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TheSpud said:
the sceptic said:
TheSpud said:
How does your approach differ? Would you change your mind if pre-11 data showed he was talented? If not, then what more would you need?
my approach differs because it follows logic and common sense.
of course I won't change my mind. The vast amount of evidence still says Froome is doping. Sky doing a little PR-exercise isn't going to magically make the evidence that he is doping go away.
And no, I'm not going to believe he was a talent even if the numbers say so. The evidence still says he was not a big talent when you look at his results and the way he was treated on the teams he rode on.
Asking me what is going to change my mind is like saying "what can I do to make you believe pigs can fly"
No its not. You say the evidence says he was not a big talent, but you want to see the pre-11 data.
If the pre-11 data shows he did have a big engine (you know 5.7w/kg or more) wouldnt that be 'evidence' that he was a big talent? If not, why not?
Not sure you have a handle on what the numbers actually mean. 5.7w/kg on its own is meaningless. It also doesn't show if one is doping or not as they may have microdosed the night before the test.
You need to know the length of time the value was held, the riders weight at the time and the gradient (if any) of the climb.
A proper FTP test is for one hour, generally most do 20 minutes, normalise to an hour then drop 5% for fatigue.
If Froome was holding 5.7w/kg for one hour FTP test in 2007 at 70kg's then he would have been winning just about every race he was in.
You also don't appear to have a grip on the value in relation to weight;
2007 @ 70kg – 5.7w/kg = 399w avg
No way Froome was producing 400w average power in 2007 for one hour. He'd be winning TT's not falling off his bike or pushing Greg Henderson.
In 2012 at Salamanca Froome for a one hour TT produced 406w avg. You're suggesting that he was doing that in 2007!
Froome averaged 5.8w/kg at 406W for nearly an hour! He paced the event to perfection as the first half had a total altitude gain of 219m and he averaged 414w, versus the second half where the course had a total elevation gain of only 86m and he averaged 398w. There were certainly riders who started the time trial too hard and suffered in the final 20km where Froome ended up gaining ground.
This is the ideal test of one’s true capabilities at what is termed Functional Threshold Power (FTP). A cyclist’s FTP is the average watts they can maintain for a 60-minute effort. Given the fact that Froome’s 47km time trial took him 57 minutes we can easily conclude that his FTP equals a tad more than 400w.
The facts show that on PSM at this year's Tour he did 6.1w/kg for one hour (or just below) on a 10% gradient. Which is utterly insane even for a one off FTP test. Froome performed it 120km into a stage in week 2 of the Tour.
http://www.skysports.com/cycling/news/20192/7452102/froome-trainingpeaks-analysis