Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[bewildered]

Long-term means the symptoms are misdiagnosed or not detected, and hence the parasite is in the body long-term.

OK but once treated (1-3 doses over a short period) the rbcs should return to normal levels pretty quickly and that should be the end of it

 

[victorschipolrijk]

There should not be a space between a word and punctuation that follows it. You only need to use one question mark.

Try to keep the conversation polite. Patswana was trying to contribute useful information.

What a sorry *** nit-picker .

If I use more than one ? is because I need them .

Do you understand now????????????????????????????????????????

 

[bewildered]

who cares about punctuation FFS. And just because it's named after a german doesn't mean it's not an English word. Christ

 

[Taxus4a]

Where did Evans climb as fast as Armstrong? I can maybe believe he was clean, but thats a big maybe

Sastre, no way

Armstrong has climb Alp d Huez at 37 and 42 with the same level of doping...
and Evans did in 40 sometimes.

Wind is not an important factor in Alp D Huez, but in Windy mountain, it is.
Froome it has never go as Lance, but some day clean people will do.

if you pretend compare Ax 3 domaines this year with 2003, that is impossible, becouse this is the only year Ax 3 domaines was at the begining, it was always at the end of the Tour, and 2003 was a very hard one... There are most factors, but with that is enough. Laiseka did best time than him.

You must compare Hautacam, becouse was the first mountain stage as well, and Lance did better numbers than froome in doubled distance (16 to 8)

But there are people as Pantani that improve a lot with doping, and the good riders, as Contador or Valverde, are not very far without doping.

 

[The Hitch]

that is not true.
.

Yes it is.

Ventoux:
Armstrong 48.33
Froome 48.35
Contador/Andy 48.57


Those numbers are verified.

putting fingers in your ears and saying "no it isn't", is not a very good argument.

 

[Taxus4a]

So unless Froome is continuously going back to Kenya and getting re-infected, his story of getting multiple treatments for bilharzia doesn't make much sense, correct?

he maybe need the treatment for his all life.. or maybe once the parasit really die.

I dont understand you, if bilharzia is inactive, he can train and perform ok...

 

[The Hitch]

Armstrong has climb Alp d Huez at 37 and 42 with the same level of doping...
and Evans did in 40 sometimes.

Usain Bolt run the 100m in 9.59 and 10.37 with the same level of doping.

My friend run the 100m in 10.33

Ergo my friend is as fast as Usain Bolt.

So goes your logic.

 

[BroDeal]

he maybe need the treatment for his all life..

Or at least as long as he is subject to the biopassport.

 

[Taxus4a]

Yes it is.

Ventoux:
Armstrong 48.33
Froome 48.35
Contador/Andy 48.57


Those numbers are verified.

putting fingers in your ears and saying "no it isn't", is not a very good argument.

this is the number of a day, not a global performance.
With the wind conditions, the difference is great, it could be 2 minutes less in Lance conditions

1. 2004: 55:51 Iban Mayo 23.10 km/h
2. 2004: 56:26 Tyler Hamilton 22.86 km/h
3. 1999: 56:50 Jonathan Vaughters 22.70 km/h
4. 2004: 56:54 Oscar Sevilla 22.67 km/h
5. 1999: 57:33 Alexander Vinokourov 22.42 km/h
6. 1994: 57:34 Marco Pantani 22.41 km/h
7. 1999: 57:34 Wladimir Belli 22.41 km/h
8. 2004: 57:39 Juan Miguel Mercado 22.38 km/h
9. 1999: 57:42 Joseba Beloki 22.36 km/h
10. 2004: 57:49 Lance Armstrong 22.31 km/h
11. 1999: 57:52 Lance Armstrong 22.29 km/h
12. 2004: 58:14 Inigo Landaluze 22.15 km/h
13. 1999: 58:15 Kevin Livingston 22.15 km/h
14. 1999: 58:31 David Moncoutie 22.05 km/h
15. 2004: 58:35 José Enrique Gutierrez 22.02 km/h
16. 2009: 58:45 Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h
17. 2009: 58:45 Alberto Contador 21.96 km/h
18. 2009: 58:48 Lance Armstrong 21.94 km/h
19. 2009: 58:50 Fränk Schleck 21.93 km/h
20. 1999: 58:51 Unai Osa 21.92 km/h
21. 2009: 58:53 Roman Kreuziger 21.91 km/h
22. 2002: 59:00 Lance Armstrong 21.86 km/h
23. 2013: 59:00 Chris Froome 21.86 km/h
24. 1994: 59:02 Richard Virenque 21.85 km/h
25. 1994: 59:02 Armand De Las Cuevas 21.85 km/h
26. 1994: 59:02 Luc Leblanc 21.85 km/h
27. 1994: 59:02 Miguel Indurain 21.85 km/h
28. 1994: 59:02 Roberto Conti 21.85 km/h
29. 2009: 59:03 Franco Pellizotti 21.85 km/h
30. 2000: 59:05 Marco Pantani 21.83 km/h
31. 2000: 59:05 Lance Armstrong 21.83 km/h
32. 2009: 59:05 Vincenzo Nibali 21.83 km/h
33. 1994: 59:07 Pascal Lino 21.82 km/h
34. 1999: 59:08 Tyler Hamilton 21.82 km/h
35. 1999: 59:08 Roberto Laiseka 21.82 km/h
36. 2009: 59:10 Bradley Wiggins 21.80 km/h
37. 2004: 59:12 Levi Leipheimer 21.79 km/h
38. 2004: 59:24 Michael Rasmussen 21.72 km/h
39. 2004: 59:27 Stéphane Goubert 21.70 km/h
40. 2013: 59:29 Nairo Quintana 21.69 km/h

