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[The Hitch]

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Cycling journalists are such a joke. How the **** did cycling equipment improve that much since the Lance years?

but hey, at least Froome admits that he and others are climbing faster that known dopers. I guess that means the clinic was right all along, thanks Martin and Jimmyfingers for your 10000 posts on this issue.

Good point. for a long time it was denied that they had gone faster. Especially while JV was in his - its clean cos its slower, phase.A principle he, and Walsh, abandoned the second it no longer fit with the story he was trying to sell.

 

[BYOP88]

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Cycling journalists are such a joke. How the **** did cycling equipment improve that much since the Lance years?

but hey, at least Froome admits that he and others are climbing faster that known dopers. I guess that means the clinic was right all along, thanks Martin and Jimmyfingers for your 10000 posts on this issue.

Whatever happened to Vickers?

 

[ebandit]

yes

my guess is that since Froome is backed by a billion dollar media buisness it's a bit harder to go after him.

yes! but surely beeb journalists would love to get one over their rivals sky?

remember the backing FIFA have.......did not stop the beeb

Mark L

 

[Escarabajo]

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He says things like this and no questions/eyebrows asked. Journalists turned to something like ghostwriters for the pope.

Froome is confident that the performances we see over the next three weeks will stand the test of time. He believes the faster times we are seeing up climbs these days – in many instances faster even than those at the height of the EPO era – are not due to doping but rather to more sophisticated training and recovery techniques.

Does that really account for a 15 per cent gain, the rough figure by which EPO was said to improve performance? “I believe so,” he says.

“If you look at the difference now, those 10-15 per cent performances were back-to-back. I honestly feel that the sport is evolving through equipment.”

Edit: Take notes journos. Dawg admits that they are riding faster and that is due to recovery techniques before doping. Hence no doping. Now you cant scream "doping" when a non-brit beats Dawg because they simple have a superior equipment and better recovery techniques.

So they finally said, "the Hec with it, we are going to do it the Pantani way". No shame anymore. They realize that the UCI, Journos and some of their ignorant fans are giving them a pass to do it.

 

[ebandit]

perma

Cycling journalists are such a joke. How the **** did cycling equipment improve that much since the Lance years?

but hey, at least Froome admits that he and others are climbing faster that known dopers. I guess that means the clinic was right all along, thanks Martin and Jimmyfingers for your 10000 posts on this issue.

Whatever happened to Vickers?

permabanned by SB........returned from months ban as a sockpuppet...........

Mark L

 

[the sceptic]

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Cycling journalists are such a joke. How the **** did cycling equipment improve that much since the Lance years?

but hey, at least Froome admits that he and others are climbing faster that known dopers. I guess that means the clinic was right all along, thanks Martin and Jimmyfingers for your 10000 posts on this issue.

Whatever happened to Vickers?

I don't know but I hope he got some professional help

 

[JimmyFingers]

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Cycling journalists are such a joke. How the **** did cycling equipment improve that much since the Lance years?

but hey, at least Froome admits that he and others are climbing faster that known dopers. I guess that means the clinic was right all along, thanks Martin and Jimmyfingers for your 10000 posts on this issue.

I'd be interested if you could find a post of mine saying that about Froome, let alone a 10000. But crack on, doesn't matter what I actually say, just what you misrepresent me as saying.

 

[No_Balls]

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He says things like this and no questions/eyebrows asked. Journalists turned to something like ghostwriters for the pope.

Froome is confident that the performances we see over the next three weeks will stand the test of time. He believes the faster times we are seeing up climbs these days – in many instances faster even than those at the height of the EPO era – are not due to doping but rather to more sophisticated training and recovery techniques.

Does that really account for a 15 per cent gain, the rough figure by which EPO was said to improve performance? “I believe so,” he says.

“If you look at the difference now, those 10-15 per cent performances were back-to-back. I honestly feel that the sport is evolving through equipment.”

Edit: Take notes journos. Dawg admits that they are riding faster and that is due to recovery techniques before doping. Hence no doping. Now you cant scream "doping" when a non-brit beats Dawg because they simple have a superior equipment and better recovery techniques.

So they finally said, "the Hec with it, we are going to do it the Pantani way". No shame anymore. They realize that the UCI, Journos and some of their ignorant fans are giving them a pass to do it.

Yup. You know a guy has serious skeletons in his closet when he is prepared to give convicted dopers like those pulling these times the benefit of the doubt. But whats worse is that he feels he have the protection to say it (and i guess the others have too).

Embrace yourself - full Alien GT is coming.

 

[The Hitch]

Apparently Trek are riding with lights.

I can just see Brailsford taking Walsh aside and saying - look Dave - ALL other teams ride with lights. We at Sky however don't ride with lights. So we save 2 kg in weight giving us an extra 25% boost over ALL other riders in the sport.

And Walsh will put it in the next book.

