Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[ebandit]

unlike

LA never showed any signs of that sort of form at this stage of the season.

unlike la da dwag is not on the self publicity/get rich livestrong bandwagon

Mark L

 

[Froomster]

Raw data:
2007 - 2011 (Romandie)

Loss per km (s) Placing (%)

3.4 11.0%
3.8 18.8%
4.0 18.9%
5.4 18.3%
7.1 60.7%
3.3 11.0%
17.5 25.3%
9.8 60.2%
4.1 16.8%
5.2 35.5%
6.4 27.6%

2011 TdS to Present

1.9 6.5%
1.5 1.1%
1.0 1.6%
1.5 1.3%
0.9 1.1%
1.7 3.5%
6.2 29.3%
0.0 0.6%
0.4 1.1%
1.6 1.7%
1.8 2.6%
1.7 5.6%
1.7 4.7%


Anyone else see a difference!? Holy transformation.

John Swanson

So, here's something else interesting. According to Walsh's summary of Froome Dawg's Badzilla,

"Froome battled on until the Tour de Suisse [2011] where his legs turned rubbery on the hills. When the Tour was finished he took another dose of biltricide and with his preparations behind he said goodbye to the Tour de France for that year."

Meanwhile, 2011 was the year he began working with Bobby Julich..."
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=1371837#post1371837

Hmm, the same Bobby Julich who, on October 25, 2012 admitted to doping during his career and resigned from the United Kingdom based Team SKY.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-bobby-julich-doping-confession

Curious. So, back to the timeline. Walsh said Froome-froome took another dose of parasite destroyer straight after the TdS ended (19 June 2011). That would have wiped him out for a week, apparently. So, he was up and at 'em by late June. From 20 July to 24 July, he competed in the Brixia Tour, where he finished 45th (won by the untouchable 37 year old Fortunato Baliani).

From the 31 July to 6 August, he fronted up to the Tour de Pologne, and finished in a stunning 85th place, a mere 26 minutes behind winner, Peter Sagan. The spritely 22 year old, Peter Kennaugh was the first Sky rider home for that tour in 5th place. Froomezilla was second-to-last of the Sky crew, beating only 35 year old Kjell Carlström in the GC.

So, back to Monaco to do some training with Bobby Julich (admitted drug cheat), probably some consulting with Dr Geert Leinders (facing criminal investigation in Belgium for doping) and Froomehilda rocks up to the Vuelta on 20 August. BAM!! Second in GC.

Vuelta ends 11 September. Froomemeister flies over to the Tour of Beijing (presumably doesn't eat the beef) and sets off on 5 October. BIFF!!! Third in the GC.

Come 2012. Froomy is moving up the domestique ranks, but still supporting the Blue Wiggle. Nevertheless, in world tours, he goes:

32 Tour de Romandie
4 Criterium
2 Tour de France
4 Vuelta

Not bad(zilla) for a poor white boy from Kenya. 2013, and the transformation is complete:

1 Tour of Oman
2 Tirreno-Adriatico
1 Criterium International
1 Tour de Romandie
1 Criterium du Daphine
1 Tour de France

And, of course, 1st in the 2014 Tour of Oman.

Now, I am willing to stand corrected, but I do believe that this is an absolutely unparalleled record run in the history of cycling. Has anyone ever dominated a year in this manner? Not that I'm aware.

Badzilla has been hiding the greatest, most dominant cycling talent in the history of the world! Froomestar is indeed a freak of nature, the like of which we have never seen before. A rider who's superhuman talents were so cruelly hidden by parasites for so many years, before exploding like a rocket-powered truck up the highway of life after that one, fateful dose of Biltricide in June 2011.

I, for one, am a Froome Believer. Who cares about all of those fools who say that talent is obvious from a young age! What kind of clown thinks that possibly the best rider the world has ever seen needs to show some kind of steady progression towards greatness? They're all morons.

