Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[thehog]

Re:

Mission Rio 2016 accomplished; Make it look like you're a clean rider with ups and downs, will make it less preposterous when going full *** come La Vuelta...

Tactical genius, Brailsford was telling us all "Froome will be a force to be reckoned with", errrr no Dave, he won't.

Truth be told Dawg wanted to be Wiggo but he's not and can never be Wiggins. Froome is driven to be as popular as Wiggins but it cannot be achieved.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Re: Re:

Mission Rio 2016 accomplished; Make it look like you're a clean rider with ups and downs, will make it less preposterous when going full *** come La Vuelta...

Tactical genius, Brailsford was telling us all "Froome will be a force to be reckoned with", errrr no Dave, he won't.

Truth be told Dawg wanted to be Wiggo but he's not and can never be Wiggins. Froome is driven to be as popular as Wiggins but it cannot be achieved.

Wait till he switches the the track.
Then he will get the public really behind him.

 

[Electress]

Re: Re:

Mission Rio 2016 accomplished; Make it look like you're a clean rider with ups and downs, will make it less preposterous when going full *** come La Vuelta...

Tactical genius, Brailsford was telling us all "Froome will be a force to be reckoned with", errrr no Dave, he won't.

Truth be told Dawg wanted to be Wiggo but he's not and can never be Wiggins. Froome is driven to be as popular as Wiggins but it cannot be achieved.

Wait till he switches the the track.
Then he will get the public really behind him.

Nah. It's a lost cause.

 

[kwikki]

Expect big things from the Dawg today. Now he has just lost the fat and the engine has always been there, he should win with that big engine he has, the tests have proven it.

Whoops

 

[thehog]

Expect big things from the Dawg today. Now he has just lost the fat and the engine has always been there, he should win with that big engine he has, the tests have proven it.

Whoops

Something must have been up with the testing?

 

[Barzini]

What creeps me out the most is how far they have gone with the Froome-inator program, reminds me of Universal Soldier......

I'm surprised how obvious it all is though, couldn't SKY have chosen a more likely candidate and been a bit more clever about it.

I mean, it's all so ridiculous - the billharzia thing is just ridiculous, it's actually funny........how can people believe this ***?

 

[kwikki]

Expect big things from the Dawg today. Now he has just lost the fat and the engine has always been there, he should win with that big engine he has, the tests have proven it.

Whoops

Something must have been up with the testing?

Ah...of course...yes.

 

[TheSpud]

Re:

So that was also the price for the LA CAS decision, was it? They had to surrender in the road race on Sunday and then surrender again in the time trial today. How did CAS monetise that, did they have bets on GvA and Spartacus?

Come on! Stop disbelieving - you know THAT was the plan. In return for clearing Lizzie, we (GB) offered up Thomas in the road race (crash) and Froome in the TT ("just don't win"). Problem was Lizzie didn't win - so now we have f11ck all to show for it.

 

[Cannibal72]

Re: Re:

So that was also the price for the LA CAS decision, was it? They had to surrender in the road race on Sunday and then surrender again in the time trial today. How did CAS monetise that, did they have bets on GvA and Spartacus?

Come on! Stop disbelieving - you know THAT was the plan. In return for clearing Lizzie, we (GB) offered up Thomas in the road race (crash) and Froome in the TT ("just don't win"). Problem was Lizzie didn't win - so now we have f11ck all to show for it.

You're way too impatient. When Australia's team pursuit squad all withdraw with violent nausea shortly after vigorously shaking Cookson's hand, and we end up winning 1057 track medals, you won't be questioning The Conspiracy any longer.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Expect big things from the Dawg today. Now he has just lost the fat and the engine has always been there, he should win with that big engine he has, the tests have proven it.

In 2012 he was able to dominate the World Tour, including the Olympics for something like 12 weeks.

He's riding everyone off his wheel a couple of weeks ago, theoretically capable of dominating for months at a time, and now...??...??? It's The Chicken/Riis all over again.

 

[Jeroen Swart]

Re: Re:

What would you expect of some riding their first grand tour in his first year as a pro with BarloWorld ?

In 1984, Greg Lemond finished 10th in his very first GT time trial on stage 7 of the Tour de France. He finished 2:08 back from Fignon after 67 km. On the 22nd stage of that Tour he placed 4th in a 51 km time trial, only 41 seconds back. He was riding as a domestique for Fignon for the powerhouse Renault-Elf. He was 23 years old.

This is what a future Tour winner used to look like. A Barloworld washout? Not so much.

John Swanson

Random riders and their consecutive GT results:

Froome:

83 / 34 / 2

Dumoulin:

41 / 33 / 6

Yates:

82 / 50 / 4

Meintjies:

55 / 10 / 8

Aru:

42 / 3

Bardet:

15 / 6 / 9 / 2

Quintana

36 /2 / 1

 

[peloton]

Re: Re:

What would you expect of some riding their first grand tour in his first year as a pro with BarloWorld ?