Its the exact same scam brailsfraud run last year when he got retiring David Millar to say he doesn't warm down on the bikes and that example from a guy in the gruppeto was used to extrapolate that absolutely NO ONE outside sky EVER warms down on bikes.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Except JV said that very few did in this forum

 

[The Hitch]

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Except JV said that very few did in this forum

And? It doesn't matter if the guys finishing 20-180 warm down or not. What matters is whether Froome's rivals do it.

As if JV is suddenly trustworthy anyway. Guy is a proven liar and cheat.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I was pointing out that the hyperbole wasn't correct, that Millar wasn't the only one saying it.

 

[Benotti69]

check out how skinny Froome is

https://twitter.com/arnoldvweiler/status/617248213599453184

holy ***, guy should be in a hospital??????????

 

[ebandit]

do ASO still have health checks prior to tour start?............this i agree with tour contenders appear

unnaturally /unhealthily thin.........would a too low BMI trip alarms and stop a rider starting?

Mark L

 

[LaFlorecita]

Uhm not "tour contenders" but only Froome is THAT skinny. 2-3% body fat? Contador and Nibali are around 5-6%

 

[the sceptic]

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check out how skinny Froome is

https://twitter.com/arnoldvweiler/status/617248213599453184

holy ****, guy should be in a hospital??????????

Froome is a walking chemical experiment. I almost feel sorry for him.

 

[frenchfry]

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check out how skinny Froome is

https://twitter.com/arnoldvweiler/status/617248213599453184

holy ****, guy should be in a hospital??????????

Nice veins, key to being a successful GT rider.

 

[Kokoso]

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Uhm not "tour contenders" but only Froome is THAT skinny. 2-3% body fat? Contador and Nibali are around 5-6%

Doubt Contador and Nibali are much skinnier than Froome. Little bit, maybe.

 

[SeriousSam]

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do ASO still have health checks prior to tour start?............this i agree with tour contenders appear

unnaturally /unhealthily thin.........would a too low BMI trip alarms and stop a rider starting?

Mark L

BMI is a population concept (and does a decent job predicting what it ought to there, namely health risks when too high, though not as well as circumference around the navel). It's of no use for elite sports.

Excessively low body fat is unhealthy, but so is pro sports.

What I'd love to know is what allows one to get down to such extremely low levels of body fat as an elite athlete. Clenbuterol? AICAR? Testosterone (would then risk putting on unwanted muscle mass)?

 

[gillan1969]

that's not low body fat though...well, it is, but more worrying (in a doping and longterm health way) its the loss of muscle in the upper body (arms...please don't let him take off his top)...were it not for the fact he can turn a 53x12 you would think he had a muscle wasting disease..cyclists have lost weight before but losing that much muscle is....v suspicious

 

[Benotti69]

that's not low body fat though...well, it is, but more worrying (in a doping and longterm health way) its the loss of muscle in the upper body (arms...please don't let him take off his top)...were it not for the fact he can turn a 53x12 you would think he had a muscle wasting disease..cyclists have lost weight before but losing that much muscle is....v suspicious

55x11 for a TT.

Tony Martin was apparently turning a 56x8 today.

It will be interesting to see the longterm effects, if any for some of today's skinny riders. I am surprised Merckx is still alive considering how much he must have taken, but good respondsers to dope might also have strong resistance to the negative effects of PEDs.

 

[Electress]

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Uhm not "tour contenders" but only Froome is THAT skinny. 2-3% body fat? Contador and Nibali are around 5-6%

Doubt Contador and Nibali are much skinnier than Froome. Little bit, maybe.

No way. Looking at the picture of all 4 of them and those signs, Alberto and Nairo could pass for 'slender but just about normal' - you don't have the impression they should be getting food concentrate sachet via Oxfam. Nibali is obviously taller and too thin for his frame, but Froome is another level.

Irrespective of PEDS, his hormone / vitamin systems have to be on a knife edge at these body fat levels. Immue system will be buggered.

I don't want to know what he'll be like in two weeks.

 

[del1962]

BMI figures don't really come into it though as someone of Froome's height could actually go down to a weight of 63.6kg and still be in the range for his height, this of course does not take into account his lower body muscle mass (muscle weighing more than fat)

 

[Benotti69]

Paul Kimmage ‏@PaulKimmage 45m45 minutes ago
In 2012, @chrisfroome finished 11th in the Tour prologue at Liege. A year later he blitzed the favourites by +2 minutes in TT. Today? 39th.

Chris Froome ‏@chrisfroome 28m28 minutes ago
@PaulKimmage In 2012 major focus on TT with long TDF TT’s & Olympic TT. Haven’t spent half as much time on my TT bike this year, no point.

Froome says no point to TT train this year..........

 

[Gloin22]

So what's special about that picture? Lol

When you lower your body fat to 5/6/7% that happens...veins pop out..its normal..lower amount of tissue around your body...you cant keep that for lon but its still possible for few weeks under totally controlled diet..

Doesnt mean he isnt doping or anything, but really there's nothing special about that picture whatsoever..