Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[laurel1969]

Who knows.

I think he's a cheater, but I think he is demonized in here, in the way that Armstrong is, and to an extent Horner (although his is more ridicule). This claim of him being 'dangerous' is a prime example.

 

[No_Balls]

Who knows.

Not that you are in the slighest intrested to find out.

I think he's a cheater, but I think he is demonized in here

Translated: Despite him being a cheater, he is not worthy demonization because i am fan. Contador should be demonized because i am not a fan.

I wouldn't care about this, but for the fact that Contador gets off lightly by comparison. I think Contador is worthy of equal demonization if not more.

Oh, you do care. At every point in Froome/Sky-related things we see
your concerns little Skybot-troll there. Best part is that you actually pretend you are against doping.

After all, he has been caught, tried to feed us a BS story about it must have been a specific piece of meat, whined about it ad nauseam, omertered all over the place and brought down several GTs with him.

You do realise this is the Chris Froome-thread right? I know you religious skybots wants to talk about other dopers (most of all Contador) all day to keep the pressure of the thought your little darling is not the standard-bearer of the self-proclaimed CLEAN attitude the purpose of this thread is due to expose, but the asking of a Contador-demonization in a Chris Froome-thread is a little too obivious even from a more subtle Sky-bot as yourself.

 

[the sceptic]

I love that the bots now think Froome is doping, in order to complain about how he gets treated differently than other dopers.

But I suppose its progress from sitting on the fence.

 

[laurel1969]

Jeez another one creeps out of the woodwork.

 

[Afrank]

Let's avoid this path that will likely lead to insults and bickering before it begins.

Laurel1969, your more then free to go bring up and discuss topics about Contador in the Contador thread.

 

[DirtyWorks]

According to Veloclinic's model, Froome and Contador went alien.

http://veloclinic.tumblr.com/post/96991635593/fast-climb-fast-analysis-vuelta-stage-16

If I read it right, Veloclinic is cautious about the validity of his model on shorter climbs.

 

[Hawkwood]

I really couldn't give a stuff what his riding style and aesthetics are like. And consider it about is irrelevant to the question of doping as it gets. Far as I know no other riders complain about him being dangerous to them, I doubt there's enough strength in those flailing arms to knock anyone off a bike anyway

He looked healthier when he was less successful, and less so now. Not surprised the toll all these crashes take, top cyclists are like a bag of bones these days

All Vuelta I've wondered if he's tried a new approach to try and peak for the third week, considering his relative problems at the conclusion of last years tour. Needless to say if that's true, and he pulls it off, this place will go berserk!

Is it just me, or did the riders often look ungainly, especially on the climbs, pre EPO? Having more limited gear ranges probably didn't help in those days either.

 

[Ferminal]

According to Veloclinic's model, Froome and Contador went alien.

http://veloclinic.tumblr.com/post/96991635593/fast-climb-fast-analysis-vuelta-stage-16

If I read it right, Veloclinic is cautious about the validity of his model on shorter climbs.

It's not that short, plus it has a ~25min false flat lead in. Shorter climbs regularly appear more alien in the numbers as often they are full gas for the vast majority, or if it's the usual 1500m dash then it makes up a greater proportion of the measured climb.

Effort is almost always the primary driver. Fast or slow can often mean just that, rather than a fair indicator of performance, leaving you with not a whole lot to stand on when it comes to comparison. But you hope over a GT you get at least one full gas day.

 

[Rollthedice]

According to Veloclinic's model, Froome and Contador went alien.

http://veloclinic.tumblr.com/post/96991635593/fast-climb-fast-analysis-vuelta-stage-16

If I read it right, Veloclinic is cautious about the validity of his model on shorter climbs.

It all came at the end of a stage with 4 cat .1 climbs and one cat.2 in the last day of three succesive mountain stages. Mutant is about right.

 

[DirtyWorks]

It's not that short, plus it has a ~25min false flat lead in. Shorter climbs regularly appear more alien in the numbers as often they are full gas for the vast majority, or if it's the usual 1500m dash then it makes up a greater proportion of the measured climb.

I wasn't clear. I meant he's cautious about having confidence in his model's results in the earlier, relatively short, climbs in the 2014 Vuelta. The *last* climb, was certainly long and he has confidence his model works well for that climb.

 

[burning]

I wasn't clear. I meant he's cautious about having confidence in his model's results in the earlier, relatively short, climbs in the 2014 Vuelta. The *last* climb, was certainly long and he has confidence his model works well for that climb.

I think he only took last 6km for the calculations, so the climb is fairly short in this case. They were going really fast but I don't think that they were in the mutant region.

 

[Ferminal]

I wasn't clear. I meant he's cautious about having confidence in his model's results in the earlier, relatively short, climbs in the 2014 Vuelta. The *last* climb, was certainly long and he has confidence his model works well for that climb.

Sounds good. Anything above 15mins should be OK with the usual disclaimers.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I think he only took last 6km for the calculations, so the climb is fairly short in this case. They were going really fast but I don't think that they were in the mutant region.