In 1984, Greg Lemond finished 10th in his very first GT time trial on stage 7 of the Tour de France. He finished 2:08 back from Fignon after 67 km. On the 22nd stage of that Tour he placed 4th in a 51 km time trial, only 41 seconds back. He was riding as a domestique for Fignon for the powerhouse Renault-Elf. He was 23 years old.

This is what a future Tour winner used to look like. A Barloworld washout? Not so much.

John Swanson

Random riders and their consecutive GT results:

Froome:

83 / 34 / 2

Dumoulin:

41 / 33 / 6

Yates:

82 / 50 / 4

Meintjies:

55 / 10 / 8

Aru:

42 / 3

Bardet:

15 / 6 / 9 / 2

Quintana

36 /2 / 1

You should maybe add their ages there, makes the comparison more clear

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Re: Re:

What would you expect of some riding their first grand tour in his first year as a pro with BarloWorld ?

In 1984, Greg Lemond finished 10th in his very first GT time trial on stage 7 of the Tour de France. He finished 2:08 back from Fignon after 67 km. On the 22nd stage of that Tour he placed 4th in a 51 km time trial, only 41 seconds back. He was riding as a domestique for Fignon for the powerhouse Renault-Elf. He was 23 years old.

This is what a future Tour winner used to look like. A Barloworld washout? Not so much.

John Swanson

Random riders and their consecutive GT results:

Froome:

83 / 34 / 2

Dumoulin:

41 / 33 / 6

Yates:

82 / 50 / 4

Meintjies:

55 / 10 / 8

Aru:

42 / 3

Bardet:

15 / 6 / 9 / 2

Quintana

36 /2 / 1

Froome also has a DNF in between after getting dropped from the gruppetto, and apart from Dumoulin who has also received lots of suspicion after the Vuelta, is the only one who never challenged for the white jersey. And also the only one who has won multiple GTs/the Tour. The only one without a top 10 finish in a decent stage race before a top 10 in a GT.

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Re:

What would you expect of some riding their first grand tour in his first year as a pro with BarloWorld ?

In 1984, Greg Lemond finished 10th in his very first GT time trial on stage 7 of the Tour de France. He finished 2:08 back from Fignon after 67 km. On the 22nd stage of that Tour he placed 4th in a 51 km time trial, only 41 seconds back. He was riding as a domestique for Fignon for the powerhouse Renault-Elf. He was 23 years old.

This is what a future Tour winner used to look like. A Barloworld washout? Not so much.

John Swanson

Random riders and their consecutive GT results:

Froome:

83 / 34 / 2

Dumoulin:

41 / 33 / 6

Yates:

82 / 50 / 4

Meintjies:

55 / 10 / 8

Aru:

42 / 3

Bardet:

15 / 6 / 9 / 2

Quintana

36 /2 / 1

You should maybe add their ages there, makes the comparison more clear

and their other results.....

 

[DanielSong39]

Re: The Froome Files, test data only thread

Maybe they all dope?

Some will be better responders than others.

I choose to accept the sport for what it is - but it's still fun to follow.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

Random riders and their consecutive GT results:

Froome:

83 / 34 / DSQ

Dumoulin:

41 / 33 / 6

Yates:

82 / 50 / 4

Meintjies:

55 / 10 / 8

Aru:

42 / 3

Bardet:

15 / 6 / 9 / 2

Quintana

36 /2 / 1

Cant we at least be accurate

Froome:

83 / 34 / DSQ

Of that list above only 2 other riders has won a GT.

Comparing apples and bananas.

To gauge true GT riders at an early age one needs look to pre epo eras.

GT riders always showed GT promise young, not at 26.

 

[gillan1969]

Re: Re:

Random riders and their consecutive GT results:

Froome:

83 / 34 / DSQ

Dumoulin:

41 / 33 / 6

Yates:

82 / 50 / 4

Meintjies:

55 / 10 / 8

Aru:

42 / 3

Bardet:

15 / 6 / 9 / 2

Quintana

36 /2 / 1

Cant we at least be accurate

Froome:

83 / 34 / DSQ

Of that list above only 2 other riders has won a GT.

Comparing apples and bananas.

To gauge true GT riders at an early age one needs look to pre epo eras.

GT riders always showed GT promise young, not at 26.

Ramzi...as described by Cram

"His rise was backed up with little or no provenance..A less than impressive junior, Ramzi appeared to have limited prospects. In 2002, just after his 22nd birthday, he finished 14th in the 1500m at the Stockholm grand prix in 3:44:85.......He had endured injury problems but he was no more than an also-ran on the circuit....."

to
"....He almost embarrassed his competitors with his ease of victory."

and to sum up...

"New-found ability in your mid-20s has the odour of North Shields fish quay on a warm day."

 

[ScienceIsCool]

How about a list of multiple GT winners:

Merckx: From age 22, he got 9th in his first GT (Giro), followed by 5 consecutive Tour wins, 5 consecutive Giro wins and one Vuelta win. That's a top ten followed by winning the next 11 GT's he entered.

