Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Ripper]

I love how you immediately assume that over 80 must mean 80.1 FML... you guys are pathetic.

Just because Dave B didn't know that he was tested at the UCI centre now you're ****ed off that he was??? Or are you just upset that you have been carrying on about something that was public knowledge all along?

You'll always find something to complain about.

Trollin', trolling', trolling for a good time.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

A VO2 max over 80 at that stage of his career is a sign of talent.

After 20ish, VO2max doesnt change significantly. Decreases with age are outweight by increases in fitness, but its not really something to imprOve dramatically.

Edit: I hate to leave this without a citation, but I only have it in-print, and a smartphone and will not ruin my thumbs quoting.

Edit 2: abbreviated: 33 elite runners with sinificant perfoance increase (avg 1.7% for men) with a .15 decrease in vo2 max over 3 years (legaz Arrese 2005)
Also, Paula Radcliffe's VO2max was unchanged between 1993 and 2003, (Jones, 2006)

 

[thehog]

Lets be fair Hog. Its pretty good for someone who is pushing sprinters and time trialling in sandals.

Haha! LOL!

I wonder what Henderson's v02 max is? Well more importantly what is Henderson's vo2 max when being pushed by Froome!

 

[Granville57]

... you guys are pathetic.

Ah. Insults from the Inner Circle.

That should help the cause.

 

[thehog]

To clarify:

Assuming figures and all that:

Thor: 80kg, VO2max of 86ml/kg/min = 6.8l/min
Froome: 75kg, VO2max of 80ml/kg/min = 6.0l/min

Thor is actually capable of consuming more than 10% more oxygen than Froome, per minute.

So it comes back to efficiency and other factors for determining performance, clearly.

But 80ml/kg/min? Ain't nobody got time fo dat at the pointy end of a GT, IMO.

Correct. Brett Aitken was 93.9 cleans.

Froome 80! Proves one thing. He's a doper.

Brett Aitken
I only googled this because I was watching a documentary on tv about it. I scored 93.9 ml/kg/min at the South Australian Institute of Sport in 1991 and 93.6 ml/kg/min in 1989 and wanted to know if it was the highest ever recorded. I went on to win Olympic Gold in Sydney 2000 in the Madison Cycling event 'drug free'! If Chris Barnes had done his research he would have seen that Stuart O'Grady and Brad McGee (also in cycling) had tested above 92 at SASI under the sports scientist 'Neil Craig' who also worked under the AIS in the 90's.

 

[Cyivel]

Ah. Insults from the Inner Circle.

That should help the cause.

Do we know it's definitely her not just someone pretending to be and with plans to make people think less of Froomey by insulting us

 

[Digger]

Do we know it's definitely her not just someone pretending to be and with plans to make people think less of Froomey by insulting us

ha!! that's CIA black ops stuff right there!

False flag terrorism

 

[Digger]

My time away from twitter and today has again shown me that Froome is clean. Clean as a whistle.
And this conspiracy theory business has got to stop.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

It's old and crusty, but this seems apt ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik

 

[Digger]

This link says it's between 80 and 85

Who needs exact science anyway

http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/rue89-sport/2013/07/21/remporte-tour-france-chris-froome-lanomalie-244390

 

[roundabout]

After 20ish, VO2max doesnt change significantly. Decreases with age are outweight by increases in fitness, but its not really something to imprOve dramatically.

Edit: I hate to leave this without a citation, but I only have it in-print, and a smartphone and will not ruin my thumbs quoting.

Edit 2: abbreviated: 33 elite runners with sinificant perfoance increase (avg 1.7% for men) with a .15 decrease in vo2 max over 3 years (legaz Arrese 2005)
Also, Paula Radcliffe's VO2max was unchanged between 1993 and 2003, (Jones, 2006)

Well, yes.

But if one was to suppose that Froome had a bit of weight that he could lose and did not have the best possible coaching in South Africa as an Elite-2 rider then having a VO2 max over 80 would be a sign of ability.

 

[martinvickers]

This link says it's between 80 and 85

Who needs exact science anyway

http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/rue89-sport/2013/07/21/remporte-tour-france-chris-froome-lanomalie-244390

The link says it WAS between 80, and 85, to be absolutely fair, back in the Aigle days - the point being explicitly made by the coach from the time that this was before he lost weight - "he wasn't sharp" - and that he 'must' therefore be above 85 now (at time of writing).

p.s. good to see you back, D.

 

[The Hitch]

Do we know it's definitely her not just someone pretending to be and with plans to make people think less of Froomey by insulting us

Well we can't think much less of Froomey.

I agree with you it could be fake though. Some of that stuff posted was so stupid. Then again the mc twitter account posted equally stupid stuff eg - "do you believe I would date Froome if I thought he was doping" lol.

