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Bolder said:Blanco said:Moser was a great rider however, with or without doping. Froome isn't.
Can't let this one pass. If you judge a rider by results and whether goals are accomplished, Froome is a great rider. He is great at winning Grand Tours.
Moser was amazing, I will grant anyone that. But the days of anyone compiling a record like his are long gone.
We don't know if Froome would have thrived in that era -- I suspect not, but that doesn't matter. Likewise, would Moser have dominated today in the same way? Never, and if he did we'd all know the reason...
The director of the Giro d’Italia Mauro Vegni has said that the UCI must "sort out" Chris Froome's salbutamol case before the start of this year's Italian Grand Tour. He reiterated that he cannot accept a "compromise solution" that would allow Froome to ride and possibly win the Giro d'Italia only to lose his victory due to a positive anti-doping result from another race, which is what happened to Alberto Contador in 2011.
"We were really happy that Froome was going to ride our race. Now we have to hope that everything will be quickly clarified, for Froome, for the interests of the Giro and for cycling in general," Vegni told L'Equipe.
Blanco said:Bolder said:Blanco said:Moser was a great rider however, with or without doping. Froome isn't.
Can't let this one pass. If you judge a rider by results and whether goals are accomplished, Froome is a great rider. He is great at winning Grand Tours.
Moser was amazing, I will grant anyone that. But the days of anyone compiling a record like his are long gone.
We don't know if Froome would have thrived in that era -- I suspect not, but that doesn't matter. Likewise, would Moser have dominated today in the same way? Never, and if he did we'd all know the reason...
You don't get it right. Moser was a champ. You could've saw that from day 1st of his career, until day last. You could've saw that by just looking him riding his bike, he was pure class. That has nothing to do with his results. And on the other side you have some weird physical/mechanical thing, who looks like **** while riding his bike!
rick james said:The fact is we have no business knowing about froomes abnormal reading, we should only know if he gets found guilty and is banned , it was only leaked because it was froome, I do wonder how many riders have had the same problem that we’ve never heard aboutRobert5091 said:http://www.velonews.com/2018/01/news/bardet-blasts-froome-doping-inquiry-laughing-stock_454828
Bardet blasts Froome over doping inquiry: ‘We are a laughing stock’
Leading French rider Romain Bardet called cycling “a laughing stock” for failing to announce any sanctions against Chris Froome since his adverse doping test during last year’s Vuelta a Espana was revealed.
let's be more accurate and state "I didn't enjoy seeing him winnning, I didn't want him to win anything, I don't consider him a champ at all" and so on, instead of doing global purely emotional generalizations.Blanco said:Bolder said:Blanco said:Moser was a great rider however, with or without doping. Froome isn't.
Can't let this one pass. If you judge a rider by results and whether goals are accomplished, Froome is a great rider. He is great at winning Grand Tours.
Moser was amazing, I will grant anyone that. But the days of anyone compiling a record like his are long gone.
We don't know if Froome would have thrived in that era -- I suspect not, but that doesn't matter. Likewise, would Moser have dominated today in the same way? Never, and if he did we'd all know the reason...
You don't get it right. Moser was a champ. You could've saw that from day 1st of his career, until day last. You could've saw that by just looking him riding his bike, he was pure class. That has nothing to do with his results. And on the other side you have some weird physical/mechanical thing, who looks like **** while riding his bike!
dacooley said:let's be more accurate and state "I didn't enjoy seeing him winnning, I didn't want him to win anything, I don't consider him a champ at all" and so on, instead of doing global purely emotional generalizations.Blanco said:Bolder said:Blanco said:Moser was a great rider however, with or without doping. Froome isn't.
Can't let this one pass. If you judge a rider by results and whether goals are accomplished, Froome is a great rider. He is great at winning Grand Tours.
Moser was amazing, I will grant anyone that. But the days of anyone compiling a record like his are long gone.
