Froome Vs. Contador

[Valv.Piti]

Re:

How would you rank the strongest climber by year, Flo?

2007: The Chicken?
2008: Contador
2009: Contador
2010: Contador
2011: Contador
2012: ?
2013: Froome
2014: ?
2015: Froome
2016: ?

07: Contador/Rasmussen
08: Contador - Sastre close
09: Contador
10: Contador/Schleck
11: Contador
12: Purito
13: Froome
14: No clue.
15: Froome/Quintana/Landa
16: Quintana a notch above Froome, probably.

 

[staubsauger]

2004: Armstrong
2005: Armstrong
2006: Basso
2007: Rasmussen
2008: Sella & Ricco!
2009: Contador
2010: Contador
2011: Contador
2012: Froome, Purito, Contador (?)
2013: Froome
2014: Contador
2015: Landa

 

[Valv.Piti]

Another thing I think its important when comparing them is the level before and after Bertie's suspension, or at least take it into consideration: Pre 2011, the main protagonists were Klöden, Menchov, Leipheimer, Schleckx2, Evans, Valverde and Sastre. After 2011, you had Froome, Quintana, Nibali, Purito, Valverde, Aru and Pinot. I think its safe you say that the level is higher after 2011.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

In 2007 it was the Chicken.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re:

2008: Sella & Ricco!

Whoops, honestly forgot Ricco. Woulda probably tied Contador that year or even surpassed had he finished that Tour. What a shame.

 

[LaFlorecita]

2007 - 2011 Contador
2012 - Rodriguez
2013 - Froome
2014 - Contador
2015 - Landa
2016 - Quintana/Contador on par so far

 

[ray j willings]

Bertie's record speaks itself. He has raced and defeated the best. Froome had to hang on desperately to win last years tour and in 2013 he won the tour racing against poor , weakened rivals. Froomes a lucky tour winner and not proved himself in any other GT. He cant cope without a team. Bertie can like he did in last years Giro.
Bertie his a true champion who defeats the very best.
Evans ,Schleck .Chicken. Armstrong ,Pantani, Quintana, Aru , Valverde Purito [ at his best] are all superior riders than Froome. Froome will be found out " again" big time at this years tour unless he gets a lucky wind split

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re:

Another thing I think its important when comparing them is the level before and after Bertie's suspension, or at least take it into consideration: Pre 2011, the main protagonists were Klöden, Menchov, Leipheimer, Schleckx2, Evans, Valverde and Sastre. After 2011, you had Froome, Quintana, Nibali, Purito, Valverde, Aru and Pinot. I think its safe you say that the level is higher after 2011.

Really,they didn't race against each other so you can't say which group of riders was better. The only thing that is certain is that Froome is a tougher rival for Contador than Schleck, because of his TT skills.

 

[Campervan man]

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Bertie's record speaks itself. He has raced and defeated the best. Froome had to hang on desperately to win last years tour and in 2013 he won the tour racing against poor , weakened rivals. Froomes a lucky tour winner and not proved himself in any other GT. He cant cope without a team. Bertie can like he did in last years Giro.
Bertie his a true champion who defeats the very best.
Evans ,Schleck .Chicken. Armstrong ,Pantani, Quintana, Aru , Valverde Purito [ at his best] are all superior riders than Froome. Froome will be found out " again" big time at this years tour unless he gets a lucky wind split

Am I being a doughnut but when did he beat Pantani?

I'd also say 2014 Nibali is tied for best climber but Alberto has the longevity no one else has except a lesser Valverde.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

2007 - 2011 Contador

Rasmussen beat Contador in the mountains in 2007.

Otherwise I agree with you.

 

[Ramon Koran]

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Bertie's record speaks itself. He has raced and defeated the best. Froome had to hang on desperately to win last years tour and in 2013 he won the tour racing against poor , weakened rivals. Froomes a lucky tour winner and not proved himself in any other GT. He cant cope without a team. Bertie can like he did in last years Giro.
Bertie his a true champion who defeats the very best.
Evans ,Schleck .Chicken. Armstrong ,Pantani, Quintana, Aru , Valverde Purito [ at his best] are all superior riders than Froome. Froome will be found out " again" big time at this years tour unless he gets a lucky wind split

Don't agree Contador rivals were mediocre before 2011 either good time trial but not good climbers or other way. Armstrong was past it, pantani was dead unless you mean ricco he wasn't great tt. Since 2011 stronger rivals and not so dominant. Saying grooms was lucky is just hate 2013 and 2015 he crushed the fields and had enough to hold on in third weak.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

Another thing I think its important when comparing them is the level before and after Bertie's suspension, or at least take it into consideration: Pre 2011, the main protagonists were Klöden, Menchov, Leipheimer, Schleckx2, Evans, Valverde and Sastre. After 2011, you had Froome, Quintana, Nibali, Purito, Valverde, Aru and Pinot. I think its safe you say that the level is higher after 2011.

