, dissapointed by his comments, now I have no sympathy for him if Froome takes the championship.

Actually not sure I would cheer either if AC takes it, they are both doped up except Froome has the better stuff. But I knew that before so I wonder why I am upset??

 

[H2OUUP2]

Armstrong:
- wasn't a serious GC-rider before getting sick
- suddenly outperforms all competition after returning from illness (with about 5-10% margin)
- Drove up the mountains posting record times
- had a tremendous acceleration on the climbs
- was top TT as well
- Was from a team, country and continent without a long history in cycling
- his team dominates in the TdF like there's no competition
- methodically denied PED's as reason for his succes
- Started what is now the biggest doping history in modern sports

Froome:
- wasn't that good of a rider to begin with pre vuelta 2011
- suddenly outperforms all competition, after being cured from illness (with about 5-10% margin)
- drives up mountains posting times similar to above mentioned armstrong
-has tremendous acceleration on the climbs
- is top TT as well
- hails from a country, team and continent (africa) without serious background in (road)cycling
- his team dominates any stagerace it enters like theres no competition
- methodically denies PED's as reason for his succes

Dear Mr Froome. Spot the differences in the text above and explain why people should believe you on your blue eyes? Give people some facts to back up your results or suffer from public doubt for weeks/months, perhaps years to come (whether your clean or not)

I really get the feeling that a lot of the people defending Froome weren't around for, or didn't watch, the Armstrong "era", and that's why they're defending him so adamantly. Because it's really this simple as to why a lot of us are suspicious. Anyone who likes Froome, and likes the sport of cycling, can't honestly say their not also suspicious of him.

 

[Hugh Januss]

No offense, but I don't think I would hire a lawyer who doesn't know the difference between "theft" and "thief".

My apologies, english is my third language. Also sorry if I make some other grammar or lexical errors on this forum.

Kudos then, you are fluent in at least three more languages than I.

please dont people bad English. Theft is the act. Or else quote the exact Law in which it is marked as "theft" professionally speaking.

Dude, lighten up we already solved this problem, can't say I agree with the point of his initial post, but.......