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[Praying Mantis]

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Who is Chris Froome??

I believe he is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Overly concerned with PR and his own image, it's one of the reasons why he has so many detractors. Pretending to be something he isn't but sometimes the mask slips. The punch on the fan, as with many instances in the past betrays the softly spoken politeness he portrays in interviews. There is an inner rage that exists and I think he is far from being the nice guy image that he wishes to put across. Tweeting support for the French soccer team in French and now tweeting in Spanish about the punch, it's cringe worthy. The Sky PR team is in overdrive and it's the blatant hypocrisy of him and his team that sickens. I think Sky will have been advising him on how to carry himself and they are obsessed with PR and image.

That said it was a brave descent from Froome even if it was one of the ugliest riding styles I've witnessed on a bike (the cadence was insane). The other teams blundered by allowing the gap increase as much as 25 seconds at one stage and Froome will now win this tour by whatever way his team decide they want to win it. If the heat is turned up on the doping accusations they will ease off on the gas again like they did for his 2 previous wins ( to make it look human). He will only go full mutant if the need exists, and today lessens that chance. It's all about controlling the narrative.

Watching that post-race interview just feels off somehow, like it's been rehearsed and talking points issued. Old-school bike racing? I'm pretty sure he said he was hoping to catch someone on the descent. Was there meant to be a breakaway? Or maybe he was trying to catch the police escort. This media strategy etc bothers me as well, nothing seems genuine. At least I got a laugh out of watching that descent, and so did the commentators. This tour is a foregone conclusion, no attacks, abysmal racing. They practically own this race.

 

[thehog]

Re:

Who is Chris Froome??

I believe he is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Overly concerned with PR and his own image, it's one of the reasons why he has so many detractors. Pretending to be something he isn't but sometimes the mask slips. The punch on the fan, as with many instances in the past betrays the softly spoken politeness he portrays in interviews. There is an inner rage that exists and I think he is far from being the nice guy image that he wishes to put across. Tweeting support for the French soccer team in French and now tweeting in Spanish about the punch, it's cringe worthy. The Sky PR team is in overdrive and it's the blatant hypocrisy of him and his team that sickens. I think Sky will have been advising him on how to carry himself and they are obsessed with PR and image.

That said it was a brave descent from Froome even if it was one of the ugliest riding styles I've witnessed on a bike (the cadence was insane). The other teams blundered by allowing the gap increase as much as 25 seconds at one stage and Froome will now win this tour by whatever way his team decide they want to win it. If the heat is turned up on the doping accusations they will ease off on the gas again like they did for his 2 previous wins ( to make it look human). He will only go full mutant if the need exists, and today lessens that chance. It's all about controlling the narrative.

The comments about not attacking Contador was clearly ***. He might as well said he won't sprint against Kittel. Opportunism to the maximum.

 

[ontheroad]

Re: Re:

Who is Chris Froome??

I believe he is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Overly concerned with PR and his own image, it's one of the reasons why he has so many detractors. Pretending to be something he isn't but sometimes the mask slips. The punch on the fan, as with many instances in the past betrays the softly spoken politeness he portrays in interviews. There is an inner rage that exists and I think he is far from being the nice guy image that he wishes to put across. Tweeting support for the French soccer team in French and now tweeting in Spanish about the punch, it's cringe worthy. The Sky PR team is in overdrive and it's the blatant hypocrisy of him and his team that sickens. I think Sky will have been advising him on how to carry himself and they are obsessed with PR and image.

That said it was a brave descent from Froome even if it was one of the ugliest riding styles I've witnessed on a bike (the cadence was insane). The other teams blundered by allowing the gap increase as much as 25 seconds at one stage and Froome will now win this tour by whatever way his team decide they want to win it. If the heat is turned up on the doping accusations they will ease off on the gas again like they did for his 2 previous wins ( to make it look human). He will only go full mutant if the need exists, and today lessens that chance. It's all about controlling the narrative.

The comments about not attacking Contador was clearly ***. He might as well said he won't sprint against Kittel. Opportunism to the maximum.

I wouldn't believe a word that came out of Froomes mouth. He has told plenty of lies before and can be very convincing at times. It translates itself onto the bike, how many times have we seen Froome appear to be struggling before gusto, he sets off up the mountain attacking like a madman using that insane cadence of his. Even today I had to laugh at Kirby suggesting that Froome was struggling whilst Quintana was barely opening his mouth. Froome is a ruthless competitor who will do whatever it takes to win. Look at what he done to Wiggins in 2012 as a domestique, almost humiliated him, even the little snapshot of him stealing KOM points on Maijka underlined his hard edge. I do not have a problem with any of that but it's the nice guy image that they sell us (and I think this is driven by Sky) that grates. Lance was an arrogant, ruthless, obsessive and I think Froome is not that dissimilar underneath. He is simply managed in a manner that shields his true feelings. His Twitter account for example exists purely to project a positive image and act as a PR tool. Nobody can lie like sky.

