Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Mellow Velo]

This is not cool at all.

Looks like a beer or soda can maybe? Bounces right off either Froome's arm or leg it seems.

https://vine.co/v/OaJYj6T0lrE

Hope someone caught an image of the clown behind that. So dangerous for everyone. And so incredibly disrespectful.

As if there isn't already enough insanity on these climbs.

 

[Granville57]

It's a stick. In slower motion- http://common.tv2.dk/mpx/player.php/adtech_alias-sporten_vast/guid-FroomePind13092014.html (video take a while to come up)

Definitely not cool.

Damn! And not a very small one by the looks of it.

The race car was right there behind Froome. I wonder if the culprit was pointed out, and if any police were nearby.

Who does that? Wait around all day on a mountain finish just to throw things at the riders?

Not to stray too far off topic, but a similar incident just happened at Cross Vegas. Guys were spraying beer on the riders, and throwing porn star trading cards at the women racers. But they weren't very clever about it. People tracked their images on Instagram and traced them to the bike shop they work at in Buffalo, New York. I doubt they'll be receiving too many Christmas cards this year as a result.

 

[No_Balls]

How can 2nd be dominating? By definition?

Because the guy that was pushing his teammates and nearly lost his contract was the same guy who shredded convicted dopers today?

 

[Afrank]

Damn! And not a very small one by the looks of it.

The race car was right there behind Froome. I wonder if the culprit was pointed out, and if any police were nearby.

Who does that? Wait around all day on a mountain finish just to throw things at the riders?

Not to stray too far off topic, but a similar incident just happened at Cross Vegas. Guys were spraying beer on the riders, and throwing porn star trading cards at the women racers. But they weren't very clever about it. People tracked their images on Instagram and traced them to the bike shop they work at in Buffalo, New York. I doubt they'll be receiving too many Christmas cards this year as a result.

Drunken idiots I assume.

 

[kingjr]

Drunken idiots I assume.

And crazy fanboys. Or drunken crazy idiot fanboys.

 

[hrotha]

Because the guy that was pushing his teammates and nearly lost his contract was the same guy who shredded convicted dopers today?

What does Froome's being a doper have to do with his not being dominant right now?

I saw the insult, by the way.

 

[red_flanders]

It isn't easy being a cycling fan these days. Convicted yet aesthetically pleasing doper vs obvious yet aesthetically ugly doper. Not an easy choice.

Obvious aesthetically ugly doper who writes idiotic book passages mocking convicted obvious doper.

Easy choice.

 

[laurel1969]

Well I'm over all the focus that's put on Froome. My issue with him was not only that he's personally ridiculous (Contador: check), or that his team as a whole is ridiculous (Tinkoff: check), but that he was dominating while being so ridiculous. Right now, Froome doesn't dominate, and Sky struggles. Contador, meanwhile, is going to win his 6th GT. He's a bigger problem.

That's really interesting, Hrotha. I made exactly the same point a few days back, but whereas you've had no response, I had the usual band of troll jerks come out of their holes for a group attack. Hilarious.

There are probably loads of cheats in the peloton, but the one that matters most is the one who wins.

 

[laurel1969]

Some pretend they are anti doping, but all they really care about is hypocritical stirring.

Yup. Which is why I don't understand the hog ban. He's on a wind up, but he does it in a clever, interesting and sometimes funny way. He adds colour. The Sceptic is a far more obvious choice for a ban. Says nothing interesting, just tries to stir hatred.

 

[Almeisan]

Strong tactical race today by Froome, unless of course he was desperately trying to defend his second place, ignoring everything else.

 

[D-Queued]

Strong tactical race today by Froome, unless of course he was desperately trying to defend his second place, ignoring everything else.

Agreed.

With thousands and thousands of posts on my record criticizing anyone that vaguely resembles a doper, I have to admit that I am enjoying this Vuelta more than any other and definitely more than any other stage race this year. Most years I lose interest in the Vuelta before it even starts.

In fact, knowing the doping history of Valv.piti and Clentadore arguably adds the the interest factor.

For all his looking down and checking that he is maintaining his power output within a hundredth of a watt, Froome appears to know his strengths and weaknesses better than anyone else. He certainly isn't an Armstrong who had to ride at 130 rpm, out of the saddle, to burn off his excess power.

What makes it interesting is not whether Contadope is going to do another boring rope-a-dope stage, but 1. If Froome can hang on while others attack. If he does, then 2. will he be able to open a gap.

Dave.

 

[deeno1975]

He certainly isn't an Armstrong who had to ride at 130 rpm, out of the saddle, to burn off his excess power.
.

