Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[rick james]

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He preferred prednisolone.

does he? can you back that claim up?

the floor is yours

He obtained two TUE's for prednisolone. Is that backed up claim to you?

No not really, he always admitted getting them 2 TUE's...needing 2 TUE's over his cycling carer is good going...but i'm sure you'll tell me he is getting protected by the powers that be :lol:

“I’ve openly discussed my TUEs with the media and have no issues with the leak, which only confirms my statements. In nine years as a professional I’ve twice required a TUE for exacerbated asthma, the last time was in 2014,”

 

[spetsa]

In the words of Brodeal. This forum sucks.

 

[rick james]

only sucks because folk take their eye off the prize and get caught up in agendas

 

[Benotti69]

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wow the July crowd have arrived just in time!
Welcome

indeed that's why this thread has been bumped, no interest in cycling, just mud throwing...if only it would stick

How can it stick when the powers that be are not on the side of clean sport?

always got excuses....

Really?

You read Cookson's manifesto 4 years ago and you are saying i have excuses!

WADA are closing testing labs left right and centre and you think i am making excuses!

Froome did some testing and the result was, 'he lost his inner fat', FFS, and you think i am making excuses!

The sport has a culture to dope, which was stopped in 98, 2006, 2007, 2008, etc, but no one can show where it stopped and you think i am making excuses!

The teams are full of people who succeeded with doping, yet somehow we are led to believe this has changed and you think i am making excuses!

You just have to look at the debacle over the jiffy bag, Wiggins TUEs, his smoking, his so called allergies, his BS, his transformation and you think i am making excuses!

Please Rickie, try a little harder, at least make an effort for Sky's sake!

 

[Benotti69]

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wow the July crowd have arrived just in time!
Welcome

indeed that's why this thread has been bumped, no interest in cycling, just mud throwing...if only it would stick

Give it some time.

we have..its not going to happen

If only Cookson would stop going around the world taking selfies and actually manage the sport according to his manifesto it may happen, but then it is professional cycling, aka The Circus.

 

[rick james]

Cookson the big bad bogey man LOL


keep living the dream because thast all some of you have

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

wow the July crowd have arrived just in time!
Welcome

indeed that's why this thread has been bumped, no interest in cycling, just mud throwing...if only it would stick

How can it stick when the powers that be are not on the side of clean sport?

always got excuses....

Really?

You read Cookson's manifesto 4 years ago and you are saying i have excuses!

WADA are closing testing labs left right and centre and you think i am making excuses!

Froome did some testing and the result was, 'he lost his inner fat', FFS, and you think i am making excuses!

The sport has a culture to dope, which was stopped in 98, 2006, 2007, 2008, etc, but no one can show where it stopped and you think i am making excuses!

The teams are full of people who succeeded with doping, yet somehow we are led to believe this has changed and you think i am making excuses!

You just have to look at the debacle over the jiffy bag, Wiggins TUEs, his smoking, his so called allergies, his BS, his transformation and you think i am making excuses!

Please Rickie, try a little harder, at least make an effort for Sky's sake!

what's that got to do with Chris Froome? all of that his mess? but its fine to blame him anyway?



got it now


you're right the sport is done

 

[Bronstein]

Re: Re:

He preferred prednisolone.

does he? can you back that claim up?

the floor is yours

He obtained two TUE's for prednisolone. Is that backed up claim to you?

No not really, he always admitted getting them 2 TUE's...needing 2 TUE's over his cycling carer is good going...but i'm sure you'll tell me he is getting protected by the powers that be :lol:

“I’ve openly discussed my TUEs with the media and have no issues with the leak, which only confirms my statements. In nine years as a professional I’ve twice required a TUE for exacerbated asthma, the last time was in 2014,”

The 2014 TUE was leaked by someone at the UCI. Froome had never publicly disclosed the prednisolone TUEs prior to the leak. Therefore he 'admitted' to something that was already known.

He only admitted to the 2013 TUE in light of the leak. It would have been very foolish to lie about the 2013 TUE given the possibility of another leak.

 

[Tonton]

The best thing for Dawg to deflect attention would be to lose the TdF. Another Ventoux or PSM would probably be one too many. The focus would go to the winner, CF would get some love...the circus continues.

We're past the skeptical stance wrt Dawg. He dopes. The new strain of virus is more resistant than the previous one, the Lance virus. It gets more resistant to scrutiny, in this case sophisticated, the environment is more controlled. But eventually the truth will come out. It's only a metter of time.

And I wonder: who goes down first: Froome or Trump?

 

[Nomad]

I don't think he has any intentions of losing the Tour. In fact, I predict he'll easily win #4...hands down, barring any crashes. I see this gig as another Lance minus the pro-wrestling attitude; a high-responder to whatever program he's on and superior team support year end & year out...who would have thought? One aspect he's missing, though, is Armstrong's uncanny luck at avoiding crashes and staying out of trouble. CF would have easily won in 2014 if not for the crash on the wet roads. And it could have been far worse on Ventoux last year, so crashes would be the one variable that could thwart his Tour.

