Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[86TDFWinner]

IIRC, Didn't Froome boast not too long ago about missing some sort of testing, due to being in the shower or some other lame excuse? or am I thinking of someone else?

He showers a lot because people keep throwing pi'ss at him.

I bet.

 

[Benotti69]

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The biggest 'marginal gain' I've heard of is Sky reorganising the allocations so the riders get their own hotel rooms (aided by using beds in their vehicles).

From personal experience, that's not 'marginal', that's massive. One decent night's sleep may not make much of a difference, but sleeping well for the duration? Not having to put up with the nocturnal habits of another (snoring, loo visits, noise due to injuries, general restlessness, etc)?

I've seen sarky comments about pillows, etc, but the same people haven't mentioned this. Sleep is so important, and how many other teams manage a room per rider?

Etix-Quickstep bring their own matteresses for riders. Some teams bring their own air conditioning as some hotels dont have them or it is broken. Rasmussen was bringing his own pillow long before Sky. He doesn't put that down to the reason he was in yellow. That Sky are the only team that are addressing this again is a joke.

 

[buckle]

I suspect it might take more than thirty years for SKY to be exposed. They are that well protected. To give an example, Germany pulled down the Berlin Wall twenty five years ago. What people don't know is that the British army built a five km "peace wall" in Belfast more than forty years ago and it is still operational but nobody knows about it. If you can keep a huge wall secret for that length of time, a doping program is child's play.

More "protected" than Wonderboy? Doubtful. Someone from Sky will piss someone else off, and voila! The hammer will fall. Wonderboy was WELL protected for over a decade, but cracks showed almost immediately.

I hope you are right but I don't share your optimism as I visited Belfast last month and was shocked. The Americans are amateurs when it comes to subterfuge and the code of omerta.

 

[buckle]

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The biggest 'marginal gain' I've heard of is Sky reorganising the allocations so the riders get their own hotel rooms (aided by using beds in their vehicles).

From personal experience, that's not 'marginal', that's massive. One decent night's sleep may not make much of a difference, but sleeping well for the duration? Not having to put up with the nocturnal habits of another (snoring, loo visits, noise due to injuries, general restlessness, etc)?

I've seen sarky comments about pillows, etc, but the same people haven't mentioned this. Sleep is so important, and how many other teams manage a room per rider?

You mean SKY have discovered sleep?

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

The biggest 'marginal gain' I've heard of is Sky reorganising the allocations so the riders get their own hotel rooms (aided by using beds in their vehicles).

From personal experience, that's not 'marginal', that's massive. One decent night's sleep may not make much of a difference, but sleeping well for the duration? Not having to put up with the nocturnal habits of another (snoring, loo visits, noise due to injuries, general restlessness, etc)?

I've seen sarky comments about pillows, etc, but the same people haven't mentioned this. Sleep is so important, and how many other teams manage a room per rider?

You mean SKY have discovered sleep?

No Sky have reinvented sleep

 

[TheSpud]

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We heard all this before with Armstrong.

And there we go again - Armstrong did /said this therefore they (Sky) must be doping ...

The point I was making on budget was that if you have the biggest you can get the best. I have read that Sky/FOX have in the past paid £30m a year to the team, and I have heard that this is the biggest budget in the peloton.

I don't know how much bigger it is than the others, but lets say - all things equal (# of riders, salaries, etc) that Sky have another £2-3m more than others. Thats only 10% more (doesn't sound a lot does it). I'm sure that could pay for a lot of research in to Ketones (and yes other things aswell). So clearly a bigger budget COULD mean some big differences.

Sorry, but that Sky are repeating old used mantras cannot be unchanged no matter how much the fan would wish it.

Astana is a state funded team. Katusha is a state funded team. Where do Sky have more money or resources say than these?

Oleg a Billionaire with Tinkoff. BMC are not millions behind Sky.

Sky dont have the massive bigger budget that can lend them to using stuff other teams cannot afford. That does not cut it. Other teams use doping, which gives a massive advantage that cannot be beaten by so called 'marginal gains'. So it leads to one conclusion that has been proven many times before in cycling. Doping.

Just because Astana and Katusha are state funded doesnt mean they have more money. This forum is awash with people moaning about Sky being the Big Budget Team and now it appears they arent. So are they or aren't they?

If you want to have a moan about them at least get the story straight. Are they big budget or not? And if they are is that good or bad? Does that mean doping? Oh and do a quick USPS comparison since that now seems to be the benchmark ...