As ferminal posted, even though the measured portion was some 6km getting to the measured climb was done at a tremendous pace, on a very long climb, during a mountainous day, after days of hills, almost the third week.

They were going NOT NORMAL fast.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

As ferminal posted, even though the measured portion was some 6km getting to the measured climb was done at a tremendous pace, on a very long climb, during a mountainous day, after days of hills, almost the third week.

They were going NOT NORMAL fast.

Yes. "Suspect" as hell for riders who are not in top shape. They more or less soft pedaled the hardest climbs of the day, though.

 

[doperhopper]

So, sooooo, finally, we've seen The Marginal Vrrroooom trademark 200 rpm seated attack, still not Ventoux-grade (had to go out of the saddle) but the initial acceleration was so impressive that Dirtie forgot how the morning coffee tasted. Can't wait for next year, Clentador dancing, Vroomie spinning... the only question is, behind or in front of Nairito?

 

[D-Queued]

So, sooooo, finally, we've seen The Marginal Vrrroooom trademark 200 rpm seated attack, still not Ventoux-grade (had to go out of the saddle) but the initial acceleration was so impressive that Dirtie forgot how the morning coffee tasted. Can't wait for next year, Clentador dancing, Vroomie spinning... the only question is, behind or in front of Nairito?

The more Gogulski says no way can Froome pull something off like that, and no way would that be his strategy for the stage, the more likely Froome will do the impossible. And, improbably, putting even more time on Clentador and everyone else.

...

I have to say, though, I am just loving the NBC Universal Sports coverage and Todd Gogulski's "I don't know where Froome gets that power from..."

That after going on and on about how he expects Froome to falter, and not get stronger as the stages get harder and harder, one after the next.

It is a return to the theater of the absurd that we so enjoy in professional cycling. Admittedly, Froome's cadence is a little low. Perhaps focusing on that will offer us next year's marginal gains.

Dave.

Nice post Dave.

Dave.

 

[Froomster]

I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles.

I have to say, though, I am just loving the NBC Universal Sports coverage and Todd Gogulski's "I don't know where Froome gets that power from..."

Vege juice?

New bike?

Asthma attack?

 

[zlev11]

The more Gogulski says no way can Froome pull something off like that, and no way would that be his strategy for the stage, the more likely Froome will do the impossible. And, improbably, putting even more time on Clentador and everyone else.

Dave.

Gogulski's complete befuddlement at what he's seeing from Froome is so great. He completely lost his mind during Stage 14 when Froome suddenly appeared in front of Contador and then attacked after it looked like he was completely finished 2km earlier.

I've decided I like having Froome around, because his antics are always entertaining, whether it be his miraculous recoveries or insane high-cadence accelerations. As long as Sky doesn't US Postal the field to death, it's fun to watch.

 

[D-Queued]

Gogulski's complete befuddlement at what he's seeing from Froome is so great. He completely lost his mind during Stage 14 when Froome suddenly appeared in front of Contador and then attacked after it looked like he was completely finished 2km earlier.

I've decided I like having Froome around, because his antics are always entertaining, whether it be his miraculous recoveries or insane high-cadence accelerations. As long as Sky doesn't US Postal the field to death, it's fun to watch.

Agreed.

It may be artificially assisted, and its increasingly hard to forget about Valv.Piti and Clentador, but it is entertaining.

Dave.

 

[Ferminal]

That was so clear with Froome from Day 0 (err 2011).

 

[Froomster]

Modern cycling just wouldn't be the same without the Dawg.

 

[deeno1975]

The lights will start to flicker in the Sky Hotel tonight as they charge up the Froomester to go The Full Monty tomorrow. 1 million watts.

"She can't take no more captain"

 

[laurel1969]

The lights will start to flicker in the Sky Hotel tonight as they charge up the Froomester to go The Full Monty tomorrow. 1 million watts.

"She can't take no more captain"

Michelle will be on hand to make sure it all goes alright...

 

[Hawkwood]

The lights will start to flicker in the Sky Hotel tonight as they charge up the Froomester to go The Full Monty tomorrow. 1 million watts.

"She can't take no more captain"

`The Fully Monty' you have seen the film haven't you

 

[Gavandope]

I really couldn't give a stuff what his riding style and aesthetics are like. And consider it about is irrelevant to the question of doping as it gets. Far as I know no other riders complain about him being dangerous to them, I doubt there's enough strength in those flailing arms to knock anyone off a bike anyway

He looked healthier when he was less successful, and less so now. Not surprised the toll all these crashes take, top cyclists are like a bag of bones these days

All Vuelta I've wondered if he's tried a new approach to try and peak for the third week, considering his relative problems at the conclusion of last years tour. Needless to say if that's true, and he pulls it off, this place will go berserk!

Seems to me he's been gradually ramping up his fitness in this race metronome style, and Ancares tomorrow is going to be an absolute cracker and I will be absolutely glued to Eurosport watching it.

I don't mind either of them winning it really - aesthetically contador is brilliant and mechanically Froome is. Though I will edge my wishes to our Kenyan saffer import simply to see this place erupt!