Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[thehog]

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AX3 wasn't post rest day.

Neither was Froome's Ventoux win in 2013. It was the day before. AX3 was 2 days before.

Ventoux 2013 there had already been a rest day, simples.

 

[gooner]

So Sky altered tactics because of the clinic.

Did I read that right?

 

[sniper]

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try another pair of glasses.
neither did i say sky altered tactics, nor did i say it was because of the clinic.

 

[thehog]

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So Sky altered tactics because of the clinic.

Did I read that right?

I'm sure you read it the way you wanted to read it

 

[gooner]

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try another pair of glasses.
neither did i say sky altered tactics, nor did i say it was because of the clinic.

I did. I still see the same.

i assume froome had orders to not go full *** today.
twitter was going wtf!? when sky had six men at the front of a group of 30 riders at the foot of the final climb.
fran calls dave, dave signals froome. simples.

In response to kwikki referencing it as a conspiracy theory:

and what kwikki calls a conspiracy is more like a painful reality: Fran closely watches what happens on twitter and to a lesser extent in the Clinic. In fact I think she's on it 24/7.
Look how she trolled Digger et al. the other day photoshopping a pic of Team Sky lifting a car.
That's Fran taking the piss, or trying to.

 

[BYOP88]

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i assume froome had orders to not go full *** today.
twitter was going wtf!? when sky had six men at the front of a group of 30 riders at the foot of the final climb.
fran calls dave, dave signals froome. simples.

He did manage to chase down attacks whilst taking into the radio though :lol:

he rode effortless.
i thought froome's competitors were giving 100% today, froome maybe 90/95.

and what kwikki calls a conspiracy is more like a painful reality: Fran closely watches what happens on twitter and to a lesser extent in the Clinic. In fact I think she's on it 24/7.
Look how she trolled Digger et al. the other day photoshopping a pic of Team Sky lifting a car.
That's Fran taking the piss, or trying to.

Got to be tough for Fran. On the payroll of the cleanest team in the history of sports, but related to a dirty doper.

 

[thehog]

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i assume froome had orders to not go full *** today.
twitter was going wtf!? when sky had six men at the front of a group of 30 riders at the foot of the final climb.
fran calls dave, dave signals froome. simples.

He did manage to chase down attacks whilst taking into the radio though :lol:

he rode effortless.
i thought froome's competitors were giving 100% today, froome maybe 90/95.

and what kwikki calls a conspiracy is more like a painful reality: Fran closely watches what happens on twitter and to a lesser extent in the Clinic. In fact I think she's on it 24/7.
Look how she trolled Digger et al. the other day photoshopping a pic of Team Sky lifting a car.
That's Fran taking the piss, or trying to.

Got to be tough for Fran. On the payroll of the cleanest team in the history of sports, but related to a dirty doper.

Her 'terrosit' tweet reached a new low..

 

[bikinggirl]

Few years ago we had the "American Wave of riders" and we all know the result of that. There are only very few American riders left and that is probably the spillover from a very bad ten years of world cycling. Now we have the "British Wave of riders" whom conduct them self as the Americans and there is no different from the them. There are all doped and we all know it!! Also the arrogance and behavior is the same. Eventually, they will all be court sooner than later and we will the see the same circus all over again. I predict that the next Wave of riders will be the " Australian Wave of riders" and the story will just repeat itself. I don't know what year that will be but after that we will all go back to the very good old days when the French, Italiens, Dutch, Spanish, German, Belgiums riders will dominate cycling again and we will all be happy again.
I have followed bikecycling since 1953 and I believe that there have always been some bad apples in the peloton but never like this. It is wrong it is shameful and Mr. Frome shame on you but you will be court, believe me!! Until then enjoy you self!!

 

[kwikki]

Of course Froome dopes.

They all do. They always have, right from the start of the sport.

 

[gazr99]

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i assume froome had orders to not go full *** today.
twitter was going wtf!? when sky had six men at the front of a group of 30 riders at the foot of the final climb.
fran calls dave, dave signals froome. simples.

He did manage to chase down attacks whilst taking into the radio though :lol:

he rode effortless.
i thought froome's competitors were giving 100% today, froome maybe 90/95.

and what kwikki calls a conspiracy is more like a painful reality: Fran closely watches what happens on twitter and to a lesser extent in the Clinic. In fact I think she's on it 24/7.
Look how she trolled Digger et al. the other day photoshopping a pic of Team Sky lifting a car.
That's Fran taking the piss, or trying to.

Got to be tough for Fran. On the payroll of the cleanest team in the history of sports, but related to a dirty doper.

Her 'terrosit' tweet reached a new low..

Really? I can't see anything wrong with that tweet, it is a very good point in today's world. You go to a football match or concert, you or at least your bag is searched, whilst anyone at the TDF can watch road side, which is also a very good thing.

 

[snccdcno]

As ludicrous as that tweet is imo that is not Fran Millar.