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

The biggest 'marginal gain' I've heard of is Sky reorganising the allocations so the riders get their own hotel rooms (aided by using beds in their vehicles).

From personal experience, that's not 'marginal', that's massive. One decent night's sleep may not make much of a difference, but sleeping well for the duration? Not having to put up with the nocturnal habits of another (snoring, loo visits, noise due to injuries, general restlessness, etc)?

I've seen sarky comments about pillows, etc, but the same people haven't mentioned this. Sleep is so important, and how many other teams manage a room per rider?

Etix-Quickstep bring their own matteresses for riders. Some teams bring their own air conditioning as some hotels dont have them or it is broken. Rasmussen was bringing his own pillow long before Sky. He doesn't put that down to the reason he was in yellow. That Sky are the only team that are addressing this again is a joke.

Thats right Etix do do that and looking at the stats they have blitzed the Tour in the first 10 days - now where is the thread about them ...

 

[Benotti69]

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We heard all this before with Armstrong.

And there we go again - Armstrong did /said this therefore they (Sky) must be doping ...

The point I was making on budget was that if you have the biggest you can get the best. I have read that Sky/FOX have in the past paid £30m a year to the team, and I have heard that this is the biggest budget in the peloton.

I don't know how much bigger it is than the others, but lets say - all things equal (# of riders, salaries, etc) that Sky have another £2-3m more than others. Thats only 10% more (doesn't sound a lot does it). I'm sure that could pay for a lot of research in to Ketones (and yes other things aswell). So clearly a bigger budget COULD mean some big differences.

Sorry, but that Sky are repeating old used mantras cannot be unchanged no matter how much the fan would wish it.

Astana is a state funded team. Katusha is a state funded team. Where do Sky have more money or resources say than these?

Oleg a Billionaire with Tinkoff. BMC are not millions behind Sky.

Sky dont have the massive bigger budget that can lend them to using stuff other teams cannot afford. That does not cut it. Other teams use doping, which gives a massive advantage that cannot be beaten by so called 'marginal gains'. So it leads to one conclusion that has been proven many times before in cycling. Doping.

Just because Astana and Katusha are state funded doesnt mean they have more money. This forum is awash with people moaning about Sky being the Big Budget Team and now it appears they arent. So are they or aren't they?

If you want to have a moan about them at least get the story straight. Are they big budget or not? And if they are is that good or bad? Does that mean doping? Oh and do a quick USPS comparison since that now seems to be the benchmark ...

A quick BMC and Tinkoff comparison was slipped in, but hey dont let that get in the way of the sky way or no way.

When teams are state funded the money is not accounted for.

So are they doping or aren't they? Everything points to doping.

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

The biggest 'marginal gain' I've heard of is Sky reorganising the allocations so the riders get their own hotel rooms (aided by using beds in their vehicles).

From personal experience, that's not 'marginal', that's massive. One decent night's sleep may not make much of a difference, but sleeping well for the duration? Not having to put up with the nocturnal habits of another (snoring, loo visits, noise due to injuries, general restlessness, etc)?

I've seen sarky comments about pillows, etc, but the same people haven't mentioned this. Sleep is so important, and how many other teams manage a room per rider?

Etix-Quickstep bring their own matteresses for riders. Some teams bring their own air conditioning as some hotels dont have them or it is broken. Rasmussen was bringing his own pillow long before Sky. He doesn't put that down to the reason he was in yellow. That Sky are the only team that are addressing this again is a joke.

No, Sky address more than that - but you seem to ignore it ...

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

The biggest 'marginal gain' I've heard of is Sky reorganising the allocations so the riders get their own hotel rooms (aided by using beds in their vehicles).

From personal experience, that's not 'marginal', that's massive. One decent night's sleep may not make much of a difference, but sleeping well for the duration? Not having to put up with the nocturnal habits of another (snoring, loo visits, noise due to injuries, general restlessness, etc)?

I've seen sarky comments about pillows, etc, but the same people haven't mentioned this. Sleep is so important, and how many other teams manage a room per rider?

Etix-Quickstep bring their own matteresses for riders. Some teams bring their own air conditioning as some hotels dont have them or it is broken. Rasmussen was bringing his own pillow long before Sky. He doesn't put that down to the reason he was in yellow. That Sky are the only team that are addressing this again is a joke.

No, Sky address more than that - but you seem to ignore it ...

Again with an attack.

I addressed the point in post about sleep. I have addressed other points elsewhere, which you also attack.....funny that.

