Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[el chava]

Sports science is doping.

It's not like doping is some backward technique conducted in side streets.

Doping exists due to science.

Once scientists realised that could delay lactic acid and improve recovery then doping became science and sports science became doping.

Let's ban science then.

 

[thehog]

Let's ban science then.

No lets not ban science.

Lets use science to combat doping. Instead of the current selective process of avoiding catching actual dopers.

 

[el chava]

Your bullsh!t argument is what is idiotic. That you continue to push this idiocy reflects on you. As I requested, name one top pro in the last fifteen years that used the "just ride lots" training plan. Name on who did not use structured training. Name one who was unaware of altitude training. Your argument is idiotic.

Here is a couple of clues for you. SRM was founded in 1986. Tudor Bompa's book on periodization was published in 1983.

Answer the question. When DID you start following cycling?

Tell that to Thomas Voeckler. Lots of oldschool methods or non-methods still exists in pro cycling today. My favorite is Pozzatto self-imposed celibacy before the worlds.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Porte interview

Porte on Froome..

I train with the guy everyday and he’s forever just riding into you, but that’s just how he rides."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/richie-porte-im-ready-to-lead-sky-at-2014-giro-ditalia

Yep !! that's our Yellow Jersey Holder...you gotta love him !

 

[Galic Ho]

I love your optimism regarding Froome, but seeing him ride like he has since 2011, especially his bizarre accelerations on Ventoux, I'm not a believer. A pity, because he does seem to be a genuinley likeable person.

About the only Colombian I can see riding for the British contingent would be Henao, as he'll be under contract to Sky next year. Though, even that would be doubtful, as the current crop of riders, especially the large contingent coming from Corti's Colombia team, are fiercely proud of their country, none more so than Uran.

By the way, if the Italians and Swiss do turn up in Lombardy for this year's WC then I'll have put my mortgage on the entrant from Tuvalu taking their asses to the cleaners - the Worlds are in Florence / Tuscany.

My bad dude. Was reading an article just before that post about RCS cancelling the Giro del Priemonte and I had my thinking backwards as that race was due to be held between the Worlds and Lombardy. So because they're all in Italy...yeah, I stuffed up my thinking and what I typed. But I like your thinking. Misdirection. Send the Brits somewhere else. Good idea!

I should have realised as I was checking some stuff up on Firenze earlier. Oh well, these things happen.

As for the Colombians. I know Uran is everyone's favourite, but on a Worlds course I think of the big 3, he's the weakest. Henao and Quintana have a better chance. Olympic Road Race anyone? I'm still laughing a year on. That was solid GOLD idiocy from Uran. I wonder how many riders Colombia can field?

Heck the way this is going, if Simon Gerrans won, I'd take that over a Brit winning. Anyone but a Brit is cool by me ATM.

 

[Galic Ho]

Porte on Froome..



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/richie-porte-im-ready-to-lead-sky-at-2014-giro-ditalia

Yep !! that's our Yellow Jersey Holder...you gotta love him !

And it gets worse.

Confirmation that the call months back that Porte would be handed the Giro is now revealed to be true. Laying his claim on it just like Froome did for this years Tour last season. Heck Richie is getting in early. BTW thehog and Ripper the comments on the article were gold.

Someone for the love of all things sacred let Ricco back into the pro peloton or ensure Nibali is well prepped by Ferrari. Richie Porte must NOT win the Giro.

 

[BYOP88]

That is the key right there.

You see most of the cycling world wrote Froome off as a useless git who would never amount to anything on a bike. This was an opinion held not just by his fellow pros, team managers, and fans but Froome's own mother. Brailsford has a keen eye and saw something everyone else missed. Even though Froome was struggling to finish stages, sometimes holding onto motorcycles to make time, Brailsford noticed that the total distance Froome travelled as he zigged and zagged up the road during climbs was roughly 80% more than the distance everyone else was riding. Taking distance into account, Froome was the fastest man in a race.

