Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[LaFlorecita]

@Hitch it's a common thing for Sky fans to say. I am just wondering if Froome feels embarrassed because he knows he's just as bad. Psychology of a doper

 

[TheSpud]

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So what is the excuse? Froome is sick?

Probably still recovering from the illness the other week. And probably they are more cautious on the TUE front, not because its necessarily against the rules but due to the publicity.

I haven't watched it but if he is sick, why not pull him and fill him with a TUE OOC so he can train?

 

[TheSpud]

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So who you have had as DS counts as evidence, but going from grupetto to Tour winner doesn't?

I didn't say it didn't count, but I'm talking about AC. You know - having 3 of the most infamous DSs in the sport. And blood bags & training plans with his initials on that clearly can't be connected to him, in a country that had no anti doping laws ...

Barloworld were hardly a clean team and Sky most definitely aren't. They destroyed Dr.Ferrari's teams.

Well Barloworld had a +ve / drugs raid - one rider from memory (feel free to correct me). Your view on Sky is your view - I've shared mine.

 

[Benotti69]

Brailsford picking Millar for Olympics just before he gets busted for Epo. Hi sister knew he was doping. Brailsford knew and was very willing to pick a doper for TeamGB. So Brailsford doesn't get off. Froome worked with Leinders, doping doctor extraordinaire. Froome came from gruppetto to 2nd La Vuelta (would've won it if not for Wiggins). Froome has lied about his Bilharzia. Froome wont release his numbers. Froome wont release or take a Vo2max test. Froome never in a wind tunnel yet can beat TTers like Tony Martin.

Froome is a doper. End of. Sky dope. End of. OOC cortisone is a smoke screen.

 

[peloton]

Looks like Froome has Badzilla again.

 

[the sceptic]

Re: Re:

So what is the excuse? Froome is sick?

at least he wasn't dropped by Greipel

Yeah so what?

 

[SeriousSam]

The Dawg is absurd. From barely good enough to be a pro to Armstrong 2.0. Wish I knew the cocktail.

 

[The Hitch]

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But you know what? I think AC is cleaner than previously, certainly in 2013 - he looked totally out of it. Really suffering and puffing - not like the past. I cant comment on 2014 since I didn't really watch the Tour after CF dropped out, and the Vuelta doesn't get as much hype as the Tour over here (although the coverage is about the same).

I'm confused. You can tell how much contador is doping purely based on watching his performance on tv.

So now performance IS an acceptable metric by which to judge doping?

But totally not acceptable for anyone else to do it with sky riders. Hmm

 

[TheSpud]

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But you know what? I think AC is cleaner than previously, certainly in 2013 - he looked totally out of it. Really suffering and puffing - not like the past. I cant comment on 2014 since I didn't really watch the Tour after CF dropped out, and the Vuelta doesn't get as much hype as the Tour over here (although the coverage is about the same).

I'm confused. You can tell how much contador is doping purely based on watching his performance on tv.

So now performance IS an acceptable metric by which to judge doping?

But totally not acceptable for anyone else to do it with sky riders. Hmm

I was saying that in 2013 I thought he looked like a cyclist from years ago - grimacing and having to breathe heavily through his mouth. Before he was popped he looked far more comfortable on the bike. I dont know how he looked in 2014 as I didnt really watch much.

 

[the sceptic]

Re: Re:

But you know what? I think AC is cleaner than previously, certainly in 2013 - he looked totally out of it. Really suffering and puffing - not like the past. I cant comment on 2014 since I didn't really watch the Tour after CF dropped out, and the Vuelta doesn't get as much hype as the Tour over here (although the coverage is about the same).

I'm confused. You can tell how much contador is doping purely based on watching his performance on tv.

So now performance IS an acceptable metric by which to judge doping?

But totally not acceptable for anyone else to do it with sky riders. Hmm

I guess by that logic Froome looks really clean now too?

 

[SkyTears]

Re: Re:

But you know what? I think AC is cleaner than previously, certainly in 2013 - he looked totally out of it. Really suffering and puffing - not like the past. I cant comment on 2014 since I didn't really watch the Tour after CF dropped out, and the Vuelta doesn't get as much hype as the Tour over here (although the coverage is about the same).