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

We heard all this before with Armstrong.

And there we go again - Armstrong did /said this therefore they (Sky) must be doping ...

The point I was making on budget was that if you have the biggest you can get the best. I have read that Sky/FOX have in the past paid £30m a year to the team, and I have heard that this is the biggest budget in the peloton.

I don't know how much bigger it is than the others, but lets say - all things equal (# of riders, salaries, etc) that Sky have another £2-3m more than others. Thats only 10% more (doesn't sound a lot does it). I'm sure that could pay for a lot of research in to Ketones (and yes other things aswell). So clearly a bigger budget COULD mean some big differences.

Sorry, but that Sky are repeating old used mantras cannot be unchanged no matter how much the fan would wish it.

Astana is a state funded team. Katusha is a state funded team. Where do Sky have more money or resources say than these?

Oleg a Billionaire with Tinkoff. BMC are not millions behind Sky.

Sky dont have the massive bigger budget that can lend them to using stuff other teams cannot afford. That does not cut it. Other teams use doping, which gives a massive advantage that cannot be beaten by so called 'marginal gains'. So it leads to one conclusion that has been proven many times before in cycling. Doping.

Just because Astana and Katusha are state funded doesnt mean they have more money. This forum is awash with people moaning about Sky being the Big Budget Team and now it appears they arent. So are they or aren't they?

If you want to have a moan about them at least get the story straight. Are they big budget or not? And if they are is that good or bad? Does that mean doping? Oh and do a quick USPS comparison since that now seems to be the benchmark ...

A quick BMC and Tinkoff comparison was slipped in, but hey dont let that get in the way of the sky way or no way.

When teams are state funded the money is not accounted for.

So are they doping or aren't they? Everything points to doping.

And your point is? you havent actually addressed anything above.

 

[Lyon]

[quote="86TDFWinnerSomeone from Sky will piss someone else off, and voila![/quote]

That's probably what happened earlier today...

 

[Benotti69]

Froome is a doper.

 

[ggusta]

A threat/assurance of bans and I haven't posted anything in days anywhere because this tdf was in the bag before it ever started! What a relief.

Reading the last couple pages, I have sort of lost track.

Is the problem:
A) Sky has come up with such a better doping program, it really has made the whole thing a charade?
B) Sky has come up with such a better doping program, that the race is now a science fair exhibit?
C) Sky has come up with such a better doping program, and your rider's dope is inferior?
C.2) Sky has come up with such a better doping program, I wish they would have raced Lance and dropped him.?
D) A & B
C) A & C
E) All of the above
6) None of the above

Seriously, Is anyone even interested in this year's tdf any longer? I am not because of ....E

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

The biggest 'marginal gain' I've heard of is Sky reorganising the allocations so the riders get their own hotel rooms (aided by using beds in their vehicles).

From personal experience, that's not 'marginal', that's massive. One decent night's sleep may not make much of a difference, but sleeping well for the duration? Not having to put up with the nocturnal habits of another (snoring, loo visits, noise due to injuries, general restlessness, etc)?

I've seen sarky comments about pillows, etc, but the same people haven't mentioned this. Sleep is so important, and how many other teams manage a room per rider?

Etix-Quickstep bring their own matteresses for riders. Some teams bring their own air conditioning as some hotels dont have them or it is broken. Rasmussen was bringing his own pillow long before Sky. He doesn't put that down to the reason he was in yellow. That Sky are the only team that are addressing this again is a joke.

No, Sky address more than that - but you seem to ignore it ...

Again with an attack.

I addressed the point in post about sleep. I have addressed other points elsewhere, which you also attack.....funny that.

?

 

[TheSpud]

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Froome is a doper.

In my view Froome is clean.

Thats my view, like yours is above ...

 

[TheSpud]

IIRC, Didn't Froome boast not too long ago about missing some sort of testing, due to being in the shower or some other lame excuse? or am I thinking of someone else?

No, he missed one test when he was in a hotel in Italy and the hotel didn't allow the testers access to him and the other missed test a few years back he went for a ride I think and forgot about whereabouts. Mo Farah recently missed a test by not hearing the doorbell, you might be thinking of that

Correct - and he never 'boasted' about it. Just another twisted fact I guess ...

 

[Benotti69]

Then Froome will be the 1st clean GT winner since............how is that possible when he had to hang onto motorbikes, even though he was doing all those oh so important marginal gains........yet he was being let go and offered to Bruyneel who rejected him and then Froome went from nowhere in Tour of Poland to 2nd in La Vuelta..........I am glad you believe in miracles.....