But, what are you talk about, man?? even with better wind condition, Froome was worse, I though froome could beat Mayo record when I see the inussual tailwind sometimes...and I was really surprised when I see the time, becouse he had Porte and Quintana sometime later...I remenber Lance talking with pantani and stoped

 

[the sceptic]

So to sum up, no matter how fast Froome goes he is clean because sometimes Armstrong went slower than other "clean" riders

 

[Taxus4a]

And.. what the **** is that of 45 in Ventoux?? Everybody knows the record is 55...

 

[The Hitch]

this is the number of a day, not a global performance.
With the wind conditions, the difference is great, it could be 2 minutes less in Lance conditions

1. 2004: 55:51 Iban Mayo 23.10 km/h
2. 2004: 56:26 Tyler Hamilton 22.86 km/h
3. 1999: 56:50 Jonathan Vaughters 22.70 km/h
4. 2004: 56:54 Oscar Sevilla 22.67 km/h
5. 1999: 57:33 Alexander Vinokourov 22.42 km/h
6. 1994: 57:34 Marco Pantani 22.41 km/h
7. 1999: 57:34 Wladimir Belli 22.41 km/h
8. 2004: 57:39 Juan Miguel Mercado 22.38 km/h
9. 1999: 57:42 Joseba Beloki 22.36 km/h
10. 2004: 57:49 Lance Armstrong 22.31 km/h
11. 1999: 57:52 Lance Armstrong 22.29 km/h
12. 2004: 58:14 Inigo Landaluze 22.15 km/h
13. 1999: 58:15 Kevin Livingston 22.15 km/h
14. 1999: 58:31 David Moncoutie 22.05 km/h
15. 2004: 58:35 José Enrique Gutierrez 22.02 km/h
16. 2009: 58:45 Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h
17. 2009: 58:45 Alberto Contador 21.96 km/h
18. 2009: 58:48 Lance Armstrong 21.94 km/h
19. 2009: 58:50 Fränk Schleck 21.93 km/h
20. 1999: 58:51 Unai Osa 21.92 km/h
21. 2009: 58:53 Roman Kreuziger 21.91 km/h
22. 2002: 59:00 Lance Armstrong 21.86 km/h
23. 2013: 59:00 Chris Froome 21.86 km/h
24. 1994: 59:02 Richard Virenque 21.85 km/h
25. 1994: 59:02 Armand De Las Cuevas 21.85 km/h
26. 1994: 59:02 Luc Leblanc 21.85 km/h
27. 1994: 59:02 Miguel Indurain 21.85 km/h
28. 1994: 59:02 Roberto Conti 21.85 km/h
29. 2009: 59:03 Franco Pellizotti 21.85 km/h
30. 2000: 59:05 Marco Pantani 21.83 km/h
31. 2000: 59:05 Lance Armstrong 21.83 km/h
32. 2009: 59:05 Vincenzo Nibali 21.83 km/h
33. 1994: 59:07 Pascal Lino 21.82 km/h
34. 1999: 59:08 Tyler Hamilton 21.82 km/h
35. 1999: 59:08 Roberto Laiseka 21.82 km/h
36. 2009: 59:10 Bradley Wiggins 21.80 km/h
37. 2004: 59:12 Levi Leipheimer 21.79 km/h
38. 2004: 59:24 Michael Rasmussen 21.72 km/h
39. 2004: 59:27 Stéphane Goubert 21.70 km/h
40. 2013: 59:29 Nairo Quintana 21.69 km/h

But, what are you talk about, man?? even with better wind condition, Froome was worse, I though froome could beat Mayo record when I see the inussual tailwind sometimes...and I was really surprised when I see the time, becouse he had Porte and Quintana sometime later...I remenber Lance talking with pantani and stoped

You have no proof the wind conditions were favourable, you just made it up

Delude yourself if you want, even Irish Radio today said Froome had the 3rd fastest time up Ventoux (at the tdf,) which shows they are working from the same time sheets as everyone except you.

Live in your own bubble in the world, what do you think the chances are, everyone else is wrong and you are right or everyone else is right and you are wrong?

 

[Taxus4a]

So to sum up, no matter how fast Froome goes he is clean because sometimes Armstrong went slower than other "clean" riders

He is clean. You must prove he is not if you think so.

Any evidence... his numers are good but normal, beatable been clean

another one?'


You are a murderer.
I say that, it is enought or I must put something more?
So, proof you are not a murderer or you will go to prison...

 

[Ferminal]

Just like everyone knows that if you're trying to isolate human performance you remove false flats at the start of climbs.

