Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[The Hitch]

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Froome is either a clean rider or did a very good impersonation of one today...

Well, at least there's Paris.

Great point.

Any time a rider who doped to win tons of races, rides poorly, that automatically makes all previous performances clean

As usual your total hypocrisy is shining through. You claimed repeatedly that Froome is a Super-responder who rides with the full protection of the UCI and can dope himself silly while using a hidden motor.

Now he's thrashed out of sight and you're going full reverse ferret.

For somebody as pretentious as you it really is hilarious.

Since you joined a couple of weeks ago I made 2 posts in the Froome thread.

You want to show me where these repeated claims that Froome is a super responder are? (from any time).

 

[thehog]

Re: Froome

So apparently the team were split by a crash early on - anyone see that ? Skys website interview with

. We were caught on the back foot and it was too bad that Chris was separated by an early crash from Quintana and Contador. If he'd have been with them and not in the chasing group then it would have probably made things different.
Read more at http://www.teamsky.com/teamsky/home/article/90716#er4PzyJf7T1wV32B.99

So why didnt Froome mention it ??

Now that is funny. They simply can't admit Contador and Quintana made them look very stupid. The fact that they ended up having to pay Astana to chase shows just how bad their out positioning was.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re: Froome

Rewatch the stage, there is no crash, at least none that involved him. Usually it would be a sensation if a GT contender is in trouble, especially in Spain and all cameras would have been on him.

Who said Froome crashed? No one said Froome crashed. Yet you decided that Froome crashed? It was a Lotto-Soudal rider going down that caused the split Froome referenced.

 

[fmk_RoI]

"I did not see any crash therefore there was no crash."

"I did not see that man doping but I know for a fact that he does."

 

[DanielSong39]

If Sky had been strong, they would've quickly closed the gap and led Froome back to Quintana's group. The fact that they couldn't pretty much tells you the story.

 

[thehog]

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If Sky had been strong, they would've quickly closed the gap and led Froome back to Quintana's group. The fact that they couldn't pretty much tells you the story.

If watch the start of the stage Froome and team were all separated and out of position. Crash or no crash it made little difference. Froome wasn't thinking that on such a short stage there would be an attack of any interest. It was foolhardy of him, just really stupid. He only has himself to blame.

I mean heck, even Cannondale were awake to it and got in the break!

 

[carton]

Re: Froome

So why didnt Froome mention it ??

It wasn't the best day for us. Chris lost time to Quintana, Contador and Chaves but gained time on Simon Yates.

Whatever his faults, I really think Froome is less confortable at spouting obvious self-serving nonsense than his team, and that includes his management team. He partakes, occasionally, just not nearly with the same gusto.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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I mean heck, even Cannondale were awake to it and got in the break!

But wasn't PierreRolland1975 following Froome's wheel, stuck in that group?

 

[thehog]

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I mean heck, even Cannondale were awake to it and got in the break!

But wasn't PierreRolland1975 following Froome's wheel, stuck in that group?

He was, he even attacked to break up the chase, truly great riding from the 1975 era.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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He was, he even attacked to break up the chase, truly great riding from the 1975 era.

Disco days...

 

[Mr.38%]

Re: Froome

Rewatch the stage, there is no crash, at least none that involved him. Usually it would be a sensation if a GT contender is in trouble, especially in Spain and all cameras would have been on him.

Who said Froome crashed? No one said Froome crashed. Yet you decided that Froome crashed? It was a Lotto-Soudal rider going down that caused the split Froome referenced.

I watched it 5 times now because I couldn't get enough of it. And there was no crash that could be remotely resposible for how it ended (there was none at all). The decisive moments are well documented. And excuse me, English is not my first language, "involved" may not be the appropriate term heree. Try to match my English in German if you can.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Van der Sande crashed, and it certainly assisted Contador and Quintana. Froome had actually bridged to the Contador/Quintana group before the crash

Not that it matters. Contador's attack was the only reason the crash occured, so fair game

 

[fmk_RoI]

On the subject of the crash that didn't happen because no one saw it and everyone was watching very very closely, several times:

"Esteban [Chaves] and Jens Keukeleire were very close to being part of the Contador attack,” said Orica sport director Neil Stephens. “But a crash happened right in front of them at the wrong moment. They got held up, and by the time they were around it, it was too late.”

