Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[brownbobby]

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I'm all in favour of a prolonged strike from our bots on the forum.

Indeed. Down with debate and conflicting opinion.

A never ending circle of self affirmation.

That would make for an awesome forum. Wouldn't it....?

Please, somebody must agree with me. It would, wouldn't it...

I agree with you, but then again I never post ...

Well that's clearly a lie :lol:

 

[Koronin]

Their rider and staff budget is twice the entire budgets of several teams, esp when the average budget is 15,000 (or it was in 2016).

 

[rick james]

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I'm all in favour of a prolonged strike from our bots on the forum.

lol...aye nae bother

 

[rick james]

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Their rider and staff budget is twice the entire budgets of several teams, esp when the average budget is 15,000 (or it was in 2016).

well most probably most of the money is going to Froome and he's winning all the Grand tours....Id say it well spent money

 

[MartinGT]

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The presentation of the 2018 giro trophy had to be delayed because the sky backroom team were busy violently masterubating on the forum

any proof of that?


this is a place that tries to deal in facts...when it suits them...so lets see you back that up with facts ?

Funny when people ask you for facts you seem to go awol.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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I'm all in favour of a prolonged strike from our bots on the forum.

Indeed. Down with debate and conflicting opinion.

A never ending circle of self affirmation.

That would make for an awesome forum. Wouldn't it....?

Please, somebody must agree with me. It would, wouldn't it...

I agree with you, but then again I never post ...

Well that's clearly a lie :lol:

Just a small indulgence ... Not the only one I have ever seen here!

 

[chuuurles]

Cyclingtipds podcast saying they hear rumour froome is getting off

 

[Robert5091]

Cyclingtipds podcast saying they hear rumour froome is getting off

Well, the Clinic Forum Poll had him getting off as favourite pick, so .... business as usual!
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=33768

 

[samhocking]

The Cycling Podcast also saying Froome decision is due before Tour. They didn't discuss the verdict though.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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The Cycling Podcast also saying Froome decision is due before Tour. They didn't discuss the verdict though.

did they cite any sources sam, or is it just hearsay?
It would be a shame to spoil the TdF.

 

[brownbobby]

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The Cycling Podcast also saying Froome decision is due before Tour. They didn't discuss the verdict though.

did they cite any sources sam, or is it just hearsay?
It would be a shame to spoil the TdF.

If its the same one i just listened to then it was nothing like suggested...it was a bit of 'banter' between the presenters, something along the lines of ' i wonder if the UCI will throw a bazooka in the week before the TDF by announcing the Froome verdict'

They never suggested there was any real basis for this or rumours it was going to happen.....i think the closest they got, was something like 'there are no jungle drums beating or anything like that, maybe there's a very light tap of the snare that something might happen, but unfounded rumours in the week leading up to the TDF are not uncommon'

Not quoted word for word, but that was the general tone of it

 

[samhocking]

Obviously it's rumours within the media. Just interesting two different media outlets have said the same thing now, with Cyclingtips adding the rumour is not only the decision will.come before Tour, but the decision is Froome has been cleared. My guess is announcement will be later this afternoon when UCI and Sky press office closes for weekend.
Not sure about the bazooka comment. The one I listened to was Frieb and Birnie discussing the rumour the decision is before Tour, but is a gentle rumble at the moment. Think Birnie describes the rumour as a snare roll rather than a full bang on the drum confirmation.

A pre-Tour de France ramble, part one | Episode 22

 

[fmk_RoI]

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The Cycling Podcast also saying Froome decision is due before Tour. They didn't discuss the verdict though.

What was that rumour they had a few weeks ago from a Het Nosebleed hack which, when someone looked into it, turned out to be an opinion piece?

These guys have a track record almost as good as some of the regulars round here. Keep saying things and every now and then they get lucky...

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Obviously it's rumours within the media. Just interesting two different media outlets have said the same thing now, with Cyclingtips adding the rumour is not only the decision will.come before Tour, but the decision is Froome has been cleared.

If two media outlets are basically reporting on each other - or simply repeating something they heard from a third outlet - how is that "interesting"? That's not interesting, that's the fundamental flaw in the modern media, and the modern media audience which thinks hearing the same story twice means two reliable sources. Hey, you've heard it three times now, the Smugcast, CyclingShits and now the Clinic. That must mean it's really, really, really true, right?

 

[samhocking]

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Obviously it's rumours within the media. Just interesting two different media outlets have said the same thing now, with Cyclingtips adding the rumour is not only the decision will.come before Tour, but the decision is Froome has been cleared.

If two media outlets are basically reporting on each other - or simply repeating something they heard from a third outlet - how is that "interesting"? That's not interesting, that's the fundamental flaw in the modern media, and the modern media audience which thinks hearing the same story twice means two reliable sources. Hey, you've heard it three times now, the Smugcast, CyclingShits and now the Clinic. That must mean it's really, really, really true, right?