I'm confused. You can tell how much contador is doping purely based on watching his performance on tv.

So now performance IS an acceptable metric by which to judge doping?

But totally not acceptable for anyone else to do it with sky riders. Hmm

performance is not an acceptable metric to judge doping

maybe only for a few people, that use it anyway they like to reinforce their position like : he is fast he dopes, same guy he is slow he dopes. nonsense like that

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

I'm confused. You can tell how much contador is doping purely based on watching his performance on tv.

So now performance IS an acceptable metric by which to judge doping?

But totally not acceptable for anyone else to do it with sky riders. Hmm

I was saying that in 2013 I thought he looked like a cyclist from years ago - grimacing and having to breathe heavily through his mouth. Before he was popped he looked far more comfortable on the bike. I dont know how he looked in 2014 as I didnt really watch much.

Oh, so your assessment that he looked "cleaner" in 2013 wasn't based whatsoever on his below-par performance throughout the season?

 

[mrhender]

Not that we should take his word for it but Froome said he is not ill, just heavy legs "feeling like a statue".......

What we see now may just be "Froome au naturelle" with minor setback from race/training pause...

I don't believe he is purposely performing so lousy...

Would be interesting to have a look at his ABP profile...

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

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Not that we should take his word for it but Froome said he is not ill, just heavy legs "feeling like a statue".......

What we see now may just be "Froome au naturelle" with minor setback from race/training pause...

I don't believe he is purposely performing so lousy...

Would be interesting to have a look at his ABP profile...

Also known as a cortisone overkill.

Nothing to see, move along.

 

[Digger]

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suffering and puffing - not like the past. I cant comment on 2014 since I didn't really watch the Tour after CF dropped out, and the Vuelta doesn't get as much hype as the Tour over here (although the coverage is about the same).

and that is all we need to know

 

[TheSpud]

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suffering and puffing - not like the past. I cant comment on 2014 since I didn't really watch the Tour after CF dropped out, and the Vuelta doesn't get as much hype as the Tour over here (although the coverage is about the same).

and that is all we need to know

The point i was making, that you cared to ignore, was a comparison between 2010 and 2013. I said i couldnt compare with later because I hadnt watched it. I dont really know what you mean with your comment - so, I didnt watch 2014 much? Not relevant to your point.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

suffering and puffing - not like the past. I cant comment on 2014 since I didn't really watch the Tour after CF dropped out, and the Vuelta doesn't get as much hype as the Tour over here (although the coverage is about the same).

and that is all we need to know

The point i was making, that you cared to ignore, was a comparison between 2010 and 2013. I said i couldnt compare with later because I hadnt watched it. I dont really know what you mean with your comment - so, I didnt watch 2014 much? Not relevant to your point.

What's funny is that you said you stopped watching the Tour after Froome dropped out so you can't comment on Contador 2014, but Contador showed absolutely nothing at the Tour. All the good things he showed were before and after the Tour.

 

[The Hitch]

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suffering and puffing - not like the past. I cant comment on 2014 since I didn't really watch the Tour after CF dropped out, and the Vuelta doesn't get as much hype as the Tour over here (although the coverage is about the same).

and that is all we need to know

The point i was making, that you cared to ignore, was a comparison between 2010 and 2013. I said i couldnt compare with later because I hadnt watched it. I dont really know what you mean with your comment - so, I didnt watch 2014 much? Not relevant to your point.

Who cares what point you were making. You are posting amongst people you have repeatedly insulted and degraded. Many of the points you have made are on the border between idiotic and trolling - e.g. froome and Porte can't know where to start the madone climb, ergo they didn't really beat Armstrong's time (proven wrong first by logic then by facts).

So no one is interested in your points. What people are interested in are your slip ups, mistakes that highlight your hypocrisy and backward way of thinking.

E.g. that you do judge riders and how much they are doping by how good their performances are. Which is hilarious since you claim it is scandalous for anyone to do likewise with sky.

Or as digger pointed out, that you comment on races and events you have no clue about.