We don't know if Froome would have thrived in that era -- I suspect not, but that doesn't matter. Likewise, would Moser have dominated today in the same way? Never, and if he did we'd all know the reason...
You don't get it right. Moser was a champ. You could've saw that from day 1st of his career, until day last. You could've saw that by just looking him riding his bike, he was pure class. That has nothing to do with his results. And on the other side you have some weird physical/mechanical thing, who looks like **** while riding his bike!
Robert5091 said:http://www.velonews.com/2018/01/news/bardet-blasts-froome-doping-inquiry-laughing-stock_454828
Bardet blasts Froome over doping inquiry: ‘We are a laughing stock’
Leading French rider Romain Bardet called cycling “a laughing stock” for failing to announce any sanctions against Chris Froome since his adverse doping test during last year’s Vuelta a Espana was revealed.
fmk_RoI said:To those arguing due process, saying this should all be private until there's a result: Lizzie Deignan's case would still be private if it hadn't been for the leak. Even now, she refuses to allow CAS to officially make the case notes public.
MartinGT said:fmk_RoI said:To those arguing due process, saying this should all be private until there's a result: Lizzie Deignan's case would still be private if it hadn't been for the leak. Even now, she refuses to allow CAS to officially make the case notes public.
Apologies for taking this OT, but is there a point that they CAN become public? I/e she can no longer block them?
Wiggo's Package said:MartinGT said:fmk_RoI said:To those arguing due process, saying this should all be private until there's a result: Lizzie Deignan's case would still be private if it hadn't been for the leak. Even now, she refuses to allow CAS to officially make the case notes public.
Apologies for taking this OT, but is there a point that they CAN become public? I/e she can no longer block them?
Think it's correct to say that if the athlete is found guilty then the CAS appeal is automatically published but if the athlete is found not guilty it's the athlete's choice and of course the athlete will always block publication due to the incriminating evidence brought forth during said process
Is there a Para-olympic class out there for GT winners without functioning lungs or kidneys?macbindle said:I've just got to say this. You are all far too harsh on Froome.
For somebody with so many serious illnesses and a malfunctioning kidney he has done amazingly well to win 4 Grand Tours. You should all cut him some slack and stop being so disabilist.
He is an inspiration to all seriously ill people out there...
( :lol: )
Robert5091 said:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gir...ci-to-sort-out-chris-froomes-salbutamol-case/
The director of the Giro d’Italia Mauro Vegni has said that the UCI must "sort out" Chris Froome's salbutamol case before the start of this year's Italian Grand Tour. He reiterated that he cannot accept a "compromise solution" that would allow Froome to ride and possibly win the Giro d'Italia only to lose his victory due to a positive anti-doping result from another race, which is what happened to Alberto Contador in 2011.
"We were really happy that Froome was going to ride our race. Now we have to hope that everything will be quickly clarified, for Froome, for the interests of the Giro and for cycling in general," Vegni told L'Equipe.
Froome would not be allowed to start, or is this a call to let him off so he can ride?
glassmoon said:Wait a second... some people are actually buying the "kidney day-off" explanation?
glassmoon said:Wait a second... some people are actually buying the "kidney day-off" explanation?
thehog said:glassmoon said:Wait a second... some people are actually buying the "kidney day-off" explanation?
Head over the BikeRadar and yes they are amongst every other ailment he has managed to survive and win four GTs as the same time.
Wiggo's Package said:thehog said:glassmoon said:Wait a second... some people are actually buying the "kidney day-off" explanation?
Head over the BikeRadar and yes they are amongst every other ailment he has managed to survive and win four GTs as the same time.
Yes the BR crew take everything Froome, Brailsfraud, Wiggo, etc say on trust. No matter how implausible the story their critical faculties don't kick in. Some might call that naive. Or over-invested emotionally. Whatever
I mean Froome, Brailsfraud, Wiggo, etc couldn't possibly be be lying/doping toerags could they?! Please don't break my heart! Brit don't dope! Hold the line ffs! :lol: