Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[The Hitch]

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You're talking about people who dedicate their lives to their career many of whom risk their health by doping.

So, no.

That was quite a pathetic attempt actually. Try again.

Speaking from experience are we?

I just so happens to be an ex elite athlete so I well know that most pro athletes could do more to maximize their results. Heck, I even know an athlete who is ranked fourth in the world (not a cyclist) and even this person admits that he/she could do more. I have trained with World champion medalists and I have seen their rise and demise up close so stop talking about things you obviously know nothing about.

Wiggins said 2010 was a result of poor focus. He was on the pub drinking and didn't put in the effort required to perform and thus the results dropped. But this is just all lies, right?

Right. So because wiggins claims he was in the pub in 2010, that means that Nibali and Contador and Quintana also go to the pub all the time while Froome trains really hard and this is the advantage he gains?

This is exactly the stupidity that exists in the world that unfortunately allows frauds like Brailsford and Brunyeel to prosper.

You guys like to talk about "evidence" all the time. Funny how its only used when convenient though. Neither Sky, nor their legions of fans, yourself included have ever provided a shred of evidence that their opponents do not also use marginal gains. Yet its universally considered and presented as some sort of undisputed fact.

Ironically all the examples that exist of people not using marginal gains come from Sky riders themselves. Or from their fans who are always always, regardless of discussion, willing to come up with personal anecdotes that back up whatever the latest line from Sky is.

 

[hrotha]

Could you please elaborate on Froome and Contador's TT positions beyond "Is not! Is too!"?

 

[Singer01]

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Could you please elaborate on Froome and Contador's TT positions beyond "Is not! Is too!"?

but that statement could be applied to every comment in every thread in the clinic.
i know lots of people like to regurgitate other peoples scientific data as if they understand it, but ultimately i reckon less than 1% of people on here are qualified to do so.

 

[Supimilian]

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Could you please elaborate on Froome and Contador's TT positions beyond "Is not! Is too!"?

vs.

This is typical positions for those two when being tired in a TT. From the front because that's where it matters. It's the torso position and angle. More distance from seat to top of shoulders vertically=more surface area under => more drag. Froome is also narrower relative to his size.
Imagine a ski jumper position where the front of the torso is trying to catch the air to get lift. The opposite is obviously the objective here.
Compare these two in this, you will get it consistently favoring Froome. And it's blatantly obvious visually in stills like these.
This should not be necessary to point out to a serious fan that has followed the sport for a while, but there you go.

 

[Singer01]

using 2 self selected snap shots to try and prove this point is absolute horsesh!t, and i dont' disagree with your premise.

 

[SeriousSam]

There are people posting in the clinic that have seen both meaured aero coefficient and the riding style/position of many riders. If anyone can make a reasonable guess based on footage or photos alone, it's those people. I think for the rest of us, a 95% CI around what we think Froome's coefficient is will inevitably include that of Contador and other rivals, if we're being honest.

 

[Supimilian]

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using 2 self selected snap shots to try and prove a point is absolute horsesh!t, and i dont' disagree with your premise.

I agree with you somewhat. Two snapshots is not proof, but I cant be bothered posting 75 comparisons, and you will generally find the same tendencies when comparing these two, like stated. So the point is still valid.

 

[Digger]

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You're talking about people who dedicate their lives to their career many of whom risk their health by doping.

So, no.

That was quite a pathetic attempt actually. Try again.

Speaking from experience are we?

I just so happens to be an ex elite athlete so I well know that most pro athletes could do more to maximize their results. Heck, I even know an athlete who is ranked fourth in the world (not a cyclist) and even this person admits that he/she could do more. I have trained with World champion medalists and I have seen their rise and demise up close so stop talking about things you obviously know nothing about.

Wiggins said 2010 was a result of poor focus. He was on the pub drinking and didn't put in the effort required to perform and thus the results dropped. But this is just all lies, right?

My god -

 

[oldcrank]

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About the TT position, Froome's position being aero, does not exclude Contador's from being aero too.
Nothing wrong with this TT position

Alberto Staring At Stem Shocker!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Wiggins said 2010 was a result of poor focus. He was on the pub drinking and didn't put in the effort required to perform and thus the results dropped. But this is just all lies, right?

lolnope.

Try again.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Go ahead then, tell me what's so terribly wrong with that TT position.

More tense upper body. Looking down in this shot makes his head position look lower than it usually is. It looks better than it usually is from him in this photo. But still worse.
I never said it was a TERRIBLE position. Never even said it was a bad one ffs.
But it is not AS GOOD as Froomes, which is actually pretty damn good.

lolnope.

Try again.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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vs.

Compare these two in this, you will get it consistently favoring Froome. And it's blatantly obvious visually in stills like these.

I can guarantee when you take a shot from 2 different angles of 2 different riders you can prove anything. You are comparing apples and oranges and that's just the POV of the shot in 3 dimensions.

This comparison is utter merde di torro.

So: lolnope.

Try again.

 

[TheSpud]

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So: lolnope.

Try again.

Is that your standard answer now?

 

[Froomster]

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Could you please elaborate on Froome and Contador's TT positions beyond "Is not! Is too!"?

vs.

This is typical positions for those two when being tired in a TT. From the front because that's where it matters. It's the torso position and angle. More distance from seat to top of shoulders vertically=more surface area under => more drag. Froome is also narrower relative to his size.
Imagine a ski jumper position where the front of the torso is trying to catch the air to get lift. The opposite is obviously the objective here.
Compare these two in this, you will get it consistently favoring Froome. And it's blatantly obvious visually in stills like these.
This should not be necessary to point out to a serious fan that has followed the sport for a while, but there you go.

Seriously, that has to be the weakest effort I've ever seen. Anyone who has ever watched a single TT by these two men could not possibly concur with your post.

 

[red_flanders]

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Could you please elaborate on Froome and Contador's TT positions beyond "Is not! Is too!"?

vs.

This is typical positions for those two when being tired in a TT. From the front because that's where it matters. It's the torso position and angle. More distance from seat to top of shoulders vertically=more surface area under => more drag. Froome is also narrower relative to his size.
Imagine a ski jumper position where the front of the torso is trying to catch the air to get lift. The opposite is obviously the objective here.
Compare these two in this, you will get it consistently favoring Froome. And it's blatantly obvious visually in stills like these.
This should not be necessary to point out to a serious fan that has followed the sport for a while, but there you go.

Seriously, that has to be the weakest effort I've ever seen. Anyone who has ever watched a single TT by these two men could not possibly concur with your post.

My favorite part is attempting to relegate the discussion to stills, as video will show one rider crawling all over his bike like he's got a skin infection and the other riding with suplesse.

 

[Supimilian]

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vs.

Compare these two in this, you will get it consistently favoring Froome. And it's blatantly obvious visually in stills like these.

I can guarantee when you take a shot from 2 different angles of 2 different riders you can prove anything. You are comparing apples and oranges and that's just the POV of the shot in 3 dimensions.

This comparison is utter merde di torro.

So: lolnope.

Try again.

There are two photos provided of Froome in excellent TT positions, and these are the front shots I could find of him.
That is typical Contador position, and you know it. And you will find this pattern if you look at many of them.
Again, some of you are basically denying critical observers legitimacy by attaching your idiocy to the fight for transparency in the sport. Now people can just dismiss it because of the ignorance and obnoxiousness of fine specimens as yourself. Yours is a good tactic if you were act as Sky shill basically

 

[Dear Wiggo]

To clarify: I have little or no issue with Froome's riding style per se. I have posted a pic of him on aero bars of a TT bike on a set of rollers - not something people can just walk in off the street and do, IME / IMO.

This pissing match anti-Contador pro-Froome is utter BS though - you can't possibly know that stuff.

On the bike Froome looks ugly. That's undeniable. His stem staring is remarkable.

His performance though - that's fricken alien.

 

[Supimilian]

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To clarify: I have little or no issue with Froome's riding style per se. I have posted a pic of him on aero bars of a TT bike on a set of rollers - not something people can just walk in off the street and do, IME / IMO.

This pissing match anti-Contador pro-Froome is utter BS though - you can't possibly know that stuff.

On the bike Froome looks ugly. That's undeniable. His stem staring is remarkable.

His performance though - that's fricken alien.

Straight up ignorant thing to say.
And the power is crazy and suspect, no one is denying that.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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That is typical Contador position, and you know it.