Brailsford employed British ingenuity to fix the issue. He knew that a regular cycling coach could not handle a problem of this magnitude. None had ever worked with someone as monumentally incompetent at the skill of riding a bike as Froome, who made Fernando Escartin look like Fabian Cancellara. He would have to go outside of cycling to find a coach who was an expert at maintaining a straight line. That's when genius struck. Swimming! Swimmers spend hours going back and forth in a straight line. It was almost too perfect.

He hired a swim coach and a training plan was quickly devised. It consisted of forcing Froome to ride up and down a long and narrow hallway somewhere in Yorkshire. At first Froome could barely do it. He would careen off walls, banging into one side then bouncing over to crash into the other side. They had to start with but one lap per day. Any more and Brailsford was afraid Froome would injure himself. Gradually the distance was increased to two laps then three then five then ten. Slowly but surely Froome got the hang of it and learned to ride in a straight line and, just as Brailsford predicted, Froome's speed was unsurpassable.

Now you know the rest of the story.

We need a 'like' button on here badly.

 

[maxmartin]

And it gets worse.

Confirmation that the call months back that Porte would be handed the Giro is now revealed to be true. Laying his claim on it just like Froome did for this years Tour last season. Heck Richie is getting in early. BTW thehog and Ripper the comments on the article were gold.

Someone for the love of all things sacred let Ricco back into the pro peloton or ensure Nibali is well prepped by Ferrari. Richie Porte must NOT win the Giro.

Ferrari's method is too easy to be detected these days, Leider's is the way to go!!!

 

[Escarabajo]

So if EBH becomes a GC contender everything is ok because of his epic lab results?

No, everything would not be OK. But at least it would be more believable. What is EBH VO max? do we know it?

 

[sittingbison]

Maybe Sky tried Psychics instead of Chemistry.

fixed it for you at no extra charge

 

[Galic Ho]

No, everything would not be OK. But at least it would be more believable. What is EBH VO max? do we know it?

I believe Thor Hushovd's is 84 ml/min/kg and EBH is similar. Might have been 88 ml/min/kg. Lots of Norweigans have very high figures. Especially the cross country skiers.

 

[bobbins]

Bobby Julich is Froomes coach.

Will him going permanent at BMC make a difference to Froomes 'prep'?

 

[Ferminal]

Was he still his coach this year? Surely Sky PR wouldn't have appreciated that?

 

[bobbins]

Was he still his coach this year? Surely Sky PR wouldn't have appreciated that?

As far as I am aware, according to someone at the team, yes.

How many of the newly adopted tame cycling media would have run this story without checking with sky first?

Foreign junkets, team kit and 'exclusive access' pays for alot!

 

[Ferminal]

Good info.

 

[simoni]

Tell that to Thomas Voeckler. Lots of oldschool methods or non-methods still exists in pro cycling today. My favorite is Pozzatto self-imposed celibacy before the worlds.

I'm pretty sure that cycling is/was some way behind in a lot of respects (not everyone, not every team). e.g. Nico Roche, top 10 TDF aspirant says in his book that he didn't have a time trial bike to train on at his home. Maybe a normal domestique wouldn't but to overlook something so obvious as a team leader in a world tour team is baffling to me.

Cycle sports series of articles last year, "man in the bunch" or whatever it was called, had an month where the theme was to bust a few myths and the intimation there was that a lot of pros were still, pretty much, just going out and riding.

 

[The Hitch]

That is the key right there.

You see most of the cycling world wrote Froome off as a useless git who would never amount to anything on a bike. This was an opinion held not just by his fellow pros, team managers, and fans but Froome's own mother. Brailsford has a keen eye and saw something everyone else missed. Even though Froome was struggling to finish stages, sometimes holding onto motorcycles to make time, Brailsford noticed that the total distance Froome travelled as he zigged and zagged up the road during climbs was roughly 80% more than the distance everyone else was riding. Taking distance into account, Froome was the fastest man in a race.

Brailsford employed British ingenuity to fix the issue. He knew that a regular cycling coach could not handle a problem of this magnitude. None had ever worked with someone as monumentally incompetent at the skill of riding a bike as Froome, who made Fernando Escartin look like Fabian Cancellara. He would have to go outside of cycling to find a coach who was an expert at maintaining a straight line. That's when genius struck. Swimming! Swimmers spend hours going back and forth in a straight line. It was almost too perfect.