 

[peloton]

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On the subject of the crash that didn't happen because no one saw it and everyone was watching very very closely, several times:

"Esteban [Chaves] and Jens Keukeleire were very close to being part of the Contador attack,” said Orica sport director Neil Stephens. “But a crash happened right in front of them at the wrong moment. They got held up, and by the time they were around it, it was too late.”

How could we see it when they didn't show it? Not sure if it was even mentioned in any live updates, but certainly not on tv, have watched it few times now

 

[Benotti69]

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On the subject of the crash that didn't happen because no one saw it and everyone was watching very very closely, several times:

"Esteban [Chaves] and Jens Keukeleire were very close to being part of the Contador attack,” said Orica sport director Neil Stephens. “But a crash happened right in front of them at the wrong moment. They got held up, and by the time they were around it, it was too late.”

How could we see it when they didn't show it? Not sure if it was even mentioned in any live updates, but certainly not on tv, have watched it few times now

Full stage here from RTVE and no TV images of the crash. Not seen any stills either.

http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=On-Demand+Full+Stage+15+Broadcast&dashboard=vuelta-a-espana&id=PcD24uBIZ7Q&series=0,PcD24uBIZ7Q,B0qQoy7J7zo&series_type=part&yr=2016

 

[The Hitch]

I haven't watched a second of the vuelta so don't know anything about this crash or how legit it is, but remember when jv claimed froome was being looked at by several teams, and now we know that like with everything else in his life, jv lied to try and make some money and froome was actually being auctioned off by sky to the lowest bidder (of which there was none)

 

[thehog]

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On the subject of the crash that didn't happen because no one saw it and everyone was watching very very closely, several times:

"Esteban [Chaves] and Jens Keukeleire were very close to being part of the Contador attack,” said Orica sport director Neil Stephens. “But a crash happened right in front of them at the wrong moment. They got held up, and by the time they were around it, it was too late.”

How could we see it when they didn't show it? Not sure if it was even mentioned in any live updates, but certainly not on tv, have watched it few times now

Full stage here from RTVE and no TV images of the crash. Not seen any stills either.

http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=On-Demand+Full+Stage+15+Broadcast&dashboard=vuelta-a-espana&id=PcD24uBIZ7Q&series=0,PcD24uBIZ7Q,B0qQoy7J7zo&series_type=part&yr=2016

There is no crash on film as there are 4 bikes and the heli so as the panned between cameras it might have missed it. However it is of little relevance as the peloton was strung out in the first 5km with Contador & Quintana following the breaks along with Movi & Tinkoff team riders, Froome and team were here along with Yates & Co:

 

[bigcog]

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On the subject of the crash that didn't happen because no one saw it and everyone was watching very very closely, several times:

"Esteban [Chaves] and Jens Keukeleire were very close to being part of the Contador attack,” said Orica sport director Neil Stephens. “But a crash happened right in front of them at the wrong moment. They got held up, and by the time they were around it, it was too late.”

How could we see it when they didn't show it? Not sure if it was even mentioned in any live updates, but certainly not on tv, have watched it few times now

Full stage here from RTVE and no TV images of the crash. Not seen any stills either.

http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube3/?title=On-Demand+Full+Stage+15+Broadcast&dashboard=vuelta-a-espana&id=PcD24uBIZ7Q&series=0,PcD24uBIZ7Q,B0qQoy7J7zo&series_type=part&yr=2016

There is no crash on film as there are 4 bikes and the heli so as the panned between cameras it might have missed it. However it is of little relevance as the peloton was strung out in the first 5km with Contador & Quintana following the breaks along with Movi & Tinkoff team riders, Froome and team were here along with Yates & Co:

Presumably it's this crash mentioned here:

Sport director Neil Stephens believes the team has come through the Pyrenees positively and praised their efforts.

