Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[Ventoux Boar]

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Not sure where you got the idea that the estimates have been way off.

The confusion comes from the fact that Froome thrashed the field with a performance (allegedly 5.7 w/kg) that appears well within the power of Pinot:

Pinot data was the subject of a study by the University of Besancon. Vayer has it. It was possible to download it for 10 Euros or so, I have a PdF version of it. There's a thread about it too. Pinot's data lists his power output at 7.4W/kg for 5 minutes, 6.5W/kg for 20 minutes, 6.1W/kg for 30 minutes.

If Froome's reported power is correct, an entire peloton of dopers had a collective terrible day, n'est pas?

I'd advice you to be quiet. You're not doing yourself any favours.

Firstly, Ventoux is a 1 hour effort. You can see yourself the drastic decrease in power between a 20 minute effort and a 30 minute effort. It would be natural for an effort twice as long as his 30 minute effort to be significantly lower than 6.1W/kg, no?

Secondly, these are Pinot's absolute maximum values. There's no way he could reproduce these values at the end of a long stage after two weeks of straight racing because human beings (ergo, not Froome) are affected by something called fatigue.

Thanks for the advice. Pinot produced 5.9w/kg on Hautacam, stage 18, 2014. How could he do that?

 

[Ventoux Boar]

More off-topic data. Sorry:

the Inner Ring ‏@inrng
Froome on Col du Soudet to La Pierre St Martin
RPM avg 97
HR avg 158bpm, 174 max
5.78W/kg
via L'Equipe's @a_thomas_commin at Sky press conf.

Inhumane.

 

[hrotha]

Re:

More off-topic data. Sorry:

the Inner Ring ‏@inrng
Froome on Col du Soudet to La Pierre St Martin
RPM avg 97
HR avg 158bpm, 174 max
5.78W/kg
via L'Equipe's @a_thomas_commin at Sky press conf.

Inhumane.

Less inhumane than wrong, really.

 

[BYOP88]

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More off-topic data. Sorry:

the Inner Ring ‏@inrng
Froome on Col du Soudet to La Pierre St Martin
RPM avg 97
HR avg 158bpm, 174 max
5.78W/kg
via L'Equipe's @a_thomas_commin at Sky press conf.

Inhumane.

With those numbers he should be getting dropped by the likes of Gesink, not putting minutes into them.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

More off-topic data. Sorry:

the Inner Ring ‏@inrng
Froome on Col du Soudet to La Pierre St Martin
RPM avg 97
HR avg 158bpm, 174 max
5.78W/kg
via L'Equipe's @a_thomas_commin at Sky press conf.

Inhumane.

With those numbers he should be getting dropped by the likes of Gesink, not putting minutes into them.

Yeah.
Did Sky with all their attention to detail, really not know Gesink released his power data for that climb?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Clearly Pinot does not want to win this year and sat up, to allow Froome unfettered access to the finish line.

Clearly.

 

[Saint Unix]

Re: Re:

Thanks for the advice. Pinot produced 5.9w/kg on Hautacam, stage 18, 2014. How could he do that?

Shorter climb, shorter stage. I reckon 5,9w/kg for a 35 minute climb is about where Pinot's data puts him considering fatigue. He also paced himself very well on Hautacam that day, instead of responding to Nibali's pace.

 

[SeriousSam]

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Clearly Pinot does not want to win this year and sat up, to allow Froome unfettered access to the finish line.

Clearly.

It's just like in 2012. Sky riders peaking at the right time but everyone else is completely subpar, must have forgot the date of the Tour. They just didn't do their homework. Pinot 2014 would have crushed Froome, obviously.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

Clearly Pinot does not want to win this year and sat up, to allow Froome unfettered access to the finish line.

Clearly.

It's just like in 2012. Sky riders peaking at the right time but everyone else is completely subpar, must have forgot the date of the Tour. They just didn't do their homework. Pinot 2014 would have crushed Froome, obviously.

How you can attack when you are sitting 4th wheel doing 420W just trying to hang on?

Ridiculous.

 

[robin440]

my dislike towards sky grows daily!

gesink did betweeen 5,76-6,01 w/kg for that climb (depends which weight you take), and froome did 5,78 and still puts 1:33 into him?

nice

 

[46&twoWheels]

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my dislike towards sky grows daily!

gesink did betweeen 5,76-6,01 w/kg for that climb (depends which weight you take), and froome did 5,78 and still puts 1:33 into him?

nice

energy output tells us nothing about time in general, unless we see power/W = F x t (N x sec)
VAM on the other hand..

Can Froome have a smaller average W/kg and still finishing ahead of Gesink?
I don't know,we should ask a sport physiologist

 

[gazr99]

Re: Re:

my dislike towards sky grows daily!

gesink did betweeen 5,76-6,01 w/kg for that climb (depends which weight you take), and froome did 5,78 and still puts 1:33 into him?

nice

energy output tells us nothing about time in general, unless we see power/W = F x t (N x sec)
VAM on the other hand..