Cycling Tips recorded their show 'before' Cycling Podcast published theirs suggesting same rumour reached them independently. Cycling Podcast didn't discuss any rumour about Froome being cleared, just the decision is rumoured to be before Tour. Frieb & Birnie are usually pretty good. They are actually journalists on the ground within the cycling team bubble don't forget, especially Frieb.

 

[samhocking]

In terms of being 'interesting', it is for me given Lappartient suggesting it wouldn't be before Tour, and now two prominent Cycling Journalists willing to share something to the contrary that's all. clearly it is rumour and simply discussion. Nobody is claiming it as fact.

 

[thehog]

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In terms of being 'interesting', it is for me given Lappartient suggesting it wouldn't be before Tour, and now two prominent Cycling Journalists willing to share something to the contrary that's all. clearly it is rumour and simply discussion. Nobody is claiming it as fact.

Speculating on the speculation? Perhaps get the Froome exoneration in during the world so nobody notices?

 

[samhocking]

Maybe. Not sure World Cup will hide it much inside cycling though!

 

[Merckx index]

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What was that rumour they had a few weeks ago from a Het Nosebleed hack which, when someone looked into it, turned out to be an opinion piece?

These guys have a track record almost as good as some of the regulars round here. Keep saying things and every now and then they get lucky...

Yeah, that guy at the Telegraaf was "very confident" that Froome would be exonerated "within a few days", i.e., during the early stages of the Giro. Never heard from him again.

I think it's unlikely the decision would be announced this close to the TDF, unless Froome is exonerated. Assuming he gets a proactive ban--or a retroactive one that's ongoing--there would be a big uproar if Sky had to scramble to replace Froome at the last moment. It would overshadow the start of the Tour, even if it would sate those calling for him not to race. A week or two ago would have been a better time for such an announcement. Not to mention that it's pretty clear that Morgan's game plan is at a minimum to delay the decision till after the Tour.

Even if Froome should somehow get off, I don't think it would be a good time for the announcement, because there probably would be no details released--Froome wouldn't be obligated to--so he'd still be subjected to a lot of hate during the Tour. There would be calls for the decision to be published, throughout the Tour. As difficult as the situation is now, everyone has sort of settled down and accepted that Froome will ride in limbo.

 

[King Boonen]

Surely the announcement comes pretty much as soon as the decision is made. Anti-doping is supposed to be independent so in theory it should just be released and the parties involved have to deal with it.

 

[thehog]

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Surely the announcement comes pretty much as soon as the decision is made. Anti-doping is supposed to be independent so in theory it should just be released and the parties involved have to deal with it.

Unless immediately appealed.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Surely the announcement comes pretty much as soon as the decision is made. Anti-doping is supposed to be independent so in theory it should just be released and the parties involved have to deal with it.

Unless immediately appealed.

CAS do do expedited appeals but not for stuff like this. Plus, a quick appeal leaves no time to prepare.

 

[thehog]

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Surely the announcement comes pretty much as soon as the decision is made. Anti-doping is supposed to be independent so in theory it should just be released and the parties involved have to deal with it.

Unless immediately appealed.

CAS do do expedited appeals but not for stuff like this. Plus, a quick appeal leaves no time to prepare.

Bets on a CADF announcement the night before the Tour?

 

[fmk_RoI]

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Surely the announcement comes pretty much as soon as the decision is made. Anti-doping is supposed to be independent so in theory it should just be released and the parties involved have to deal with it.

Unless immediately appealed.

CAS do do expedited appeals but not for stuff like this. Plus, a quick appeal leaves no time to prepare.

Bets on a CADF announcement the night before the Tour?

About what? We've had the ABP case...

 

[Merckx index]

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Surely the announcement comes pretty much as soon as the decision is made. Anti-doping is supposed to be independent so in theory it should just be released and the parties involved have to deal with it.

Normally I would agree with you, but this is a very unusual situation. They have already delayed the decision for what I imagine is an unprecedented amount of time for a rider who has not been suspended. They have basically given Froome and his team carte blanche to take as much time as he wants. Given that, I find it hard to believe they’re going to announce a decision right before, let alone during, the Tour. If Haas is inclined to do so, all Morgan has to do is send him another hundred pages. It seems that Haas has not used his authority to terminate that phase of the process.

Also, if I understand the process correctly, the decision is not announced until the entire report is written up. That presumably takes several weeks. So suppose Haas came to his decision right now. He probably would not be able to finish writing the report until after the Tour started, so he could not announce the decision until then. Would he do that, knowing the enormous disruption caused if Froome had to be pulled out in the middle of the race? I don't know. If it was a proactive ban, then he really should announce it at that time, but if the report was not ready until a few days before the end of the Tour, would he just wait until the Tour was over? My guess is yes.

If the decision were a retroactive ban, he wouldn't face this difficulty, and possibly he might even be inclined to rule in that manner for just that reason. Though the situation seems to favor a proactive ban, a retroactive ban, beginning at the time of the AAF, has the huge advantage of not being affected by the timing of the decision.