Really,they didn't race against each other so you can't say which group of riders was better. The only thing that is certain is that Froome is a tougher rival for Contador than Schleck, because of his TT skills.

I think you definitely can say which group is the better one. I see 2006-2011 as the period where nobody had their *** together apart from Bertie and finally a 'real' contender emerged as Schleck. Menchov, Sastre, Leipheimer, Evans etc. were good, but nothing to be afraid of. Then you compare that to Nibali, Froome and Quintana.

 

[Campervan man]

2007 - 2011 Contador

Rasmussen beat Contador in the mountains in 2007.

Otherwise I agree with you.

Yea he did there's no way Alberto could better him that year, match him most the time but not better him. I still think Froome will trounce all enough early this Tour with Nairo clawing back later on. Nairo is probably just about the best climber now though. Next year he will be best by a margin.

And Contador is slightly less than Froome now, unless he can dig deeper than '13/'15, I hope he can but Froome seems to have that ridiculous first set of mountains form which kills race in week 2. Tactics could help Contador but that doesn't make him as good. His palmares and daring made him a much better rider overall but in pure Tour climbing power not. I hope this years an anomaly though.

 

[Velolover2]

Re: Re:

How would you rank the strongest climber by year, Flo?

2007: The Chicken?
2008: Contador
2009: Contador
2010: Contador
2011: Contador
2012: ?
2013: Froome
2014: ?
2015: Froome
2016: ?

07: Contador/Rasmussen
08: Contador - Sastre close
09: Contador
10: Contador/Schleck
11: Contador
12: Purito
13: Froome
14: No clue.
15: Froome/Quintana/Landa
16: Quintana a notch above Froome, probably.

Ah yeah, forgot about Landa. He looked like the strongest rider in 2015.

 

[Ramon Koran]

07- Rasmussen
08- ricco
09- Alberto
10- schleck
11- schleck
12- purito
13- froome
14- nibali
15- landa
16- too early to decide but so far Quintana

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re:

07- Rasmussen
08- ricco
09- Alberto
10- schleck
11- schleck
12- purito
13- froome
14- nibali
15- landa
16- too early to decide but so far Quintana

Disappointed you could not find a stronger climber for 2009. It's like you're not even trying

 

[Scarponi]

Re:

Another thing I think its important when comparing them is the level before and after Bertie's suspension, or at least take it into consideration: Pre 2011, the main protagonists were Klöden, Menchov, Leipheimer, Schleckx2, Evans, Valverde and Sastre. After 2011, you had Froome, Quintana, Nibali, Purito, Valverde, Aru and Pinot. I think its safe you say that the level is higher after 2011.

Evans and Shleck.A ( pre 2011) could outclimb everyone from this era bar Froome TDF peak and third week Quintana.

Pre 11 Evans could out TT probably even Froome.

I think his TDF wins before 11 were harder tbh.

 

[Ramon Koran]

Re: Re:

07- Rasmussen
08- ricco
09- Alberto
10- schleck
11- schleck
12- purito
13- froome
14- nibali
15- landa
16- too early to decide but so far Quintana

Disappointed you could not find a stronger climber for 2009. It's like you're not even trying

Ok maybe 2010 and 2011 you can argue Contador but other than that my list is perfect

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

I think his TDF wins before 11 were harder tbh.

Yes but he didn't get any TDF wins post 2011
(I get your point )

 

[ray j willings]

I know Froome did not race Pantani . I was making a opinion about riders who IMO are superior to Froome.
Froomes early mountain attack did not work in the 2014dauphine did it? and it did not work in the Vuelta last year.
Froome got his gap in last years tour due to wind and in 2013 with his ITT against a weak field he got a gap again.
Froome made it clear that he preferred the Giro in 2015 yet bottled out when he knew Bertie was racing and opted for the tour where he knew he would Face a tired Bertie and have more chance of a win.