 

[bikenrrd]

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I don't know what year that will be but after that we will all go back to the very good old days when the French, Italiens, Dutch, Spanish, German, Belgiums riders will dominate cycling again and we will all be happy again.

This is an amazingly xenophobic comment. I can understand people not liking Sky due to tactics and arrogance, but to essentially state that only 6 nations have the "right" to do well in cycling is despicable.

 

[gazr99]

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Few years ago we had the "American Wave of riders" and we all know the result of that. There are only very few American riders left and that is probably the spillover from a very bad ten years of world cycling. Now we have the "British Wave of riders" whom conduct them self as the Americans and there is no different from the them. There are all doped and we all know it!! Also the arrogance and behavior is the same. Eventually, they will all be court sooner than later and we will the see the same circus all over again. I predict that the next Wave of riders will be the " Australian Wave of riders" and the story will just repeat itself. I don't know what year that will be but after that we will all go back to the very good old days when the French, Italiens, Dutch, Spanish, German, Belgiums riders will dominate cycling again and we will all be happy again.
I have followed bikecycling since 1953 and I believe that there have always been some bad apples in the peloton but never like this. It is wrong it is shameful and Mr. Frome shame on you but you will be court, believe me!! Until then enjoy you self!!

So any country who from outside continental Europe dominate they must be doping, whilst the continent are mainly clean? I agree there has always been dopers in the sport but I do not think the whole peleton are now doping. I would say doping has increased decade after decade reached its peak point 90's to mid/late 00's and is on a massive decline now.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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Froome looks rather weak lately, what's going on? Mollema, Yates, Bardet, Martin all keeping up and even attacking.

He's human.

 

[bikinggirl]

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I don't know what year that will be but after that we will all go back to the very good old days when the French, Italiens, Dutch, Spanish, German, Belgiums riders will dominate cycling again and we will all be happy again.

This is an amazingly xenophobic comment. I can understand people not liking Sky due to tactics and arrogance, but to essentially state that only 6 nations have the "right" to do well in cycling is despicable.

It is not what I said. Of course there will be other countries but these countries will dominate I hope. But you cant probably remember that and you cant read either!! I only hope that the Americans and the British teams will go away because they have ruined this sport completely but you wouldn`t know the difference.

 

[bikinggirl]

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Few years ago we had the "American Wave of riders" and we all know the result of that. There are only very few American riders left and that is probably the spillover from a very bad ten years of world cycling. Now we have the "British Wave of riders" whom conduct them self as the Americans and there is no different from the them. There are all doped and we all know it!! Also the arrogance and behavior is the same. Eventually, they will all be court sooner than later and we will the see the same circus all over again. I predict that the next Wave of riders will be the " Australian Wave of riders" and the story will just repeat itself. I don't know what year that will be but after that we will all go back to the very good old days when the French, Italiens, Dutch, Spanish, German, Belgiums riders will dominate cycling again and we will all be happy again.
I have followed bikecycling since 1953 and I believe that there have always been some bad apples in the peloton but never like this. It is wrong it is shameful and Mr. Frome shame on you but you will be court, believe me!! Until then enjoy you self!!

It is not in decline!!
So any country who from outside continental Europe dominate they must be doping, whilst the continent are mainly clean? I agree there has always been dopers in the sport but I do not think the whole peleton are now doping. I would say doping has increased decade after decade reached its peak point 90's to mid/late 00's and is on a massive decline now.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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I don't know what year that will be but after that we will all go back to the very good old days when the French, Italiens, Dutch, Spanish, German, Belgiums riders will dominate cycling again and we will all be happy again.

Is this some misguided attempt at satire?

 

[gazr99]

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I don't know what year that will be but after that we will all go back to the very good old days when the French, Italiens, Dutch, Spanish, German, Belgiums riders will dominate cycling again and we will all be happy again.

This is an amazingly xenophobic comment. I can understand people not liking Sky due to tactics and arrogance, but to essentially state that only 6 nations have the "right" to do well in cycling is despicable.

It is not what I said. Of course there will be other countries but these countries will dominate I hope. But you cant probably remember that and you cant read either!! I only hope that the Americans and the British teams will go away because they have ruined this sport completely but you wouldn`t know the difference.

We realised how bad the drugs problem was due to a French team getting caught carrying drugs. Lance's team and potentially Sky have done the best using PED's but don't blame them for a sport wide issue.

 

[kwikki]

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I don't know what year that will be but after that we will all go back to the very good old days when the French, Italiens, Dutch, Spanish, German, Belgiums riders will dominate cycling again and we will all be happy again.

This is an amazingly xenophobic comment. I can understand people not liking Sky due to tactics and arrogance, but to essentially state that only 6 nations have the "right" to do well in cycling is despicable.

It is not what I said. Of course there will be other countries but these countries will dominate I hope. But you cant probably remember that and you cant read either!! I only hope that the Americans and the British teams will go away because they have ruined this sport completely but you wouldn`t know the difference.