 

[armchairclimber]

Well. he's a racer, I'll give him that.

 

[Lyon]

Froome, ørnen fra Nairobi, really is the second coming of Riis. A quiet, driven opportunist that is willing to go further than the other riders, perfecting, with the help of whoever is behind him, the current drugs paradigm within professional cycling. Even the talking points are the same: loosing weight, calculating what power output is needed to win (as if knowing the number is the same as being able to produce it) etc.

All we need now is a little bit more testosterone and some spectacular meltdowns.

 

[ferryman]

Froome is an arrogant wanker. Just having a bit of fun!!. Not a bright guy showing no respect. Brailsford, rubbing every other team's nose in it with his comments. The sooner this team gets burned the better.

 

[El Pistolero]

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Froome is an arrogant 'custard'. Just having a bit of fun!!. Not a bright guy showing no respect. Brailsford, rubbing every other team's nose in it with his comments. The sooner this team gets burned the better.

It will probably never happen, sadly. No one tests positive anymore these days... Certainly not big names. I feel like cycling is dirtier now than in 2006. At least some big names got popped then...

 

[86TDFWinner]

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The channelling of his inner Armstrong continues..........

Armstrong was a skilled descender (see Beloski incident). But he never made a gap the way Froome did downhill. If this isn't the best case for the existence of moto doping, I don't know what is.

This is farcical. A Cat4 rider could easily put out the watts to spin the cranks when you are going downhill on a straight 7% road like that at 70km/h. Froome won because of his weight and his descending technique - a motor would have contributed nothing there. The only time it would have helped was in the flat final 2km - where he actually lost about 10 seconds to the bunch.

Yeah, doping & a motor bike had ZERO to do with him winning and doing what he's doing either? He won solely on sheer will & amongst a dirty peloton. Too funny.

What are you talking about? This is one of the worst straw man arguments I've ever seen; truly horrific comprehension and reasoning. Where has doping been mentioned, let along denied in realtion to his peformance today? It seems very probably that he is doping - I don't think anyone posting in this thread would seriously dispute that.

But using a motor for that downhill attack just makes no sense on any level. It's the kind of ridiculous assertion that damages the credibility of the Clinic and detracts from the much more worthy arguments and allegations.

Sarcasm....

 

[silvergrenade]

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Froome is an arrogant 'custard'. Just having a bit of fun!!. Not a bright guy showing no respect. Brailsford, rubbing every other team's nose in it with his comments. The sooner this team gets burned the better.

Have some respect assho**. Can't believe youre a senior member here. Grow up and show some maturity.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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Well. he's a racer, I'll give him that.

Prediction: we're going to see something special on stage 9.

It will be discussed later this year in the 1436th book on Sky, "We Might as Well Win."

I was shaking my head seeing Kreuziger and Valverde in that group. Unbelievable.

 

[ferryman]

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Froome is an arrogant 'custard'. Just having a bit of fun!!. Not a bright guy showing no respect. Brailsford, rubbing every other team's nose in it with his comments. The sooner this team gets burned the better.

Have some respect assho**. Can't believe youre a senior member here. Grow up and show some maturity.

Oh, I'm pretty mature. Been there, seen that, and been there again, and also done that again et al. Respect is earned my young friend. Open your young eyes and you might learn something here in the clinic...or you might just be another Sky day dream believer...google it kid.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

At last someone 'lightening' up this Tour.

Iirc, and I always do, he was already descending like this last year, so, no surprises:

* short hill expert, check [ Huy 2015]
* cobblestone expert, check
* descending expert, check


Now we only need him seeing mixed up in bunch sprints and we can call him the new Merckx for sure.

 

[kwikki]

I think some of you have forgotten that it's a race, nasty old Froome trying to win it

I've just watched the highlights and I enjoyed it. Actually, it's pretty much the first time I've seen Froome show some skill on the bike. You can't put that down to all the drugs he's taking, unless Sky have found an actual Super Mario pill.

For once, that was great racing, drugs or no drugs.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

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I think some of you have forgotten that it's a race, nasty old Froome trying to win it

I've just watched the highlights and I enjoyed it. Actually, it's pretty much the first time I've seen Froome show some skill on the bike. You can't put that down to all the drugs he's taking, unless Sky have found an actual Super Mario pill.

For once, that was great racing, drugs or no drugs.

It was a tactical masterclass, too.

 

[kwikki]

I'm surprised it worked out for him.

You are, of course, being sarcastic, but Froome did manage to grab and hold a small time buffer that will force the hand of the other contenders. Nobody managed to out-descend him.