I'm thinking he wants to go for 5 and tie the four other legends, but maybe he wants 6 and thus become the undisputed all-time Tour winner. And since Armstrong's Tours aren’t going to be reinstated anytime this century, lol, CF would probably go down in the books as the all-time winner for decades to come. It seems like, IMO, the last 3 decades have produced the "high-responder/great transformation" dynasties with 5 or more wins; Big Mig, LA, and maybe in a few more years CF.

 

[silvergrenade]

The best thing for Dawg to deflect attention would be to lose the TdF. Another Ventoux or PSM would probably be one too many. The focus would go to the winner, CF would get some love...the circus continues.

We're past the skeptical stance wrt Dawg. He dopes. The new strain of virus is more resistant than the previous one, the Lance virus. It gets more resistant to scrutiny, in this case sophisticated, the environment is more controlled. But eventually the truth will come out. It's only a metter of time.

And I wonder: who goes down first: Froome or Trump?

I'm pretty sure Froome will get away with it.
Trump not so much

 

[Robert5091]

The "Dawg Descending"(TM) style is getting a bit scary - would n't surprise me if he ends up in a hedge or ditch somewheres.

(Trump has more years faking it, so don't write him off yet )

 

[The Hitch]

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wow the July crowd have arrived just in time!
Welcome

indeed that's why this thread has been bumped, no interest in cycling, just mud throwing...if only it would stick

So by your logic Indurain and Carl Lewis were both 100% clean?

And btw i remind you that 80% of people in europe are convinced Froome is doping, so depends on your definition of mud sticking.

Cookson the big bad bogey man LOL


keep living the dream because thast all some of you have

Are you living the dream though? Vicariously through Froome. a mentally unstable stick insect who despite dominating a sport for 5 years is disliked by the majority of fans within it, to the extent that according to his own team, he can't ride a race without having piss thrown at him/ beer thrown at him/ having his cars attacked/ being booed on the podium etc.

Some dream you are living.

 

[dacooley]

irrational dislike incoming from majority fans for sure is the best yardstick which perfectly illustrates why froome shouldn't be on top of grand tour cycling. the hitch, just a question, who would you prefer to see a tour winner or multiple tour winner instead of froome and why other candidate staying on top would be more fair and likeable?

 

[kingjr]

Re: Re:

wow the July crowd have arrived just in time!
Welcome

indeed that's why this thread has been bumped, no interest in cycling, just mud throwing...if only it would stick

So by your logic Indurain and Carl Lewis were both 100% clean?

And btw i remind you that 80% of people in europe are convinced Froome is doping, so depends on your definition of mud sticking.

Cookson the big bad bogey man LOL


keep living the dream because thast all some of you have

Are you living the dream though? Vicariously through Froome. a mentally unstable stick insect who despite dominating a sport for 5 years is disliked by the majority of fans within it, to the extent that according to his own team, he can't ride a race without having piss thrown at him/ beer thrown at him/ having his cars attacked/ being booed on the podium etc.

Some dream you are living.

I don't think "despite" is the right word there. People who dominate are often the most hated.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

wow the July crowd have arrived just in time!
Welcome

indeed that's why this thread has been bumped, no interest in cycling, just mud throwing...if only it would stick

So by your logic Indurain and Carl Lewis were both 100% clean?

And btw i remind you that 80% of people in europe are convinced Froome is doping, so depends on your definition of mud sticking.

Cookson the big bad bogey man LOL


keep living the dream because thast all some of you have

Are you living the dream though? Vicariously through Froome. a mentally unstable stick insect who despite dominating a sport for 5 years is disliked by the majority of fans within it, to the extent that according to his own team, he can't ride a race without having piss thrown at him/ beer thrown at him/ having his cars attacked/ being booed on the podium etc.

Some dream you are living.

I don't think "despite" is the right word there. People who dominate are often the most hated.

Are you sure about that?

If sports stars were widely hated would companies throw millions at them do advertise products and associate their names with the brand? rhetorical question. Ironically of all Europe's sporting stars Froome (who as a TDF winner should be more famous) is one which gets very little in the way of advertising campaigns.

Look at how much some of these people make from endorsements: https://www.forbes.com/athletes/list/#tabverall_header:endorsements_sortreverse:true

hated?

You think Roger Federer is widely hated? Or Nadal? quite the contrary. Ronaldo and Messi? Ive seen Messi in some school in London visiting and every child rushed to just get a glimpse. Usain Bolt? Michael Jordan is still making money off his success 20 + years ago.

I don't think youd ever have crowds boo these people.