Maybe you missed the multiple attacks, seated and standing trying to get rid of Contador... Back to the wind tunnel to perfect the seated attack. Next time it'll be 180rpm on 80% climb

 

[ChewbaccaD]

They're both clean, get over it.

I think you meant

They're both clen, get over it.

 

[kingjr]

I think you meant

I meant what I said, but nice one anyways

 

[Dr. Juice]

I think that's partly due to a huge misconception about The Clinic, that is often put forward as a criticism of The Clinic—that being that The Clinic is supposed to be this bastion of ANTI-DOPING.

Where that comes from, I've no idea.

The Clinic is a place to DISCUSS doping, and since the very topic isn't even "allowed" into other some other sections of the forum, this is where the doping talk takes place.

The Clinic was never established as The International Center to Stamp Out Doping. It's simply a place to discuss it without people whining about the fact that it's being discussed.

Some people are vehemently anti-doping.
Some people would prefer a free-for-all.
Some people are completely ambivalent on the matter.
Some people hold more than one view depending on any number of issues.

It is not the responsibility of The Clinic to end doping or to crucify every single person who dopes. It is a place to further one's understanding of doping.

People are free to cheer for whatever doper, or as many dopers as they like. Doing so does make that person a hypocrite just because they post in The Clinic.

No one signed an agreement of being anti-doping when they showed up here. It's simply not part of the equation.

As the sub-title of this sub-forum indicates, the purpose of The Clinic is to "discuss doping-realted issues."

It seems quite straight forward to me.

One of the best posts in quite a while. Big thumbs up.

 

[del1962]

What is even more ridiculous is that anyone thinks this year's Vuelta is any less ridiculous than last year's.

Froome looked alien today for sure, it's just that a rider with far superior physiological skills doped to his level, and in that instance the less talented rider will always lose. Sucks for Froome, but if Clentadope and he are on the same program, Clen wins every time.

Heck of a lot of assumptions made there.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

People are free to cheer for whatever doper, or as many dopers as they like. Doing so doesn't make that person a hypocrite just because they post in The Clinic.

No doubt about that... But those people who crucify riders here because they are doping, while the same time cheering for "their" doper(s) is indeed hypocrisy. And that is true for most of the posters.

 

[the sceptic]

Heck of a lot of assumptions made there.

makes more sense than your assumption that Froome is cleans.

 

[del1962]

No doubt about that... But those people who crucify riders here because they are doping, while the same time cheering for "their" doper(s) is indeed hypocrisy. And that is true for most of the posters.

Well they can always say they look ugly on the bike to give them a reason to hate, while cheering those who they think are doping, it is like being with a bunch of 12 year olds

Scrap that, that is an insult to 12 year olds

 

[Granville57]

No doubt about that... But those people who crucify riders here because they are doping, while the same time cheering for "their" doper(s) is indeed hypocrisy. And that is true for most of the posters.

It's a topic worthy of further discussion, but we need to either find the right thread for that or create a new one. My post was in response to another, but I don't want to derail the always-entertaining topic of Chris Froome.



And I've corrected one crucial typo in my original post.

"Doing so doesn't make that person a hypocrite."

(Although I think the meaning was conveyed by the context)

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Well they can always say they look ugly on the bike to give them a reason to hate, while cheering those who they think are doping, it is like being with a bunch of 12 year olds

Scrap that, that is an insult to 12 year olds

OFC. That´s just the excuse to make their doper(s) look better than they are.
... Funny thing (as a side note); Benotti just used the "12 year olds" insult to the RR thread posters. Well, I think they are more mature. Not so bitter, not too much insulting each other, staying more on topic, being more informative...
Just my two cents.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

It's a topic worthy of further discussion, but we need to either find the right thread for that or create a new one. My post was in response to another, but I don't want to derail the always-entertaining topic of Chris Froome.

No problem. I fully agree with the rest of your post. The hypocrite thing just needed to be mentioned.

 

[Granville57]

I can't think of a single positive aspect to it, but perhaps I erred in that assumption.

That is (perhaps unintentionally) a brilliant play on words.

But I don't think the topic of doping needs to be looked at in a positive or negative light (there's just no way getting around all the innuendo here ).

It's a broad topic that can be discussed without the emotional attachment. Of course emotions will come into play, and that's fine. But emotions don't need to drive the entire conversation, nor do morals and ethics. There are many aspects to the topic, and they will (and should) shape the conversation in many different ways.

 

[Granville57]

It's a topic worthy of further discussion.

New thread created here:
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=22996

Apologies to the Froome thread for the diversion.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Yes but what about those bits flapping about in the wind, not aerodynamic!

Michelle keeps those in her purse...