He hired a swim coach and a training plan was quickly devised. It consisted of forcing Froome to ride up and down a long and narrow hallway somewhere in Yorkshire. At first Froome could barely do it. He would careen off walls, banging into one side then bouncing over to crash into the other side. They had to start with but one lap per day. Any more and Brailsford was afraid Froome would injure himself. Gradually the distance was increased to two laps then three then five then ten. Slowly but surely Froome got the hang of it and learned to ride in a straight line and, just as Brailsford predicted, Froome's speed was unsurpassable.

Now you know the rest of the story.

Fantastic.

 

[armchairclimber]

Exactly why is a 25 year old with problems hampering him earlier in his career, bursting onto the field once he got it together, (like others around his age have done in the past) seen as the biggest fraud in history, whereas a 30 year old who could do absolutely nothing until he almost podiumed the tour and has since learned to tt and climb better than anyone else in the world, seen as the possible clean guy on sky.

Secondly we all know here that hundreds of riders have been doping over the years, most of our champions have done so, froome gets so much hatred on here, but he is not really any different to the others.

Wiggins meanwhile is a total **** who thinks he is gods gift to cycling, runs his mouth about anyone he feels like, throws enormous tantrums when people dont see him in as high a light as he sees himself, and has began to follow the Armstrong method of bullying people.

Attack Froome all you want but please people realize that it is Wiggins not Froome who is the big bad.

Very interesting indeed.

(at this point, you can start making up stuff)

 

[thrawn]

That is the key right there.

You see most of the cycling world wrote Froome off as a useless git who would never amount to anything on a bike. This was an opinion held not just by his fellow pros, team managers, and fans but Froome's own mother. Brailsford has a keen eye and saw something everyone else missed. Even though Froome was struggling to finish stages, sometimes holding onto motorcycles to make time, Brailsford noticed that the total distance Froome travelled as he zigged and zagged up the road during climbs was roughly 80% more than the distance everyone else was riding. Taking distance into account, Froome was the fastest man in a race.

Brailsford employed British ingenuity to fix the issue. He knew that a regular cycling coach could not handle a problem of this magnitude. None had ever worked with someone as monumentally incompetent at the skill of riding a bike as Froome, who made Fernando Escartin look like Fabian Cancellara. He would have to go outside of cycling to find a coach who was an expert at maintaining a straight line. That's when genius struck. Swimming! Swimmers spend hours going back and forth in a straight line. It was almost too perfect.

He hired a swim coach and a training plan was quickly devised. It consisted of forcing Froome to ride up and down a long and narrow hallway somewhere in Yorkshire. At first Froome could barely do it. He would careen off walls, banging into one side then bouncing over to crash into the other side. They had to start with but one lap per day. Any more and Brailsford was afraid Froome would injure himself. Gradually the distance was increased to two laps then three then five then ten. Slowly but surely Froome got the hang of it and learned to ride in a straight line and, just as Brailsford predicted, Froome's speed was unsurpassable.

Now you know the rest of the story.

Post of the thread.

 

[DarkWarrior]

Was he still his coach this year? Surely Sky PR wouldn't have appreciated that?

After seeing his cadence on Ventoux, I'm wondering if Carmichael is his coach?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I realise this will be unpopular, but seeing Froome riding on the aerobars of a TT rig, on rollers, tells me he has a little more skill at bicycle handling than many would give him credit for.

 

[thehog]

After seeing his cadence on Ventoux, I'm wondering if Carmichael is his coach?

Ferrari?

 

[gooner]

Just watching Sky Sports News, Froome is interviewed live in the studios at 13.15.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Nibali:

I'm no robot and neither is any rider. I haven't got a Superman cape with an S on it. You can't always be up there in every race and people know how busy I was after winning the Giro. It's normal that you pay for it in a hard race

compare with the Alien who's been on form since January.

 

[Ferminal]

Nibali must be clean then.