Froome has to many bad days in a GT to be classed as a great rider and he his lost without team mates.

 

[Tonton]

Is it just the TdF we're talking about? If it's overall, Piepoli in '07 is a no-brainer.

See Fantasy Doping Draft Entry:

With the 2nd pick of Round 6, 52nd pick overall, team "La Vie Pas Claire" selects:

Giro 2007 - Leonardo Piepoli

One of the most dominating performance for a mountain specialist was Piepoli's masterful Giro '07, when he won the mountain classification, one stage, and offered two victories to his Saunier Duval teammates Ricco and Simoni. The record-setting climb of Monte Zoncolan with Simoni was super-mutant, two and a half minutes faster than Nairo's (and an undrafted rider) performance in '14. Leonardissimo will be the mountain goat for team "La Vie Pas Claire".

 

[ray j willings]

Is it just the TdF we're talking about? If it's overall, Piepoli in '07 is a no-brainer.

See Fantasy Doping Draft Entry:

With the 2nd pick of Round 6, 52nd pick overall, team "La Vie Pas Claire" selects:

Giro 2007 - Leonardo Piepoli

One of the most dominating performance for a mountain specialist was Piepoli's masterful Giro '07, when he won the mountain classification, one stage, and offered two victories to his Saunier Duval teammates Ricco and Simoni. The record-setting climb of Monte Zoncolan with Simoni was super-mutant, two and a half minutes faster than Nairo's (and an undrafted rider) performance in '14. Leonardissimo will be the mountain goat for team "La Vie Pas Claire".

Blood is thicker than water

 

[Ramon Koran]

I know Froome did not race Pantani . I was making a opinion about riders who IMO are superior to Froome.
Froomes early mountain attack did not work in the 2014dauphine did it? and it did not work in the Vuelta last year.
Froome got his gap in last years tour due to wind and in 2013 with his ITT against a weak field he got a gap again.
Froome made it clear that he preferred the Giro in 2015 yet bottled out when he knew Bertie was racing and opted for the tour where he knew he would Face a tired Bertie and have more chance of a win.

Froome has to many bad days in a GT to be classed as a great rider and he his lost without team mates.

I don't understand your logic, froome won the tour twice convincingly. Maybe the opposition isn't the greatest ever but nibali and Quintana are no slouches. As far as I know the itt and the wind are part of the race and Quintana is not good enough that's all. Take the tt out of the 2015 giro because landa and aru are weak in it and I can assure Contador doesn't win that race. Take schlecks mecanical and the tt out of 10 tdf and Contador doesn't win the race. Leave Rasmussen 07 tdf contador doesn't win the race. Take out Quintana crash in 2014 vuelta Contador doenst win the race. If purito wasn't so bad tactically 2012 vuelta Alberto doesn't win the race. Put pantani and peak Armstrong and giro 2011 and tdf 2009 Alberto doesn't win the race.... Following your logic Alberto is not a great rider.

 

[staubsauger]

Oh yeah. Piepoli was doing a shitload of work up to Tre Cime and dropped Rasmussen with his sheer power. Also he climbed very strong at the Vuelta until he had to leave for his salbutamol positive. Even played a little role in the general classification because of this climbing skills there.

Good call, pal!

Rasmussen tough, produced a Diablo at Sestriere like stage qin up to Tignes. And he outclimbed the upcoming shining star of cycling up to Aubisque.

That slightly makes him the world's best climber in 2007 for me. But he's my idol after all. So I'm hardly objective.

 

[cantpedal]

I know Froome did not race Pantani . I was making a opinion about riders who IMO are superior to Froome.
Froomes early mountain attack did not work in the 2014dauphine did it? and it did not work in the Vuelta last year.
Froome got his gap in last years tour due to wind and in 2013 with his ITT against a weak field he got a gap again.
Froome made it clear that he preferred the Giro in 2015 yet bottled out when he knew Bertie was racing and opted for the tour where he knew he would Face a tired Bertie and have more chance of a win.

Froome has to many bad days in a GT to be classed as a great rider and he his lost without team mates.

LOL this is so full of nonsense I don't know where to begin..... You completely ignore Race situation and tactics in reference to the Tour. You think Sky care about the Giro when compared to the Tour? they made CF ride the Tour instead. the rest is ........