No, true legends crawl from carefully camouflaged antipodean obscurity, creep unseen through the disorganised, scattered, no-talent ranks of the European peloton, then BANG! A single dose of praziquantel and a month later, the greatest cyclist of his generation (and perhaps of ALL TIME) emerges like Arnold Schwarzenegger from a hole in the fabric of space and time.

Mankind behold - the Froomenator has come!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Do the same for Wiggins now, and please explain to me how "track racing" is a better hider of GT talent than Bilzharia. 2011/2012 for Wiggins was pretty much identical to 2013 for Froome, except he caned the Olympic TT to cap it all off.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Mankind behold - the Froomenator has come!

Tim Clancy with the forensic research fable. Shame you missed the last few pages where much of this junk has been debunked. Hence the need to invent some new epoch-defining achievements?

 

[webbie146]

i hope you realize who roberto corsetti is. the doctor with the fresh fruits at liquigas

6,1 w/kg lol. that's how much probably did the 25th place on verbier.

alberto did 7 w/kg there if not higher.

I agree 6.1 w/kg is wayyy to low for that performance.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

I agree 6.1 w/kg is wayyy to low for that performance.

Where did you spot the flaw in the VAM calculation?

 

[Froomster]

Do the same for Wiggins now, and please explain to me how "track racing" is a better hider of GT talent than Bilzharia. 2011/2012 for Wiggins was pretty much identical to 2013 for Froome, except he caned the Olympic TT to cap it all off.

Well, imagine that you're a Great Albatross, like Sir Braddles, stuck in a little cage (velodrome). You know that, given your freedom to fly in the open skies, you could put all of those stupid little finches who flit around from here to there, to shame....etc, etc.

Here's the Blue Wiggle, GC results from 2005 (age 25yrs), plus a few interesting extras thrown in:

2005

23 Tour Down Under
29 Tour Mediterraneen
89 Criterium International
4 Curcuite de Lorraine
123 Giro
20 Tour de l'Ain
73 Deutchland Tour
7 World Champ Time Trial (not GC, but instructive)

2006

46 Etoile de Besseges
71 Paris - Nice
60 4 Jours de Dunkerque
50 Tour de Picardie
123 Tour de France

2007

28 4 Jours de Dunkerque
138 Volta Ciclista a Catalunya
95 Criterium du Dauphine
DNF Tour de France
10 UCI TT World Championships (not GC)

2008

DNF Tour of California
105 Tour de Romandie
134 Giro
79 Tour of Britain

2009

87 Tour of Qatar
DNF Tour Mediterraneen
DNF Paris - Nice
45 Criterium International
58 Driedaagse de Panne-Koksijde
71 Giro
3 Tour de France
29 Tour of Britain
1 Jayco Herald Sun Tour

2010

114 Tour of Qatar
48 Vuelta a Andalucia
3 Vuelta a la revion de Murcia
33 Vuelta al Pais Vasco
40 Giro
23 Tour de France
1 National Championships GB ITT
35 Tour of Britain

2011

31 Tour of Qatar
3 Paris - Nice
41 Criterium International
62 Tour de Romandie
14 Bayern - Rundfarhrt
1 Criterium du Dauphine
1 National Championship GB Road Race
DNF Tour de France (Stage 7)
3 Vuelta
2 UCI TT World Championship

2012

3 Volta ao Algarve
1 Paris - Nice
DNF Volta Ciclista a Catalunya
1 Tour de Romandie
1 Curterium du Daphine
1 Tour de France
1 Olympic Games TT
DNF Tour of Britain

Good (perhaps suspciously so), but not a FroomeMan-to-FroomeGod performance.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Riders win early season races bombshell. LOL at this fanboi:

Many riders are fed up with the doping culture. It does not concern them. Today, the professionals train better and more, and they can begin the season with very good results. Without a doubt, there are more good pure riders at the top level.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/02/news/vayer-says-he-would-like-to-believe-froome-but-doesnt-have-enough-information_318036

 

[SundayRider]

Well, imagine that you're a Great Albatross, like Sir Braddles, stuck in a little cage (velodrome). You know that, given your freedom to fly in the open skies, you could put all of those stupid little finches who flit around from here to there, to shame....etc, etc.