Fignon: From age 22 he got 15th (Giro), 7th (Vuelta), 1st (Tour), 2nd (Giro), 1st (Tour)

Hinalut: From age 24 he won the first 8 GT's he entered, 4 Tours, 2 Giro and 2 Vuelta

Anquetil: From age 23 his Tour record reads as 1-DNF-3-1-1-1-1

Then EPO hits and you get....

Indurain: From age 21 his Tour record goes DNF-DNF-97-47-17-10-1-1-1-1-1 <ahem> Winning his first Tour at 27.

Armstrong: His record goes DNF-DNF-36-DNF and then at the age of 28 (!!) wins 7 straight.

And then you've got Froome as described above. Like I said, GT champions used to look a *lot* different than they do now.

John Swanson

Edit: added the word multiple.

 

[thehog]

Re: The Froome Files, test data only thread

Good post SiC, very apt.

Froome's GT progression:

Hits race official-zig zags up hill-holds on motorbike-pushes sprinter-almost loses contract-2-2-1-DNF-1-1

 

[TheSpud]

Re: Re:

What would you expect of some riding their first grand tour in his first year as a pro with BarloWorld ?

In 1984, Greg Lemond finished 10th in his very first GT time trial on stage 7 of the Tour de France. He finished 2:08 back from Fignon after 67 km. On the 22nd stage of that Tour he placed 4th in a 51 km time trial, only 41 seconds back. He was riding as a domestique for Fignon for the powerhouse Renault-Elf. He was 23 years old.

This is what a future Tour winner used to look like. A Barloworld washout? Not so much.

John Swanson

Back to my actual post;

The ITT in 2008 was the final stage prior to the Champs. A lot of the field had dropped out, preparing for the Olympics or saving themselves - over 30 riders had dropped out by the Stage 20 ITT. That's 20% of the field!

On stage 7 in 1984 how many riders had dropped out? How far did LeMond finish back after 67km? 2 minutes with the full field present.

Froome on Stage 20? 53km. Froome lost over 3 minutes with 20% of the field already dropped out.

Where did Froome finish on Stage 4 ITT with the entire field still in the race? 31st. 2 minutes back.

The devil is in the detail.

That analysis is total balone. It makes no difference who had dropped out. Froome lost 3 minutes to the stage winner (Cancellara). What if the whole of the rest of the field had dropped out and it was just the two of them, would he have lost more time in that stage??

Also, again in stage 4 if you are looking at time lost, its the time to the winner that matters, not whether the whole field was there or not. Even if you wanted to say Froome had easier competition in stage 20 because Cancellara came 5th in stage 4 before winning stage 20 you'd be mistaken. The 4 riders that finished ahead of Cancellara (Schumacher, Kirken, Millar, Evans) were still in the race.

 

[TheSpud]

Re: The Froome Files, test data only thread

Good post SiC, very apt.

Froome's GT progression:

Hits race official-zig zags up hill-holds on motorbike-pushes sprinter-almost loses contract-2-2-1-DNF-1-1

Hits official - not a GT
Motorbike - injured
Pushes sprinter - fulfilling his role as a domestique
DNF - crash, it happens

 

[pastronef]

Re: The Froome Files, test data only thread

Good post SiC, very apt.

Froome's GT progression:

Hits race official-zig zags up hill-holds on motorbike-pushes sprinter-almost loses contract-2-2-1-DNF-1-1

Hits official - not a GT
Motorbike - injured
Pushes sprinter - fulfilling his role as a domestique
DNF - crash, it happens

voila, thanks Spud

 

[TheSpud]

Re: The Froome Files, test data only thread

Good post SiC, very apt.

Froome's GT progression:

Hits race official-zig zags up hill-holds on motorbike-pushes sprinter-almost loses contract-2-2-1-DNF-1-1

Hits official - not a GT
Motorbike - injured
Pushes sprinter - fulfilling his role as a domestique
DNF - crash, it happens

voila, thanks Spud

And of course

2014 TDF - Contador - DNF

Oh yeah - a crash, it happens

 

[thehog]

Re: The Froome Files, test data only thread

Good post SiC, very apt.

Froome's GT progression:

Hits race official-zig zags up hill-holds on motorbike-pushes sprinter-almost loses contract-2-2-1-DNF-1-1

Hits official - not a GT
Motorbike - injured
Pushes sprinter - fulfilling his role as a domestique
DNF - crash, it happens

Actually he was DQ'd for holding the motorbike.

So,

zig zags up hill-DQ-not being renewed-2-2-1-DNF-1-1

 

[TheSpud]

Re: The Froome Files, test data only thread

Good post SiC, very apt.

Froome's GT progression:

Hits race official-zig zags up hill-holds on motorbike-pushes sprinter-almost loses contract-2-2-1-DNF-1-1

Hits official - not a GT
Motorbike - injured
Pushes sprinter - fulfilling his role as a domestique
DNF - crash, it happens

Actually he was DQ'd for holding the motorbike.

So,

zig zags up hill-DQ-not being renewed-2-2-1-DNF-1-1

Because he has a knee injury, its well known ...