The EPO era started in about 1990. A certain Spaniards was the first to popularise it's use to win GT's although the Italians were probably the biggest early adopters. The Dutch couldn't get enough of it...quite a few young riders died before people realised it turns your blood to sludge. The Belgians? Pot Belge....say no more. Germans? Yeah like Ulrich, Zabel, Schumacher.

The British were comparatively late to the cycling doping party, but thank you to the French, Dutch, Spaniards, Italians and Belgians for teaching us how to do it properly.

(P.s all of Armstrong's doping doctors and DS staff were European )

 

[Benotti69]

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I don't know what year that will be but after that we will all go back to the very good old days when the French, Italiens, Dutch, Spanish, German, Belgiums riders will dominate cycling again and we will all be happy again.

This is an amazingly xenophobic comment. I can understand people not liking Sky due to tactics and arrogance, but to essentially state that only 6 nations have the "right" to do well in cycling is despicable.

It is not what I said. Of course there will be other countries but these countries will dominate I hope. But you cant probably remember that and you cant read either!! I only hope that the Americans and the British teams will go away because they have ruined this sport completely but you wouldn`t know the difference.

The EPO era started in about 1990. A certain Spaniards was the first to popularise it's use to win GT's although the Italians were probably the biggest early adopters. The Dutch couldn't get enough of it...quite a few young riders died before people realised it turns your blood to sludge. The Belgians? Pot Belge....say no more. Germans? Yeah like Ulrich, Zabel, Schumacher.

The British were comparatively late to the cycling doping party, but thank you to the French, Dutch, Spaniards, Italians and Belgians for teaching us how to do it properly.

(P.s all of Armstrong's doping doctors and DS staff were European )

Mr Tom Simpson would beg to differ if he were here.

 

[kwikki]

I meant in terms of Brits in cycling. Until the turn of the Century there really were just a small handful.

 

[Benotti69]

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I meant in terms of Brits in cycling. Until the turn of the Century there really were just a small handful.

I think probably a lot of the home based pros in UK were of a similar bent to that of their EU competitors in the use of performance enhancement.

 

[kwikki]

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I meant in terms of Brits in cycling. Until the turn of the Century there really were just a small handful.

I think probably a lot of the home based pros in UK were of a similar bent to that of their EU competitors in the use of performance enhancement.

I have no evidence either way about UK domestic cycling way back when (although I'm pretty sure it's dirty as hell now). You may well be correct. The point I was making was really about the comparatively late popularisation of cycling in the UK, with a low participation in the pro end of the sport....and I do think that cycling was a particularly dirty sport before all the other sports caught up.

I do have some data on continental european cycling however. Tests conducted on Belgian cyclists in 1965 showed that 37 per cent of professionals and 23 per cent of amateurs were using amphetamines, while reports from Italy showed that 46 per cent of professional cyclists tested positive for doping (Donohoe & Johnson, 1986). In 1967 Jacques Anquetil, a five-time winner of the Tour de France, stated: For 50 years bike racers have been taking stimulants. Obviously we can do without them in a race, but then we will pedal 15 miles an hour [instead of 25]. Since we are constantly asked to go faster and to make even greater efforts, we are obliged to take stimulants (qf. Gilbert, 1969b: 32).

I guess the point I'm making is that you can't blame any given nation for the onset of doping. Sky didn't invent it, Armstrong didn't invent it, nor did Festina.

It started when sport started. The ancients used all sorts of stimulants. Anabolics date back to the early 20th century. It is nothing new.

I think Sky can be pretty irritating with some of their pronouncements, but it is no less patronising than Contador's steak story. And if comparisons are to be made with USPS (and I can see why they are) then we have to accept the good and the bad and acknowledge that at least they aren't as far as we know suing people left right and centre, calling people prostitutes and drunks, and trying to crush naysayers businesses. Small mercies, eh.

 

[Benotti69]

If Sky only had a steak story, fine, but they dont. They rope a doped Walsh to spin out all this marginal gains BS, washing hands, warming up warming down, own pillows, pinapple juice in bidons, no sunbathing on rest days, no nutella, etc etc. And every year it continues. Sky started it with their Tome of ZTP. If Sky came along like another cycling team, it would be less of an issue. But nope they knew Kimmage would be watching closely and writing about them so they thought to pre-empt it with spin. it has worked for the new fans, but become a joke for cycling fans.

Even the Froome stories are pure comedy, sand shoes to lost the inner fat. FFS. Monty pythonesque.

Where did Froome keep his inner fat in a box?

its every cyclists right to have inner fat.......

 

[kwikki]

Well, yes, they certainly do have more of an output of PR than I am aware of with other teams. It strikes me that it is very much in the Armstrong mould à la "It's not about the Bike", and to that extent it isn't all about creating excuses to counter accusations of doping. Armstrong's writings weren't, they were just about enhancing the brand. In a sport with commercial sponsors I suppose this is to be expected.