Here's the Blue Wiggle, GC results from 2005 (age 25yrs), plus a few interesting extras thrown in:

2005

23 Tour Down Under
29 Tour Mediterraneen
89 Criterium International
4 Curcuite de Lorraine
123 Giro
20 Tour de l'Ain
73 Deutchland Tour
7 World Champ Time Trial (not GC, but instructive)

2006

46 Etoile de Besseges
71 Paris - Nice
60 4 Jours de Dunkerque
50 Tour de Picardie
123 Tour de France

2007

28 4 Jours de Dunkerque
138 Volta Ciclista a Catalunya
95 Criterium du Dauphine
DNF Tour de France
10 UCI TT World Championships (not GC)

2008

DNF Tour of California
105 Tour de Romandie
134 Giro
79 Tour of Britain

2009

87 Tour of Qatar
DNF Tour Mediterraneen
DNF Paris - Nice
45 Criterium International
58 Driedaagse de Panne-Koksijde
71 Giro
3 Tour de France
29 Tour of Britain
1 Jayco Herald Sun Tour

2010

114 Tour of Qatar
48 Vuelta a Andalucia
3 Vuelta a la revion de Murcia
33 Vuelta al Pais Vasco
40 Giro
23 Tour de France
1 National Championships GB ITT
35 Tour of Britain

2011

31 Tour of Qatar
3 Paris - Nice
41 Criterium International
62 Tour de Romandie
14 Bayern - Rundfarhrt
1 Criterium du Dauphine
1 National Championship GB Road Race
DNF Tour de France (Stage 7)
3 Vuelta
2 UCI TT World Championship

2012

3 Volta ao Algarve
1 Paris - Nice
DNF Volta Ciclista a Catalunya
1 Tour de Romandie
1 Curterium du Daphine
1 Tour de France
1 Olympic Games TT
DNF Tour of Britain

Good (perhaps suspciously so), but not a FroomeMan-to-FroomeGod performance.

Pack fill until 2009 Tour, average year in 2010, two consistent years in 2011/12.

 

[deeno1975]

Tim Clancy with the forensic research fable. Shame you missed the last few pages where much of this junk has been debunked. Hence the need to invent some new epoch-defining achievements?

You've debunked nothing only tried to legitimize in your own mind why the rise of Froome has occurred through entirely natural means. I've tried to see things from the other side of the coin but just see a desperate attempt to amend the stated facts to suit your viewpoint.

 

[Froomster]

Tim Clancy with the forensic research fable. Shame you missed the last few pages where much of this junk has been debunked. Hence the need to invent some new epoch-defining achievements?

Oh, no. I didn't miss it. I've read it all.

Tell me - which part is "junk", in your opinion? The bit before 2H 2011, when the Froome was a mere carpenter? Or the bit after 1H 2011, when the Froome was a God of Cycling?

As I said in the post, if you can explain to me how you go from middle-of-the-pack to 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st in the space of 18 months, I'm all ears.

You talk a lot on this forum compared to me. So, I guess that means you know a hell of a lot more than me. I await your wise counsel.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

Oh, no. I didn't miss it. I've read it all.

Tell me - which part is "junk", in your opinion? The bit before 2H 2011, when the Froome was a mere carpenter? Or the bit after 1H 2011, when the Froome was a God of Cycling?

As I said in the post, if you can explain to me how you go from middle-of-the-pack to 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st in the space of 18 months, I'm all ears.

You talk a lot on this forum compared to me. So, I guess that means you know a hell of a lot more than me. I await your wise counsel.

No thanks. There was some reasonable debate a few pages back with acknowledgement of decent arguments on both sides. You could have engaged with any of the points raised.

