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[The Hitch]

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Just realised a potential theory for how Froome's played this last couple of months:

-> News of A sample given to Froome
-> Froome negotiates a deal with the Giro to ride for £2mil knowing he can't ride it
-> Vegni denies the £2mil because of course they would never do that
-> Froome runs off with £2mil and Vegni has no way to get it back without severely hurting the reputation of RCS

Genius.

You're suggesting that any appearance fee is guaranteed regardless of appearance ? Why does this cunning plan require a failed dope test ?

Depends on the deal I guess, normally you'd get paid afterwards this is true. But since they're hiding the deal anything could of happened.

The plan doesn't involve the dope test, the theory was that Froome decided to cash in after he knew he was in trouble by pretending he was going to ride the Giro when he knew he'd never have to and grab an upfront underhand appearance $$$ deal that couldn't be retrieved.

Ok yes yes, unlikely, it's just something that popped into my head.

I dont think the Israel Tourism Office would pay him until he is there on the start line

You asked a question earlier, comparing positive tests of some no name Astana 23 riders to this scandal.

A bunch of people took the time to respond and gave you answers. Do you a knowledge them?

 

[Benotti69]

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Funny how the official notification was on BC (brian's) last day at the office. A conspiracy nut would claim, that this one was going to be solved among friends (BC=BC=SKY)

I can see this dragging on for years though. Sky and Froome can use a few months turdpolishing and the case will be mostly a distant distraction by july.

Depends if Lappartient finds anything else that was covered up.

Lappartient might decide Sky are bad for business and release more AAFs on Sky and their riders that Uncle Brian hid.

 

[The Hitch]

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UK state TV not pulling any punches which is nice to see. Probably the least surprising development that shows once more that there is no "pro-Sky" conspiracy. The test happened on Cookson's watch.

I'm utterly convinced Froome is a fraud but I'll be interested to see if this result will lead back to PEDs.

No surprises there. We love nothing more than dragging down our sports stars at every opportunity in the UK.

I heard this argument frim martinvickers many times and he was determined to push it. Never any proof though. Just a convenient narrative to make it seem like the Uk press wasn't totally in the tank for team gb and give the false impression that his beloved uk was superior to all other nations that behave nationalistically.

Fact is they clearly defend British sports stars.that's why paula Redcliffe is a journo on the BBC. Thags why they still defend mo farah.

For Froome and sky the writing is on the wall and he has never been their darling anyway.

 

[pastronef]

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Just realised a potential theory for how Froome's played this last couple of months:

-> News of A sample given to Froome
-> Froome negotiates a deal with the Giro to ride for £2mil knowing he can't ride it
-> Vegni denies the £2mil because of course they would never do that
-> Froome runs off with £2mil and Vegni has no way to get it back without severely hurting the reputation of RCS

Genius.

You're suggesting that any appearance fee is guaranteed regardless of appearance ? Why does this cunning plan require a failed dope test ?

Depends on the deal I guess, normally you'd get paid afterwards this is true. But since they're hiding the deal anything could of happened.

The plan doesn't involve the dope test, the theory was that Froome decided to cash in after he knew he was in trouble by pretending he was going to ride the Giro when he knew he'd never have to and grab an upfront underhand appearance $$$ deal that couldn't be retrieved.

Ok yes yes, unlikely, it's just something that popped into my head.

I dont think the Israel Tourism Office would pay him until he is there on the start line

You asked a question earlier, comparing positive tests of some no name Astana 23 riders to this scandal.

A bunch of people took the time to respond and gave you answers. Do you a knowledge them?

no name?

Kashekin and Vino positives in 2007

Fedosseyev becomes the third Astana Continental team rider to test positive for anabolic steroids after Ilya Davidenok and Viktor Okishev. Their positives followed those of the Iglinskiy brothers, Maxim and Valentin, both of whom rode for the full Astana WorldTour team, for the banned blood booster EPO. One of the brothers, Maxim, helped Nibali to victory at this year’s Tour de France, although he returned his positive on Aug 1, one week after the Tour ended.

that´s 7 positives. 2 from the main riders Vino (now owner) and Kashekin, 3 from the U23, 2 from world tour riders Iglinskiy brothers (one won Liege too, maybe for free, unlike Vinokourov)

and Astana are still there, so maybe Sky need a few more positives to fold.

 

[Wiggo's Package]

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Latest from Kelner and Ingle at the Guardian who broke the story this morning

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/dec/13/froome-failed-drugs-test-end-for-team-sky

"it could also be a final nail in the already battered coffin of Team Sky..."