 

[Melo]

If you are a Sky or a Froome fan you must think like this: Contador is a doper, right, he was caught with 0.00005 of clenbuterol in his body, Nibali is in a team who dopes, Valverde was suspended two years and Quintana is in the same team, so he's not clean. If you think logical, how in the world a clean no-name rider like Froome becomes a force in TdF at the age of 27-28 and smashes all these well known dopers and great climbers? It makes no sense.

 

[junkie]

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how in the world a clean no-name rider like Froome becomes a force in TdF at the age of 27-28 and smashes all these well known dopers and great climbers?

Easy.
1) Science
2) Preparations
3) Training harder than them amateurish amigos

 

[86TDFWinner]

IIRC, Didn't Froome boast not too long ago about missing some sort of testing, due to being in the shower or some other lame excuse? or am I thinking of someone else?

No, he missed one test when he was in a hotel in Italy and the hotel didn't allow the testers access to him and the other missed test a few years back he went for a ride I think and forgot about whereabouts. Mo Farah recently missed a test by not hearing the doorbell, you might be thinking of that

Correct - and he never 'boasted' about it. Just another twisted fact I guess ...

He did sorta/kinda come off as boasting, as if to mke it seem like he was laughing or boasting about it.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

IIRC, Didn't Froome boast not too long ago about missing some sort of testing, due to being in the shower or some other lame excuse? or am I thinking of someone else?

He showers a lot because people keep throwing pi'ss at him.

I bet.

That just reminded me of Isidro Nozal. He was another guy who had a classic Froome-esque transformation at the Vuelta back in '03. Nearly won it despite little palmarès to speak of beforehand. Grew to notoriety because he didn't shower during Grand Tours because of thinking it would soften his muscles. Can only imagine what would have been going on at ONCE had this kind of reaction been faced. In the 40º+ heat of southern Spain too. Ugh.

 

[86TDFWinner]

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If you are a Sky or a Froome fan you must think like this: Contador is a doper, right, he was caught with 0.00005 of clenbuterol in his body, Nibali is in a team who dopes, Valverde was suspended two years and Quintana is in the same team, so he's not clean. If you think logical, how in the world a clean no-name rider like Froome becomes a force in TdF at the age of 27-28 and smashes all these well known dopers and great climbers? It makes no sense.

LOl! This is also the Armstrong logic many of his fans use/d. What I mean is, they honestly believed that a guy who couldn't even finish in the top 20 pre epo, "SUDDENLY" could rattle off 7 TDF wins, and it was all because "he was on his bike training for 6 hours a day".

So, if Froome can "miraculously" come out of nowhere to win(also put Nibali in this discussion as well), then he must be "cleans".

 

[buckle]

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If you are a Sky or a Froome fan you must think like this: Contador is a doper, right, he was caught with 0.00005 of clenbuterol in his body, Nibali is in a team who dopes, Valverde was suspended two years and Quintana is in the same team, so he's not clean. If you think logical, how in the world a clean no-name rider like Froome becomes a force in TdF at the age of 27-28 and smashes all these well known dopers and great climbers? It makes no sense.

It's very difficult for believers to see reason or think in a reasonable way. Religion and reason should not be mutually exclusive but they are for fanbois. I have sympathy with the fan who threw the unspecified substance at Froome. I'm not condoning the behavior but when confronted with the absurdity of the spectacle it becomes understandable.

 

[gooner]

The Mail on Sunday has learned that after Froome’s breakthrough ride for the British team in the 2011 Vuelta a España, Team Sky general manager Dave Brailsford asked a team doctor if he thought Froome was doping.

‘Dave Brailsford asked the doctor to explain Froome’s transformation and wondered if drugs were being used,’ a source told us. ‘The doctor had no explanation and his own contract was not renewed.’

The Mail on Sunday knows his identity and it is believed he has an entirely unblemished record.

A Team Sky insider said it would not be unusual for Brailsford to want his staff to explain to him how and why riders are excelling. ‘That’s normal,’ a source said. ‘It’s healthy to ask questions and if there had ever been any doubts whatsoever about Chris Froome, the team would have investigated and if there had been anything untoward, he’d have gone.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-3166687/Sky-quizzed-doctor-Chris-Froome-s-integrity-following-British-cyclist-s-breakthrough-ride-2011.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

EDIT:I remember Freeman saying he had doubts after that Vuelta but he stayed on the team afterwards.