Instead you've just invented a narrative - "God of cycling". You might find the politics section more suited to this form of lurid exaggeration.

 

[Ventoux Boar]

You've debunked nothing only tried to legitimize in your own mind why the rise of Froome has occurred through entirely natural means. I've tried to see things from the other side of the coin but just see a desperate attempt to amend the stated facts to suit your viewpoint.

Fair enough. I find the case that Froome is in the same class as Merckx, Hinault and Lemond unconvincing. I don't have a problem if you see the world differently. And I don't think you're amending stated facts.

 

[McLovin]

I come hear now and then, but don't have the time to read 800 pages. Did you find something? A masseur, a needle, a jealous ex-teammate, an unpaid doctor, a paparazzi, something, anything?
Thank you in advance. (I am not trolling)

 

[JimmyFingers]

no whistle blowers, just Leinders and 'transformative' performances, about the same as this time last year. And the year before that.

 

[Benotti69]

no whistle blowers, just Leinders and 'transformative' performances, about the same as this time last year. And the year before that.

Still believe in miracles Jimmy?

 

[EnacheV]

I come hear now and then, but don't have the time to read 800 pages. Did you find something? A masseur, a needle, a jealous ex-teammate, an unpaid doctor, a paparazzi, something, anything?
Thank you in advance. (I am not trolling)

nope, nothing of that kind. nothing new since 2011.

it's awesome how saying few same things, again and again, can get to 8700 posts. amazing isn't it?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Still believe in miracles Jimmy?

Miracles and Santie Claus too

 

[deeno1975]

I come hear now and then, but don't have the time to read 800 pages. Did you find something? A masseur, a needle, a jealous ex-teammate, an unpaid doctor, a paparazzi, something, anything?
Thank you in advance. (I am not trolling)

No proven evidence but some serious circumstantial facts. This is not a court of law but a discussion forum. I too would like hard evidence, however there is some amount of smoke coming out of the froome machine gun!!

 

[ScienceIsCool]

I come hear now and then, but don't have the time to read 800 pages. Did you find something? A masseur, a needle, a jealous ex-teammate, an unpaid doctor, a paparazzi, something, anything?
Thank you in advance. (I am not trolling)

I did an objective analysis (a few pages back) of his performance using time trial results from 2007 to present. Starting at the Tour de Suisse in 2011, Froome's performance suddenly and permanently changed whereby he added an estimated 20% to his FTP.

I added the raw data so that anyone can look at it, graph it, etc. I also did a similar analysis of Cadel Evans which showed a much more reasonable set of data. His early career showed good performance, followed by a steady progression, and then a steady decline in the last few years as he passed his peak.

John Swanson

 

[oldcrank]

I come hear now and then, but don't have the time to read 800 pages. Did you find something? A masseur, a needle, a jealous ex-teammate, an unpaid doctor, a paparazzi, something, anything?
Thank you in advance. (I am not trolling)

Haven't you heard my friend? Monsieur Vayer has power data
from an unnamed rider that finished near Froomey in a recent
race!! What more could you possibly want???

 

[Red Lobster]

I find the case that Froome is in the same class as Merckx, Hinault and Lemond unconvincing.

I agree with you here. Froome would humiliate those three everytime the road went uphill.

 

[webbie146]

Where did you spot the flaw in the VAM calculation?

Ferrari:

"On the ascent to Verbier (638m of difference in height at 7.5%) Alberto Contador (62kg) climbed at 1852 m/h, equal to 6.73 w/kg, developing an average of 417w.

Lance Armstrong (72 kg) climbed at 1720 m/h, equal to 6.25 w/kg, developing 450w.

The difference between their VAM's is 7.4% in favor of Alberto, while Lance, whose body weight is 16% heavier, pushed 8% more watts"

 

[Benotti69]

Miracles and Santie Claus too

bet he brought you a nice rapha outfit

 

[JimmyFingers]

bet he brought you a nice rapha outfit

Nah, my jersey's are from Torm