Very good article. Without the leak I don’t think anyone would have found out. Froome was certainly acting as if nothing was wrong and it was going to be “taken care of”. Cookson’s departure came at a bad time for Sky.

They should have held onto Landa!

Froome knew the game was up and carried on with the BS. Remember that simple fact

And every Sky/Froome statement has got Brailsfraud's bullying/controlling hand writ large. That guy is a sociopath

Btw totally agree the Cookson departure is the only reason we know about this

 

[thehog]

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Latest from Kelner and Ingle at the Guardian who broke the story this morning

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/dec/13/froome-failed-drugs-test-end-for-team-sky

"it could also be a final nail in the already battered coffin of Team Sky..."

Very good article. Without the leak I don’t think anyone would have found out. Froome was certainly acting as if nothing was wrong and it was going to be “taken care of”. Cookson’s departure came at a bad time for Sky.

They should have held onto Landa!

Froome knew the game was up and carried on with the BS. Remember that simple fact

And every Sky/Froome statement has got Brailsfraud's bullying/controlling hand writ large. That guy is a sociopath

Btw totally agree the Cookson departure is the only reason we know about this

I think Froome was very confident that this was going to be taken care of. His naked photoshoot, at home with the Froome’s podcast, Giro announcement all came in the period he was aware of the A positive. My take this has occurred before with Dawg and he was waiting for Clueless Cookson to tie up the loose ends with Barfield & Gibbs, however once Cookson left all his henchmen lost their positions.

 

[MartinGT]

Chris Froome: Team Sky rider says legacy will not be tainted by 'adverse' drugs test - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/42345354

 

[MartinGT]

This is what I'm struggling with. He says he hasn't broken the rules. So whats the fuss about then?

 

[Melo]

Who's the equivalent of Oprah in UK? I wonder how much time will pass before we're gonna see a Oprah - Lance type of interview.

 

[MartinGT]

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Who's the equivalent of Oprah in UK? I wonder how much time will pass before we're gonna see a Oprah - Lance type of interview.

Jeremy Kyle :lol:

 

[coinneach]

Alone amongst posters here, I am not afraid to say I was a Chris Froome fan.
Not particularly for his Tour exploits, but for his Vuelta ones.
He’d turn up each year, do well, get tired, loose, and maintain his dignity
This year for once, he looked really determined to win it.
Until he started to tire again: stage 17 looked all too familiar.
But the transformation on stage 18 amazed me at the time.
Now it looks all too familiar.
I think the uci will throw the book at him.
They might not hit him, but I doubt if he’ll race again?

 

[Robert5091]

Team Sky was notified of the finding on September 20, Cookson gets kicked out 21st, but if not for The Guardian in Britain and Le Monde in France when would we have known about it?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/chris-froome-returns-adverse-analytical-finding-for-salbutamol/

According to http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05r0kvw the Sky & UCI press releases were only because of the knowledge that the news would be broken by The Guardian in Britain and Le Monde in France.

 

[thehog]

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Chris Froome: Team Sky rider says legacy will not be tainted by 'adverse' drugs test - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/42345354

In the age of fake news I guess you can attempt to write your own narrative. Problem for Froome he was always suspicious just by looking at him, he simply cannot be believed, there way too many inconsistencies in his story.

Sky need to re-hire JTL!

 

[jsem94]

He should be stripped of the Vuelta and be out for a few months. Maybe backdated ban for like 7 months and he'll be back in time for the Giro.

 

[Red Rick]

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He should be stripped of the Vuelta and be out for a few months. Maybe backdated ban for like 7 months and he'll be back in time for the Giro.

If it's ruled to be an offence, then stripping Vuelta + backdating should be the plan. However, they should not consider the program when deciding on the length of the ban.

 

[Robert5091]

How opportune with the Fox (owns 39% of Sky) & Disney deal to be announced tomorrow (13th)

Now, where's that DCMS report?! :lol:

 

[Brullnux]

2011: Wiggins stole his thunder
2012: faded massively and three amigos
2013: didn't turn up
2014: broken wrist and Contador
2015: crashed uphill
2016: Formigal
2017: Too many puffs of his damn inhaler

Froome's curse of the vuelta

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Chris Froome: Team Sky rider says legacy will not be tainted by 'adverse' drugs test - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/42345354

that's not up to you to decide, Froomey

 

[TheMight]

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He should be stripped of the Vuelta and be out for a few months. Maybe backdated ban for like 7 months and he'll be back in time for the Giro.

If it's ruled to be an offence, then stripping Vuelta + backdating should be the plan. However, they should not consider the program when deciding on the length of the ban.