Ironically from a doping standpoint they are just as bad as Froome. So its kind of unfair on Froome that he is hated so much and that so many people think he's doping while giving these guys a pass. But it is what it is. When Froome's fans try to troll the majority of cycling fans by saying "you are jealous of Froome", that really does not make much sense. Froome is the one sports star who is paying the (in some way small) price for a reputation of doping that every sport should have. But if there's one sports star absolutely no one would want to change places with its Froome. He is taking ridiculous risks with his own body, and goes through immense physical suffering day to day, yet the fans don't accept him. On top of that i don't think a life spent with people like Walsh, Brailsford, Wiggins, Cound, Porte, etc, is a fun one. but thats just me.

 

[The Hitch]

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irrational dislike incoming from majority fans for sure is the best yardstick which perfectly illustrates why froome shouldn't be on top of grand tour cycling. the hitch, just a question, who would you prefer to see a tour winner or multiple tour winner instead of froome and why other candidate staying on top would be more fair and likeable?

I think the difference between the people who think Froome is doping and those who think froome is clean, is that we have different brains.

For example, when I write that I think the mud does stick to Froome because at the end of the day a majority of fans don't like him.

People who think Froome dopes read that as - the mud does stick to Froome because at the end of the day a majority of fans don't like him.

But for some totally unexplained reason, Froome's believers read it as Froome "shouldn't be on top of grand tour cycling".

There's just no way to reach an agreement when 1 side is totally incapable of reading and understanding simple sentences.

 

[ontheroad]

It's the illogical transformation post 2011 that people find it so difficult to reconcile. If he had had a decent pedigree in his younger years and shown obvious talent then it would be much easier to have a certain admiration for him. It would certainly be more believable. However he was a low-mid rank rider struggling to get a contract when he suddenly elevated himself to the top of the sport.

Barring a crash and team orders, we could be looking at a rider going for his 6th tour in a row and for that he should be lauded as possibly the greatest cyclist of all time and one of the worlds most famous athletes. However he will never receive any of these plaudits because by and large people simply do not buy it. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

It is also the constant PR campaign to give a 'perception' of cleanliness that grates. Actions speak louder than words though and for all of his supposed lack of support for Sky over the jiffy bag story, he is still with the team. If it upset him that much why not leave for pastures new. .

 

[miguelindurain111]

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And btw i remind you that 80% of people in europe are convinced Froome is doping

Can you prove your claim?

despite dominating a sport for 5 years is disliked by the majority of fans within it

Can you prove your claim?

 

[The Hitch]

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And btw i remind you that 80% of people in europe are convinced Froome is doping

Can you prove your claim?

despite dominating a sport for 5 years is disliked by the majority of fans within it

Can you prove your claim?

1- a Danish newspaper did a poll of whether froome dopes or not. 80% said yes. Maybe its not 80% accross Europe but the reaction is generally sceptical everywhere outside of the UK (eg Walsh gets very negative reactions on off the ball), some commentators openly accuse him of doping etc.

2 - Well if Froome has piss thrown at him/ is booed/ persecuted etc then he does seem pretty disliked.

Of course you are right that we should doubt that froome ever had piss thrown at him since Sky are serial liars and have always tried to make up stories and fabricate sympathy for Froome.But assuming its true, he's hardly Mr popular

 

[kingjr]

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wow the July crowd have arrived just in time!
Welcome

indeed that's why this thread has been bumped, no interest in cycling, just mud throwing...if only it would stick

So by your logic Indurain and Carl Lewis were both 100% clean?

And btw i remind you that 80% of people in europe are convinced Froome is doping, so depends on your definition of mud sticking.

Cookson the big bad bogey man LOL


keep living the dream because thast all some of you have

Are you living the dream though? Vicariously through Froome. a mentally unstable stick insect who despite dominating a sport for 5 years is disliked by the majority of fans within it, to the extent that according to his own team, he can't ride a race without having piss thrown at him/ beer thrown at him/ having his cars attacked/ being booed on the podium etc.

Some dream you are living.

I don't think "despite" is the right word there. People who dominate are often the most hated.

Are you sure about that?

If sports stars were widely hated would companies throw millions at them do advertise products and associate their names with the brand? rhetorical question. Ironically of all Europe's sporting stars Froome (who as a TDF winner should be more famous) is one which gets very little in the way of advertising campaigns.

Look at how much some of these people make from endorsements: https://www.forbes.com/athletes/list/#tabverall_header:endorsements_sortreverse:true

hated?

You think Roger Federer is widely hated? Or Nadal? quite the contrary. Ronaldo and Messi? Ive seen Messi in some school in London visiting and every child rushed to just get a glimpse. Usain Bolt? Michael Jordan is still making money off his success 20 + years ago.

I don't think youd ever have crowds boo these people.