Can Froome have a smaller average W/kg and still finishing ahead of Gesink?
I don't know,we should ask a sport physiologist

What I got from what they said is the w/kg is low due to the osymetric chain rings.

If we do the exact same method for Gesink, Froome's w/kg is around 6.1

 

[Tommy79]

Re: Re:

my dislike towards sky grows daily!

gesink did betweeen 5,76-6,01 w/kg for that climb (depends which weight you take), and froome did 5,78 and still puts 1:33 into him?

nice

energy output tells us nothing about time in general, unless we see power/W = F x t (N x sec)
VAM on the other hand..

Can Froome have a smaller average W/kg and still finishing ahead of Gesink?
I don't know,we should ask a sport physiologist

Froome's data has 6% knocked off to allow for oval chainrings... anyone know what Gesink uses?

And do both sets of data have the climb starting at the same point? Kerrison went with 13.5km from the finish.

 

[harryh]

Re:

the Inner Ring ‏@inrng
Froome on Col du Soudet to La Pierre St Martin
RPM avg 97
HR avg 158bpm, 174 max
5.78W/kg
via L'Equipe's @a_thomas_commin at Sky press conf.

It's only about one km from Col du Soudet to La Pierre St Martin

http://i.imgur.com/3xXf1hd.jpg?1

 

[Carstenbf]

Oval chainrings huh?

Always wondered why people swear to them. Now I know I guess.

 

[Benotti69]

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Why doesnt a journo just take in a pair of scales to the press conference and say 'can you stand on these Chris please ? '

Sky would scream, "machine claibration errors"...............

 

[Tommy79]

Re: Re:

Why doesnt a journo just take in a pair of scales to the press conference and say 'can you stand on these Chris please ? '

Sky would scream, "machine claibration errors"...............

And if he played along people on here would think he had 3 bags of sugar hidden up his butt.

 

[SeriousSam]

Indeed, under a basic Gaussian measurement error model for scales, the 99.99999999999999% confidence interval around this estimate of Froome's weight includes 0kg and 100kg thus we should not be jumping to conclusions about Froome's weight is. It's a fundamentally unknowable quantity.

 

[46&twoWheels]

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Indeed, under a basic Gaussian measurement error model for scales, the 99.99999999999999% confidence interval around this estimate of Froome's weight includes 0kg and 100kg thus we should not be jumping to conclusions about Froome's weight is. It's a fundamentally unknowable quantity.

if we know his height we could try to narrow the interval?

for example [60,76]

close enough

100% probability that it's somewhere in the middle

 

[Benotti69]

Robert Gesink posted his official file online which showed he produced 5.8 w/kg. He was a minute and a half behind Froome......Sky telling lies again.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Why doesnt a journo just take in a pair of scales to the press conference and say 'can you stand on these Chris please ? '

Sky would scream, "machine claibration errors"...............

And if he played along people on here would think he had 3 bags of sugar hidden up his butt.

I envy you the ability to ignore logic and believe people who have constantly fudged the truth.

 

[Tommy79]

Re: Re:

Why doesnt a journo just take in a pair of scales to the press conference and say 'can you stand on these Chris please ? '

Sky would scream, "machine claibration errors"...............

And if he played along people on here would think he had 3 bags of sugar hidden up his butt.

I envy you the ability to ignore logic and believe people who have constantly fudged the truth.

Then Froome will be the 1st clean GT winner since............how is that possible when he had to hang onto motorbikes, even though he was doing all those oh so important marginal gains........yet he was being let go and offered to Bruyneel who rejected him and then Froome went from nowhere in Tour of Poland to 2nd in La Vuelta..........I am glad you believe in miracles.....

Motorbikes?

 

[BYOP88]

Re: Re:

Why doesnt a journo just take in a pair of scales to the press conference and say 'can you stand on these Chris please ? '

Sky would scream, "machine claibration errors"...............

And if he played along people on here would think he had 3 bags of sugar hidden up his butt.

I envy you the ability to ignore logic and believe people who have constantly fudged the truth.

Then Froome will be the 1st clean GT winner since............how is that possible when he had to hang onto motorbikes, even though he was doing all those oh so important marginal gains........yet he was being let go and offered to Bruyneel who rejected him and then Froome went from nowhere in Tour of Poland to 2nd in La Vuelta..........I am glad you believe in miracles.....

Motorbikes?

2010 Giro d'italia. Froome was DNQ for holding on to a motorbike on a climb.

 

[bewildered]

new to cycling?

 

[TheSpud]

So SKY publish data, and the reaction on here? "They're lying". how predictable ...