Do we know if there has been an actual hearing yet ? I can't imagine this case has been resolved one way or another just with the exchanging and analysing of documents.
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fmk_RoI said:About what? We've had the ABP case...thehog said:fmk_RoI said:CAS do do expedited appeals but not for stuff like this. Plus, a quick appeal leaves no time to prepare.thehog said:King Boonen said:Surely the announcement comes pretty much as soon as the decision is made. Anti-doping is supposed to be independent so in theory it should just be released and the parties involved have to deal with it.
Unless immediately appealed.
Bets on a CADF announcement the night before the Tour?
yaco said:Do we know if there has been an actual hearing yet ? I can't imagine this case has been resolved one way or another just with the exchanging and analysing of documents.
That was humour? *** me, I thought Ned Boulting was bad...thehog said:This game again. Please get a sense of humor, for the life of us...
yaco said:Do we know if there has been an actual hearing yet ? I can't imagine this case has been resolved one way or another just with the exchanging and analysing of documents.
Merckx index said:yaco said:Do we know if there has been an actual hearing yet ? I can't imagine this case has been resolved one way or another just with the exchanging and analysing of documents.
That's another issue. It was argued that there couldn't be a hearing during the Giro, because Froome couldn't attend (though he probably could have participated by video conferencing, which I think is what many riders do; the hearing could have been held in the evening or evenings). The same obviously would apply to the Tour.
But there doesn't have to be a hearing. There was no hearing in 8/13 previous CADF decisions. Either of the parties can request there be no hearing, but the judge I believe has final say, and can simply make his decision without one if he believes it isn't necessary. If the documented evidence is clear enough to him, he may feel comfortable in making a ruling at that point. Speaking as a scientist, I would prefer not to have a hearing if I were a judge, because all the evidence should be contained in the documents, whereas a hearing allows rhetoric to be inserted into the process.
But Haas is not a scientist, and probably doesn't view it in the same way. And again, in a case as unusual as this, Haas might feel he had to give the defendant every possible chance. If he said there would be no hearing, Morgan would probably protest, particularly if not having a hearing increased the chances of a decision before the Tour. And if Froome's defense really is going to argue that the salbutamol criterion is unfair, I think a hearing would have to be held. If this is their defense, the stakes are enormous, far more than just Froome. Every athlete who has been sanctioned for a salbutamol level less than 2000 ng/ml--and that is everyone I'm aware of but for that Swiss track runner--would have grounds for suing UCI.
Interestingly, while still passing the blame back to the UCI he's now making it clear that it is not the fault of ASO's man in Aigle, Lappy:Legally, he can [start]
Time, I think, for Cooky to defend his tarnished reputation..."It's terrible that the sporting authorities have not managed to solve this problem before the start of the world's biggest race. I won't say anything more but of course, rules have to be modified.
"An abnormal control doesn't mean anything to a large public. It has to be black or white, positive or negative."
Prudhomme, once a journalist, would not blame the situation on the UCI's president, David Lappartient, who took over the position from Brian Cookson last autumn.
"He has already changed a lot of things but he couldn't change everything", Prudhomme said.
fmk_RoI said:Prudy again all but ruling out whacking Froome with the disrepute stick (and all but admitting why):Interestingly, while still passing the blame back to the UCI he's now making it clear that it is not the fault of ASO's man in Aigle, Lappy:Legally, he can [start]Time, I think, for Cooky to defend his tarnished reputation..."It's terrible that the sporting authorities have not managed to solve this problem before the start of the world's biggest race. I won't say anything more but of course, rules have to be modified.
"An abnormal control doesn't mean anything to a large public. It has to be black or white, positive or negative."
Prudhomme, once a journalist, would not blame the situation on the UCI's president, David Lappartient, who took over the position from Brian Cookson last autumn.
"He has already changed a lot of things but he couldn't change everything", Prudhomme said.
(A part of me does wish ASO did play the disrepute card. Just to see the looks on faces when CAS laughed it out of court.)
fmk_RoI said:Prudy again all but ruling out whacking Froome with the disrepute stick (and all but admitting why):Interestingly, while still passing the blame back to the UCI he's now making it clear that it is not the fault of ASO's man in Aigle, Lappy:Legally, he can [start]Time, I think, for Cooky to defend his tarnished reputation..."It's terrible that the sporting authorities have not managed to solve this problem before the start of the world's biggest race. I won't say anything more but of course, rules have to be modified.
"An abnormal control doesn't mean anything to a large public. It has to be black or white, positive or negative."
Prudhomme, once a journalist, would not blame the situation on the UCI's president, David Lappartient, who took over the position from Brian Cookson last autumn.
"He has already changed a lot of things but he couldn't change everything", Prudhomme said.
(A part of me does wish ASO did play the disrepute card. Just to see the looks on faces when CAS laughed it out of court.)
Merckx index said:Anyone want to bet on which concludes first? The Mueller investigation or the Froome case?
Either one in our lifetimes?
thehog said:Merckx index said:Anyone want to bet on which concludes first? The Mueller investigation or the Froome case?
Either one in our lifetimes?
Mueller needs to wait for the midterms, an impeachment cannot be successful without the Dems controlling he senate. Lappy pulled a coup for the election maybe he has something hot his sleeve just before the Tour? I’m still expecting a leak of some sort just like the Stade 2 documentary on the faulty iPads pre election.
Tour de France organisers ASO have told Team Sky that Chris Froome will not be allowed to start in this year’s race, which starts on Saturday.
It's a brave move. Whatever your opinion of Froome or his likely chances in the case, nothing is better calculated to damage the image of ASO or the event than excluding him would.Quantumsoda said:Apparently, ASO is prohibiting Froome from starting in the Tour. (le monde)
"Team Sky has already appealed this decision to the National Olympic Committee of French Sport, and a hearing is scheduled for Tuesday, July 3 with a decision set to made the following day."samhocking said:Surely the French Court is just going to ask why didn't you do the same for any other rider with a pending CAS case that you did allow to race? I can't see how it can apply. Boonen won. I'm not sure of anyother cases where ASO blocked a rider. They blocked Astana iirc and I assume Astana didn't got to court?
yaco said:I suspect this will end in tears for the ASO - Will add the ASO could have made this decision weeks ago - Colour me cynical.
MartinGT said:Could ASO have any idea that a ban is coming?