You just cannot, ever, compare basketball, fotoball or tennis players with cyclists.
Why should TDF winners be more famous, because it's such a huge event? Very few sports fans can be bothered with cyclists, and cyclists naturally make a far less attractive target for sponsors and fans just by how they look. Of course Nadal is hated by many fans, so is Ronaldo, mostly by fans of their biggest opponents, namely Federer and Messi. But they are style icons as well, which Froome most definitely is not. In fact, few cyclists are. Plus, he doesn't have a particular nationality, so fans from the nation he happens to ride for, Great Britain, ar more likely to line up behind one of their own, namely Wiggins, and when there was friction between the two, they inevitably sided with Wiggins, for the most part. And one of the riders he regularly humiliated in the biggest race, the TdF, is Contador, who arguably has the most and the craziest fans in the sport, which doesn't help either (as a matter of fact, Contador was loudly booed by the fans at the TdF team presentation in 2011, he only got really popular in 2012 after he served his ban, Armstrong admitted to doping and after he won the Vuelta in heroic fashion and he sort of emerged as the only hope against the Skytrain. Do you think he would be revered as he is now if he had just dominated 5 Tours in a row after 2007 and never served his ban?).
Oh, and he rides on the richest team which employs the best helpers who suck the life out of mountain stages by setting a tempo no one can ride away from and is led by Sir Dave, who can not formulate a normal sentence in his own language. He would be more liked if he rode on a weaker team and finished second or third in his GT's and maybe win one before he ends his career.

 

[miguelindurain111]

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And btw i remind you that 80% of people in europe are convinced Froome is doping

Can you prove your claim?

despite dominating a sport for 5 years is disliked by the majority of fans within it

Can you prove your claim?

1- a Danish newspaper did a poll of whether froome dopes or not. 80% said yes. Maybe its not 80% accross Europe but the reaction is generally sceptical everywhere outside of the UK (eg Walsh gets very negative reactions on off the ball), some commentators openly accuse him of doping etc.

2 - Well if Froome has piss thrown at him/ is booed/ persecuted etc then he does seem pretty disliked.

Of course you are right that we should doubt that froome ever had piss thrown at him since Sky are serial liars and have always tried to make up stories and fabricate sympathy for Froome.But assuming its true, he's hardly Mr popular

1. Okay so the fact is that 80% of respondents of a Danish newspaper poll think Froome dope

2. Are you saying that the majority of cycling fans throw urine, boo at him etc? At least during le Tour it seems to be the minority, not majority, of fans acting like that.

 

[rick james]

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And btw i remind you that 80% of people in europe are convinced Froome is doping

Can you prove your claim?

despite dominating a sport for 5 years is disliked by the majority of fans within it

Can you prove your claim?

1- a Danish newspaper did a poll of whether froome dopes or not. 80% said yes. Maybe its not 80% accross Europe but the reaction is generally sceptical everywhere outside of the UK (eg Walsh gets very negative reactions on off the ball), some commentators openly accuse him of doping etc.

2 - Well if Froome has piss thrown at him/ is booed/ persecuted etc then he does seem pretty disliked.

Of course you are right that we should doubt that froome ever had piss thrown at him since Sky are serial liars and have always tried to make up stories and fabricate sympathy for Froome.But assuming its true, he's hardly Mr popular

so in other words you're making it up as you go along....as we all thought

 

[rick james]

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irrational dislike incoming from majority fans for sure is the best yardstick which perfectly illustrates why froome shouldn't be on top of grand tour cycling. the hitch, just a question, who would you prefer to see a tour winner or multiple tour winner instead of froome and why other candidate staying on top would be more fair and likeable?

you know the hitch always thought of froome as a gentleman, then the agenda kicked in

 

[pastronef]

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irrational dislike incoming from majority fans for sure is the best yardstick which perfectly illustrates why froome shouldn't be on top of grand tour cycling. the hitch, just a question, who would you prefer to see a tour winner or multiple tour winner instead of froome and why other candidate staying on top would be more fair and likeable?

but not clean anyway ^^

anti-brit bias aside. is "the most incredible donkey to racehorse" stuff, about Froome, somehow related to the how the people perceive what should be fair or not?

is that thing choking in the followers throats every time they see Froome, because it is not "allowed"?

because ok gimme Boonen or Alberto and I will close eyes and ears and WANT to support them, while seeing Froome do the same it touches the "truth" alarm and also involves the thought of Alberto and Boonen and Nibali and all the others cause it is clear they dope too?

is Froome madness also ringing a bell for everyone? and that means people really understand they support dopers too, while before they pretended they didnt see? does it make clear that everyone choses his favourite doper?
before they pretended it was normal, it was the old euro doping tradition?

are we seeing the pesky brits doing what they werent supposed to do, go berzerk, win the Tours, and shake the old status quo where the old nations did the same but it was always so and it was fine?