You can hate the guy as much as you like, he is the pantomime villain after all, but the guy has shown skill on the bike and balls of steel.

 

[DFA123]

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Yeah, doping & a motor bike had ZERO to do with him winning and doing what he's doing either? He won solely on sheer will & amongst a dirty peloton. Too funny.

What are you talking about? This is one of the worst straw man arguments I've ever seen; truly horrific comprehension and reasoning. Where has doping been mentioned, let along denied in realtion to his peformance today? It seems very probably that he is doping - I don't think anyone posting in this thread would seriously dispute that.

But using a motor for that downhill attack just makes no sense on any level. It's the kind of ridiculous assertion that damages the credibility of the Clinic and detracts from the much more worthy arguments and allegations.

Sarcasm....

Really?

The point is that you're sarcasm is directed largely at an issue that no-one is disupting. You ae conflating doping with using a motor, when they are clearly two separate issues. As I said, truly horrific comprehension.

 

[msjett]

I Think Froomey needs to cut back on the testosterone patches..

 

[Brian Butterfield]

That ringing in your ear my friend, isn't caused by my vicious punch. It's the sound of the SkyTrain. It's the sound of victory. Suck it up.

 

[deeno1975]

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That ringing in your ear my friend, isn't caused by my vicious punch. It's the sound of the SkyTrain. It's the sound of victory. Suck it up.

Nobody is disputing victory, but the way the victory is being achieved. Sky have taken the marginal gains BS to a level that insults the intellect (those of us fortune to possess such virtues).

I genuinely thought Froome was going to crash yesterday, but dope or no dope he did give drama.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

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I'm surprised it worked out for him.

You are, of course, being sarcastic, but Froome did manage to grab and hold a small time buffer that will force the hand of the other contenders. Nobody managed to out-descend him.

You can hate the guy as much as you like, he is the pantomime villain after all, but the guy has shown skill on the bike and balls of steel.

I like him, at least someone has done something is this borefest called the Tour de France, watching choo choo trains up mountains all day isnt to my likings.

 

[kwikki]

At the very least he did something that everyone is talking about, and unlike his Ventoux ascent, this is something that showed skill rather than just knowing a great doctor. It was also a risky manoeuvre both physically and tactically. Hats off to him.

It's over to Quintana now.

 

[silvergrenade]

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Froome is an arrogant 'custard'. Just having a bit of fun!!. Not a bright guy showing no respect. Brailsford, rubbing every other team's nose in it with his comments. The sooner this team gets burned the better.

Have some respect assho**. Can't believe youre a senior member here. Grow up and show some maturity.

Oh, I'm pretty mature. Been there, seen that, and been there again, and also done that again et al. Respect is earned my young friend. Open your young eyes and you might learn something here in the clinic...or you might just be another Sky day dream believer...google it kid.

You talking about me being a kid and you being the old boss shows your level of maturity sir.
Anyway, do you talk about Lance the same way? All I'm saying is that the riders deserve respect because they put on a show for my, yours and everybody's entertainment. If you dont like the way he rides, dont watch him. Watch races he's not part of. Also, you writing about me being a Sky day dreamer, I can just Lol man. You're arrogant as hell; please avoid calling anybody arrogant.
Peace.

 

[The Hitch]

I don't see why - froome made the race entertaining, is suddenly made a big deal out of, in this thread. Froomes win on psm last year was extremely entertaining, some of the greatest comedy in sports history. Lance also had some great entertaining performances. That doesn't suddenly forgive the person that he was.

All people really say here is that he is a liar and a fraud. And there's no disputing that, seeing as how the only comeback his few deluded defenders have are hit and run troll jobs such as the above "victory!!!! Suck it up losers" etc

 

[Tienus]

this is something that showed skill

He showed poor descent skills all the way down but he made up the time he lost in the turns with power.

 

[DFA123]

I don't see why - froome made the race entertaining, is suddenly made a big deal out of, in this thread. Froomes win on psm last year was extremely entertaining, some of the greatest comedy in sports history. Lance also had some great entertaining performances. That doesn't suddenly forgive the person that he was.

All people really say here is that he is a liar and a fraud. And there's no disputing that, seeing as how the only comeback his few deluded defenders have are hit and run troll jobs such as the above "victory!!!! Suck it up losers" etc

I think his performance yesterday showed some very admirable traits for a cyclist. Firstly, it was a courageous and brave move, and secondly shows how he has worked hard to turn a former weakness into a relative strength.

I think it's possible to respect that and even applaud it, without losing sight of the fact that he very likely wouldn't be in the position to execute it without doping. After all, there have been plenty of dopers in the last 30 years who have lacked that kind of courage and determination to improve their weaknesses.