But if it is fake on here, its someone having their own private joke.

 

[Digger]

Sky transparency thing from Brailsford is like a father telling his child he can have any bar of chocolate he wants.
Then the son says 'I want that one.'

Father says, 'obviously not that bar, but you can have the one I give you.'
Son, 'you told me I could get any bar I wanted.'

Father 'right, you're not getting a bar now and you're not allowed to ever ask again.'

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Well, yes.

But if one was to suppose that Froome had a bit of weight that he could lose and did not have the best possible coaching in South Africa as an Elite-2 rider then having a VO2 max over 80 would be a sign of ability.

You're right. Weight could drop matter. Not going to look and do math now though. Training not so much. (That same Radcliffe study said that she was running 25-35 miles/week, and 120-130 10 years later. Totally different training (and probably lighter too...))

Either way, there is a lot out there that vo2 max and ability/performance are poorly connected.

His number isn't important, the management and inconsistancy is.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Sky transparency thing from Brailsford is like a father telling his child he can have any bar of chocolate he wants.
Then the son says 'I want that one.'

Father says, 'obviously not that bar, but you can have the one I give you.'
Son, 'you told me I could get any bar I wanted.'

Father (aggressively leaning in towards the son), "Be careful. Be very careful now..."
...
Father 'right, you're not getting a bar now and you're not allowed to ever ask again.'

Fix that for you ;-)

 

[Dear Wiggo]

This link says it's between 80 and 85

Who needs exact science anyway

http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/rue89-sport/2013/07/21/remporte-tour-france-chris-froome-lanomalie-244390

I'm guessing it was under 85ml/kg/min (which would have been "well over 80" - "beaucoup plus de").

Good post, DW

 

[The Hitch]

Sky transparency thing from Brailsford is like a father telling his child he can have any bar of chocolate he wants.
Then the son says 'I want that one.'

Father says, 'obviously not that bar, but you can have the one I give you.'
Son, 'you told me I could get any bar I wanted.'

Father 'right, you're not getting a bar now and you're not allowed to ever ask again.'

lol that is quite an accurate analogy actually

 

[Granville57]

Sky transparency thing from Brailsford is like a father telling his child he can have any bar of chocolate he wants.
Then the son says 'I want that one.''

Which one?

 

[Digger]

Fix that for you ;-)

That part of the vid speaks volumes...all cocky and smooth talking...then bang. Defensive and cranky.

 

[roundabout]

This link says it's between 80 and 85

Who needs exact science anyway

http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/rue89-sport/2013/07/21/remporte-tour-france-chris-froome-lanomalie-244390

Or there was more than 1 test done

The Froome Hi-Q pic is priceless though

Edit:

Dans nos tests de puissance, il est le seul à être arrivé au palier 14. La majorité des coureurs s’arrête au dixième.

Ramp test?

 

[Digger]

Or there was more than 1 test done

The Froome Hi-Q pic is priceless though

Yeah - fair point

Good call on the original prediction btw

Poor Brailsford kept in the dark about his VO2 test...you'd have thought it would have come up somewhere along the way as they were hiring him...obviously not though,
I really need to trust more. These guys are busting their *** seven hours a day while I am here at my keyboard getting fatter and fatter

 

[thehog]

This link says it's between 80 and 85

Who needs exact science anyway

http://rue89.nouvelobs.com/rue89-sport/2013/07/21/remporte-tour-france-chris-froome-lanomalie-244390

To be honest this has confirmed my thoughts. No way even at 85 he's climbing and TT'ing like he is.

Froome 2009/2010 is about right for 85. Could potentially win a stage of the Tour in a break or a 1.2 one day race in Italy. But no way does he go full *** on Ventoux like he did at 85.

No chance. Kid is doping. Period.

 

[Digger]

But they told him that if he attacked whilst in the saddle it would be more efficient.
So whenever I see Alberto attacking out of the saddle I roar 'sit down dumby you'll go way faster.'

 

[Justinr]

So now you think Froome is a doper?
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Hmmm. Ya' don't say. Actually, you did say it, and it is quite revealing.

"The amount of coverage he got for cancer."
I'll agree with you there. He did get a lot of mileage out of that cancer thingy. And he most certainly did raise a tremendous amount of money "in relation" to it.

But I believe there may already be a thread somewhere on here about Lance...

NO - I didnt say that. Read the post, when I said "I have changed my mind" it was to do with my view on the cancer stuff. I mistakenly thought that the money went to research and it seems its didnt. Thats why I changed my mind.

And please dont screw with me on this - my family has been touched by cancer and it is something that I would never want anyone to go through.