Incorrect. I don't know it.

And you will find this pattern if you look at many of them.

I doubt it. You yourself said that's what he looks like tired. Typically irrelevant.

Again, some of you ie me are basically denying critical observers legitimacy ie your legitimacy - whatever that means by attaching your idiocy snarky snarky tsk tsk your photos are a pile of shite and no one other than your self aggrandizing self is going to disagree to the fight for transparency ok suddenly you lost me. I don't take drugs so you might want to back up a bit and rewrite that in every day english bud in the sport. Now people can just dismiss it because of the ignorance lolnope try again and obnoxiousness your photos are stupid. that's a fact. the obnoxiousness is all yours of fine specimens I consider myself more a coarse specimen as yourself .

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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To clarify: I have little or no issue with Froome's riding style per se. I have posted a pic of him on aero bars of a TT bike on a set of rollers - not something people can just walk in off the street and do, IME / IMO.

This pissing match anti-Contador pro-Froome is utter BS though - you can't possibly know that stuff.

On the bike Froome looks ugly. That's undeniable. His stem staring is remarkable.

His performance though - that's fricken alien.

Straight up ignorant thing to say.
And the power is crazy and suspect, no one is denying that.

Not as ignorant as seriously posting "tense upper body". Dude. Chill out. No one believes you. No one. Because you are not believable and cannot possibly know if his body in that photo is tense or not.

You said:

More tense upper body. Looking down in this shot makes his head position look lower than it usually is. It looks better than it usually is from him in this photo. But still worse.

Which outs you as clueless and generally making sht up.
1. You cannot possibly know his upper body is tense
2. Anyone with a modicum of aero experience knows a pointy tail pointed up is worse aerodynamically, yet in your wisdom and vast TT experience, you chose only to say it makes his head look lower. Not that it's aerodynamically suicide.

Ya know? Ya kind outed yourself there bud.

 

[Supimilian]

Ok then... Mr. 7k post man has yelled "NOPE!!!!" 'cross the land without further explanation.
I must yield.

 

[Supimilian]

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To clarify: I have little or no issue with Froome's riding style per se. I have posted a pic of him on aero bars of a TT bike on a set of rollers - not something people can just walk in off the street and do, IME / IMO.

This pissing match anti-Contador pro-Froome is utter BS though - you can't possibly know that stuff.

On the bike Froome looks ugly. That's undeniable. His stem staring is remarkable.

His performance though - that's fricken alien.

Straight up ignorant thing to say.
And the power is crazy and suspect, no one is denying that.

Not as ignorant as seriously posting "tense upper body". Dude. Chill out. No one believes you. No one. Because you are not believable and cannot possibly know if his body in that photo is tense or not.

You said:

More tense upper body. Looking down in this shot makes his head position look lower than it usually is. It looks better than it usually is from him in this photo. But still worse.

Which outs you as clueless and generally making sht up.
1. You cannot possibly know his upper body is tense
2. Anyone with a modicum of aero experience knows a pointy tail pointed up is worse aerodynamically, yet in your wisdom and vast TT experience, you chose only to say it makes his head look lower. Not that it's aerodynamically suicide.

Ya know? Ya kind outed yourself there bud.

Upper arm angle.. The rest is already covered.
Why does he have do be terrible at everything anyways? He steal your girl or something?
So childish. Everyone agrees he looks terrible and is suspect as hell.
..and the tail is not up. The body is very level, which gives a minimized area. In both of those photos. Even Fat Tony isn't much more level than that.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The rest points out your lack of actual understanding of aerodynamics bud. Feel free to refute.

 

[Supimilian]

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The rest points out your lack of actual understanding of aerodynamics bud. Feel free to refute.

Refute what? You have nothing.
...bud.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Upper arm angle.. The rest is already covered.

Uhhhh you ever TTd before? :?

Why does he have do be terrible at everything anyways? He steal your girl or something?
So childish. Everyone agrees he looks terrible and is suspect as hell.

You play the "steal your girl" card and then call me childish?

After falsely accusing me of posting that Froome is terrible at everything?

After I posted and then told you I posted I have no issue with his style per se and even posted a pic of him riding a TT bike on aero bars on rollers?

Seriously?

Why don't you tell us what you think is Froome's biggest clue to doping?