What I find more interesting about that comment is that you admit you stopped watching the tdf the second froome crashed out.

So your fandom for froome (or at least sky leaders) is such that you refuse to even watch races If he isn't there. And this also happens to be the one rider you believe is clean and spend all your time defending as such on internet boards.

That is a far more telling point than whatever point it was that you actually wanted to make.

 

[red_flanders]

Re: Re:

performance is not an acceptable metric to judge doping

maybe only for a few people, that use it anyway they like to reinforce their position like : he is fast he dopes, same guy he is slow he dopes. nonsense like that

Of course it is. When someone consistently performs at a level no clean rider has ever performed, that is reason to strongly, strongly suspect doping. When that rider previously had no performances which indicated they were a top talent, let alone a world-beater, it is as close to proof of doping as anything I can imagine.

If you don't think performance is indication of doping I would tend to wonder why anyone would dope. Oh...I remember. Because it increases performance.

You can't ride at the speeds which were ridden from '94-2010 clean. Period. If you do, you are 99.99% likely to be doping. End of story.

 

[pastronef]

Dawg's fine, calm down.

https://www.twitter.com/chrisfroome/sta ... 7782985728

 

[ebandit]

froome busted

i recall the 'pre epo era'.................perfectly normal for riders to experience 'bad' days

Mark L

 

[zalacain]

Yep Anquetil was very like Froome when he suffered a "jour sans"

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

suffering and puffing - not like the past. I cant comment on 2014 since I didn't really watch the Tour after CF dropped out, and the Vuelta doesn't get as much hype as the Tour over here (although the coverage is about the same).

and that is all we need to know

The point i was making, that you cared to ignore, was a comparison between 2010 and 2013. I said i couldnt compare with later because I hadnt watched it. I dont really know what you mean with your comment - so, I didnt watch 2014 much? Not relevant to your point.

Who cares what point you were making. You are posting amongst people you have repeatedly insulted and degraded. Many of the points you have made are on the border between idiotic and trolling - e.g. froome and Porte can't know where to start the madone climb, ergo they didn't really beat Armstrong's time (proven wrong first by logic then by facts).

So no one is interested in your points. What people are interested in are your slip ups, mistakes that highlight your hypocrisy and backward way of thinking.

E.g. that you do judge riders and how much they are doping by how good their performances are. Which is hilarious since you claim it is scandalous for anyone to do likewise with sky.

Or as digger pointed out, that you comment on races and events you have no clue about.

What I find more interesting about that comment is that you admit you stopped watching the tdf the second froome crashed out.

So your fandom for froome (or at least sky leaders) is such that you refuse to even watch races If he isn't there. And this also happens to be the one rider you believe is clean and spend all your time defending as such on internet boards.

That is a far more telling point than whatever point it was that you actually wanted to make.

Calm down, you'll give yourself a heart attack. So what if i stopped watching the 2014 race because Froome had dropped out - do I need your permission now to do so? I did actually say i hadn't really watched AC in 2014 so couldn't comment.

As for repeated insults and degradation, i think youll find that has come from the longer term members who repeatedly make false sockpuppet accusations (despite repeated instructions from mods not to do so), one of whom who is now serving a six month ban.

 

[GuyIncognito]

Re: froome busted

i recall the 'pre epo era'.................perfectly normal for riders to experience 'bad' days

Mark L

I remember the EPO era. When it was even more common.
Heck, why stop there? At the height of EPO abuse I remember a certain french sprinter suddenly dominating a Vuelta, mountain finishes and all, so thoroughly....until he had a bad day and lost 8 minutes in 5 kms of a climb.

Reminds me of LeMond talking about Floyd's drug use and his bad day on the La Toussuire stage. I forget the exact words, but the message was 'drugs make you go faster on good days and faster on bad days, but everything else is just as normal. If you think drugs prevent bad days, please stay out of the discussion until you've gained knowledge'

 

[ebandit]

guyincognito.....................there are always different examples to support conflicting opinion but to suggest

members be disqualified from posting for expressing differing thought......................well? i guess i'm not the

only one who could learn...................

Mark L