How would it not be considered an offense? Under what possible rationale? He's twice the limit, he either has a TUE for that dosage or doesn't. I'm 100% certain we wouldn't have heard about it at all if the paperwork was in order. In my book, he's already burned that "freebee" match when he finished "with the same time" on Ventoux even though he didn't finish with the same time..

Seems like the Vuelta should be gone and a year from the time of the offense, at the minimum. Honestly, I wouldn't be upset if WADA wants 2 years. After the Wiggins stuff, Sky should have known much better, this is just arrogance.

As a comparison, AC tested something like 400x less than the normal testing limit, he had anti-doping experts acknowledge that contamination was possible and that level was likely non-beneficial and he lost 2 GTs, a contract, and a year, it was a costly positive to turn in.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

You can tell Froome is full of it. He's obviously willing to talk to the media about this, but has avoided mentioning any facts that could be checked and disputed. For example, the story is that a doctor told him to up his dosage of his puffer. Why not just say that doctor Jones (or whatever) advised me to take an extra 4 (or whatever) puffs when I woke up and another two before the start of the stage. It would put all the onus on the good doctor to defend himself rather than Froome looking dumb and sounding dumber.

John Swanson

 

[Clyde Puffer]

"So he "inhaled" TWICE the limit threshold of Salbutamol - TWICE as much "

Did he inhale twice as much?????
His urinary Salbutamol level was twice the permitted level, but this does NOT mean he inhaled twice as much.
a urinary concentration of 2000ng/mL is meaningless if you do not consider how concentrated or dilute the urine sample is. You could take the same number of puffs of an inhaler, but your salbutaml levels will be very different if you are climbing a mountain in the Vuelta whilst sweating like a pig, walking in the Australian outback for a couple of days with no water, or if you have just had 6 pints at your local pub.
The salbutamol concentration should be expressed as a ratio to urinary creatinine concentration in order to take the dilution or concentration of the sample into account.
i assume Froome is innocent until all of the scientific evidence is heard!

 

[TheSpud]

This kind of bears out what I've been saying for months, that Sky have learnt to dope with 'legal' prescription meds as opposed to the old way of EPO and blood bags...seems someone made a miscalculation though, oops.

Ok, so as you I’m a Sky fan and I guess you didn’t expect me or others to post here today (but I bet you were salivating at the prospect). In the past I have sparred with many a Clinic ‘beast’ (you know who you are) about Sky, etc. I guess now its time for me to man up, post and take the flak.

I have responded to the post above for a reason. I’ve always said that I believe that this is what Sky have been doing – pushing the grey areas : Xenon, Cortisone, Salbutamol, etc. within legal limits. I wouldn’t be surprised if Meldonium featured in there at one stage – the comments from Wiggins about being told what they could or couldn’t take, etc. suggests (strongly) that they were operating this way. ie Playing by the letter of the rules – but not the spirit.

So let me lay a few things out here based on Froome’s AAF:

1. Does this come as a surprise to me? No, not really.

2. Am I disappointed? Yes and no – you do what you have to do within the rules to win, unfortunately that is professional sport.

3. Do I think Sky are cheating? That’s a tough one – its been said before that what Sky are suspected of doing isn’t illegal (in a doping sense) but immoral. That to me supports the ‘grey’ area argument that I mentioned above- so technically not doping / cheating. This is where the rules need clarifying, etc. (and yes I do think these rules are exploited).

4. Should Froome be punished? Yes of course – rules are rules, BUT if there is some provable mitigation, etc.it needs looking at. To be honest I can’t see it so I foresee a ban.

I believe I’ve been fairly brave and honest here in posting and opening myself up for the inevitable flak.

Spud

 

[thehog]

This kind of bears out what I've been saying for months, that Sky have learnt to dope with 'legal' prescription meds as opposed to the old way of EPO and blood bags...seems someone made a miscalculation though, oops.

I believe I’ve been fairly brave and honest here in posting and opening myself up for the inevitable flak.

Spud

Your courage to speak out Spud is amazing. When need to create a special hashtag for your bravery do others can be inspired by your fortitude

 

[robow7]

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So you are advocating for the slippery gray rule: Low T, top it off with syn T, low hemog, top it off with CERA, low lung function, jack 'em open with salbu, low on watts, grab a motor... It sucks that you were born with an issue like that, but many people were born with or without things that will keep them from competing at the top level (or competing at all).


Well said !

 

[thehook]

I have to admit.....I'm envious of the Froome-Dog.

He got the Giro to Pay his Legal Bills. And never has to race a day for it! Brilliant