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Digger

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thehog said:
Hang on!

You mean they tested those little kiddies for vo2 max? and we can't get the Dawg in the lab for a test!?? :eek:
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Look Hog I am sick of these conspiracy theories by you. He has NEVER been tested. Ok? And they refuse to test him just to placate these anonymous internet trolls!!
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
Lots of evidence of doping, no proof of doping.

Have any evidence of cleanness?
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I cant prove it either way.

Its what keeps these threads going DW with post and counter-post and why i enjoy reading and posting on here.
 
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Ripper said:
Wow ... you've jumped the shark my friend. By any chance were you an Armstrong supporter?
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No i'm not a supporter - although i am pleased with the amount of coverage he got for cancer and the money he raised in relation to it.

Slightly odd question - where does "youve jumped the shark" come? Never heard it before.
 
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No i'm not a supporter - although i am pleased with the amount of coverage he got for cancer and the money he raised in relation to it.
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What money? After an audit the foundation was backed into a corner and ended up admitting that not a single cent goes to cancer research or treatments. It all goes to 'promoting cancer awareness'.

Because people don't know that cancer is bad and need to be made aware.

Justinr said:
Slightly odd question - where does "youve jumped the shark" come? Never heard it before.
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Happy Days, the TV show. When it became stale they tried stunts to up the viewer numbers, to the ridiculous point that in one episode the main character Fonzie tried to jump over a pond containing a shark, in a jet-ski

It's since become a term for something that has gone on so long it's become stale. There's an episode of Arrested Development where they make fun of that by having the actor who played Fonzie literally jump over a dead shark to not get his shoes dirty.
 
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What money? After an audit the foundation was backed into a corner and ended up admitting that not a single cent goes to cancer research or treatments. It all goes to 'promoting cancer awareness'.

Because people don't know that cancer is bad and need to be made aware.



Happy Days, the TV show. When it became stale they tried stunts to up the viewer numbers, to the ridiculous point that in one episode the main character Fonzie tried to jump over a pond containing a shark, in a jet-ski

It's since become a term for something that has gone on so long it's become stale. There's an episode of Arrested Development where they make fun of that by having the actor who played Fonzie literally jump over a dead shark to not get his shoes dirty.
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In that case i have changed my view - thanks for pointing that out.
 
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Justinr said:
In that case i have changed my view - thanks for pointing that out.
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So now you think Froome is a doper?
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Justinr said:
No i'm not a supporter - although i am pleased with the amount of coverage he got for cancer and the money he raised in relation to it.
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Hmmm. Ya' don't say. Actually, you did say it, and it is quite revealing.

"The amount of coverage he got for cancer."
I'll agree with you there. He did get a lot of mileage out of that cancer thingy. And he most certainly did raise a tremendous amount of money "in relation" to it.

But I believe there may already be a thread somewhere on here about Lance...
 
Dear Wiggo

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Justinr said:
I cant prove it either way.

Its what keeps these threads going DW with post and counter-post and why i enjoy reading and posting on here.
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I'm not asking you to prove it, just supply some evidence - any evidence. You know. Seatpost bolts. Brailsford saying they are clean. That kind of stuff.
 
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Dear Wiggo said:
I'm not asking you to prove it, just supply some evidence - any evidence. You know. Seatpost bolts. Brailsford saying they are clean. That kind of stuff.
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Funny thing is that all those hundreds of thousands of $ Sky spent to change location of seatpost bolts, they could have just used silicone and duct tape to cover them up. Works great.
 
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Dear Wiggo

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veganrob said:
Funny thing is that all those hundreds of thousands of $ Sky spent to change location of seatpost bolts, they could have just used silicone and duct tape to cover them up. Works great.
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With legs going 120+ rpm 30-50 cm in front of those seatpost bolts, 0.1-10mm either side of the top bar, I am guessing bolt placement means diddly squat in terms of aerodynamic gain at the base of your seatpost.
 
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veganrob said:
Funny thing is that all those hundreds of thousands of $ Sky spent to change location of seatpost bolts, they could have just used silicone and duct tape to cover them up. Works great.
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Perhaps at the Wednesday Night Worlds, my friend, but it's not UCI compliant.
 