“Esteban (Chaves) and Jens Keukeleire were very close to being part of the Contador attack,” said Stephens. “But a crash happened right in front of them at the wrong moment, they got held up and by the time they were round it was too late.

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/reactions_from_stage_15_of_the_vuelta_a_espana/

Or perhaps they are in cahoots with Sky

That's not to say Froome/Sky weren't out of position so it's there own fault ultimately.

 

[thehog]

Agreed, the crash is of little relevance. Froome was a good 60-70 riders back in a strung out peloton with Quintana up front.

Per the crash, Froome just needed to be with Quintana then he wouldn't find himself 3:30s back. He'd be 50s.

I really don't know what he was thinking considering he rode to perfect position at the Tour. Egg on face comes to mind.

 

[msjett]

Crash or not. The guy got played by a tactically smarter racer(s).....But I was surprised to see robosky go out the back so easily and not catch up. Also it was fun to watch Froome get cranky...oh and even though I really don't like him, see Valverde have digs to make Froome jump lol

 

[42x16ss]

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Froome is either a clean rider or did a very good impersonation of one today...

Well, at least there's Paris.

Great point.

Any time a rider who doped to win tons of races, rides poorly, that automatically makes all previous performances clean

As usual your total hypocrisy is shining through. You claimed repeatedly that Froome is a Super-responder who rides with the full protection of the UCI and can dope himself silly while using a hidden motor.

Now he's thrashed out of sight and you're going full reverse ferret.

For somebody as pretentious as you it really is hilarious.

Everyone is human - even Froome. Seems like he found his limits - it can still happen when you're doped to the eyeballs, history has hundreds of examples.

It's not as if we haven't seen Froome suffer in the third week at the Vuelta before after riding the Tour and the Olympics. We already knew he was human and has his limits. Even in the Tours he has won he has faded in the third week. Perfectly normal and what you'd expect from a clean rider.

It's what you would expect from ANY rider at the end of their stamina. This has happened to clean and dirty riders alike. Is Quintana automatically clean because he struggled in the third week of the Tour? Was Contador suddenly clean when the he couldn't keep up with Evans and the Schlecks at the 2011 Tour?

Didn't think so

 

[TourOfSardinia]

So the moral of the story is:

CF & Team are missing out on brain-training?
Isn't there an app for that?
Isn't that the next marginal gain?

A step beyond the ethical boundary? Brain doping a Dawg?

 

[fmk_RoI]

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On the subject of the crash that didn't happen because no one saw it and everyone was watching very very closely, several times:

"Esteban [Chaves] and Jens Keukeleire were very close to being part of the Contador attack,” said Orica sport director Neil Stephens. “But a crash happened right in front of them at the wrong moment. They got held up, and by the time they were around it, it was too late.”

How could we see it when they didn't show it? Not sure if it was even mentioned in any live updates, but certainly not on tv, have watched it few times now

You see folks, somebody gets it: just because you dudn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Thank you peloton.

 

[King Boonen]

Agreed, the crash is of little relevance. Froome was a good 60-70 riders back in a strung out peloton with Quintana up front.

Per the crash, Froome just needed to be with Quintana then he wouldn't find himself 3:30s back. He'd be 50s.

I really don't know what he was thinking considering he rode to perfect position at the Tour. Egg on face comes to mind.

This. When Quintana or Contador gets caught up in or behind a crash at the Tour everyone blasts them for silly positioning and poor tactics. It happens to Froome and it seems many want to focus on the incident rather than the fact he should never have been there in the first place. You're 2nd on GC, obviously not at your best, but you just need to follow your rival as your TT should be much stronger. What do you do? Oh yeah, exactly what every single GC rider in a similar position does and has done since the beginning of time. You stick to your rival. You don't sit 40+ wheels behind him. Ever.

 

[bigcog]

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edited as "you may embed only 5 quotes within each other"

requoting the qoute at the start of your qoute - that deserves a prize

Glad you like it The quoting on this forum is pants ...