 

[bewildered]

In 1999 and 2004, Mont Ventoux was climbed in a 21,5 km individual time trial.

 

[Taxus4a]

You have no proof the wind conditions were favourable, you just made it up

Delude yourself if you want, even Irish Radio today said Froome had the 3rd fastest time up Ventoux (at the tdf,) which shows they are working from the same time sheets as everyone except you.

Live in your own bubble in the world, what do you think the chances are, everyone else is wrong and you are right or everyone else is right and you are wrong?

I see that, the spanish comentarist Pedro Delgado and Carlos De andres said taht, and the flags were that.

it is easy, there are videos, it is just to llok for two points from minus 7 to minus one. Thats is the bold parte going to the northwest with some corners... and just to compare exlatly the same points with the flags.

I will do it with time, even if the difference is not big, becouse is always cross wind, the wind is so strong that is something important.

Garate said in the Radio he won with more headwind, that this years was almost favourable.

this time the last part was sometime helps a little sometimes crosswind, sometimes tail.
Usually there is sometime crosswinds sometimes headwind.
It wasnt a big difference, but it was, and I will proof that

 

[the sceptic]

You have no proof the wind conditions were favourable, you just made it up

Delude yourself if you want, even Irish Radio today said Froome had the 3rd fastest time up Ventoux (at the tdf,) which shows they are working from the same time sheets as everyone except you.

Live in your own bubble in the world, what do you think the chances are, everyone else is wrong and you are right or everyone else is right and you are wrong?

Froome has 3 climbs where he climbed almost as fast as Armstrong
But he had tailwind each time of course. yeah right

 

[beowulf]

this is the number of a day, not a global performance.
With the wind conditions, the difference is great, it could be 2 minutes less in Lance conditions

10. 2004: 57:49 Lance Armstrong 22.31 km/h
11. 1999: 57:52 Lance Armstrong 22.29 km/h
12. 2004: 58:14 Inigo Landaluze 22.15 km/h
13. 1999: 58:15 Kevin Livingston 22.15 km/h
14. 1999: 58:31 David Moncoutie 22.05 km/h
15. 2004: 58:35 José Enrique Gutierrez 22.02 km/h
16. 2009: 58:45 Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h
17. 2009: 58:45 Alberto Contador 21.96 km/h
18. 2009: 58:48 Lance Armstrong 21.94 km/h
19. 2009: 58:50 Fränk Schleck 21.93 km/h
20. 1999: 58:51 Unai Osa 21.92 km/h
21. 2009: 58:53 Roman Kreuziger 21.91 km/h
22. 2002: 59:00 Lance Armstrong 21.86 km/h
23. 2013: 59:00 Chris Froome 21.86 km/h

I hate to be pedantic, but these times are all taken from the bottom of the climb, correct? Anybody who watched the climb on Sunday knows the pace was not on at the bottom of the climb, because Cadel was still in the lead group after five kilometres. Things only got interesting once Quintana attacked.

I would love to know what Froome did for the last ten kilometres of Ventoux, because it must have been fast.

 

[Taxus4a]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXPXHK7I1iQ

see the flag at 0.07 , 0:53.... always front front front

see the video of this Tour...always cross cross cross, and with more people...

 

[Taxus4a]

I hate to be pedantic, but these times are all taken from the bottom of the climb, correct? Anybody who watched the climb on Sunday knows the pace was not on at the bottom of the climb, because Cadel was still in the lead group after five kilometres. Things only got interesting once Quintana attacked.

I would love to know what Froome did for the last ten kilometres of Ventoux, because it must have been fast.

So you try to tell me that is more apropiate to take a partial time to avaluate a climb...
I saw yestarday the climb, and always was SKY there, and Andy crack from the bottom...
Anayway, If you do the first part easy, better to fly later, right?? You have to take always all the climb to compare...other way has no sense...

 

[bewildered]

i wonder what time froome would have done if he had a doped up pantani pushing him all the way to the line

 

[thehog]

In 1999 and 2004, Mont Ventoux was climbed in a 21,5 km individual time trial.

Exactly.

Froome rode faster than Pantani for the last half of the climb!

 

[the sceptic]

I hate to be pedantic, but these times are all taken from the bottom of the climb, correct? Anybody who watched the climb on Sunday knows the pace was not on at the bottom of the climb, because Cadel was still in the lead group after five kilometres. Things only got interesting once Quintana attacked.

I would love to know what Froome did for the last ten kilometres of Ventoux, because it must have been fast.

vetooo ‏@ammattipyoraily

#TDF, Mont Ventoux, last 6.15 km, 8.00 %, 492 m 2002 | Lance Armstrong: 17 min 53 sec 2013 | Chtris Froome: 17 min 41 sec

 

[Taxus4a]

Just like everyone knows that if you're trying to isolate human performance you remove false flats at the start of climbs.

You are trying to say Ventoux is just 15 kms?? he is hard becouse he is 21 kms...

And if you taje just 15, and 7 are withot forest... you have to consider seriously the wind, and I demostrate you how differente was this year.

and sorry, I must go to sleep,
Bye

 

[bewildered]

need to move this back onto the bilharzia treatment a few pages back. that was getting interesting