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the sceptic said:
If Froome climbs hautacam at 7.0w/kg with a blood bag hanging from his bike and Dr Leinders injecting him from the sky car, it still wouldnt be enough.

"Whats in the bag", Martin Vickers would ask. "It could be anything. Unless you have any evidence it is blood, we must assume it was just randomly placed there, and could be any liquid with a red colour. I refuse to have an opinion on what the constitues of the bag might be. For all we know, it could come form a parallel universe, or it could be a hallucination."
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Here's an idea, Sceptic. Stick to commenting on what I actually say, and stop making up lies about what I would say to make yourself feel better.
 
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BYOP88 said:
"He already had a VO2 max of more than 80."

Of course he has and I just checked and my foreskin has grown back!
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Even if it was that, that's not high enough at all for what he has done.
 
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BYOP88 said:
"He already had a VO2 max of more than 80."

Of course he has and I just checked and my foreskin has grown back!
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Just behind EBH.

86.4 Edvad Boasson Hagen - road cyclist from Norway. Figure taken from article on syklingens verden website, from 2008.
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and Thor:

86.0 Thor Hushovd - cycling -listed in an article on http://www.fasterskier.com.
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http://www.topendsports.com/testing/records/vo2max.htm

As an aside I just read the comments section on that article from a Brett Aiken:

Brett Aitken • 11 months ago
I only googled this because I was watching a documentary on tv about it. I scored 93.9 ml/kg/min at the South Australian Institute of Sport in 1991 and 93.6 ml/kg/min in 1989 and wanted to know if it was the highest ever recorded. I went on to win Olympic Gold in Sydney 2000 in the Madison Cycling event 'drug free'! If Chris Barnes had done his research he would have seen that Stuart O'Grady and Brad McGee (also in cycling) had tested above 92 at SASI under the sports scientist 'Neil Craig' who also worked under the AIS in the 90's.
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To be honest I doubt anyone in the PT ranks has a VO2max under 70, and 80 would almost be the entry point, I would have thought.

LeMond's was 90 something, and Froome is kicking LeMond performances, right? [ETA: and as previously mentioned, O'Grady, Aitken, McGee all tested damn high, as did Will Walker].

The best score from Norwegian professional road bicycle racer Thor Hushovd was 86 ml/kg/min (as listed in an article on http://www.fasterskier.com, 10 Oct 2005).
http://www.topendsports.com/testing/results/vo2-max.htm
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So big fvcking deal, rght?

I think chasing VO2max is a furphy, as it's impacted by doping, and provides an indication of your level potential (perhaps) (pro, pro conti, conti) but is nowhere near as useful as say FTP, for example, for predicting performance. But FTP is also impacted by doping.

Keep in mind - Froome was at WCC as an African, not a Brit. So he had the best VO2max from Africa, with its vast and rich heritage of cycling history and palmares. Or something. (sarcasm right there for the folks at home).

If it was 80, and he was 71kg (5 kg heavier than his racing 66kg), his VO2max appears to jump to 86. But that value is ml/kg/min, and is what is known as "relative VO2max" - ie relative to your weight.

So it's good for rider comparisons, but just coz you lost weight does not mean you can actually consume more oxygen per minute. Your absolute VO2max is ml/min, and would be unchanged.
 
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So the guy had to re-check his files to remember that Froome was quite a bit better than Chtioui en Teklehaimanot in tests
Surely the difference between those two and a future Tour winner (destroyer) should be, let's say, enormous or so?
Like, not even remotely in the same league?
 
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Dear Wiggo

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To clarify:

Assuming figures and all that:

Thor: 80kg, VO2max of 86ml/kg/min = 6.8l/min
Froome: 75kg, VO2max of 80ml/kg/min = 6.0l/min

Thor is actually capable of consuming more than 10% more oxygen than Froome, per minute.

So it comes back to efficiency and other factors for determining performance, clearly.

But 80ml/kg/min? Ain't nobody got time fo dat at the pointy end of a GT, IMO.
 
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