Froome Vs. Contador

[Gigs_98]

All of Contadors victories was achieved by extreme luck.

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(Have in mind the date of the day and that this is a danish website with close relations to Tinkoff...)

OH MY GOD, HOW COULD WE ALL BE SO BLIND?
Now that you say it I also realize that Contador indeed only won the Giro 2008 because he was better, the Vuelta 2008 because he gained time by time bonuses which are part of the rules, the Giro 2011 because he was AGAIN better (he won because of that reason twice ), the Vuelta 2012 because he attacked, the Vuelta 2014 because an opponent crashed who hadn't even shown that he is stronger, and the Giro 2015 because Landa would without any doubt have gained 3 more minutes in the mountains.

Thank god we now all know what a bad rider Contador really is.

 

[dacooley]

froome / contador fanboys really love the underrate their biggest challenger to the exteme nastiness. you won't win any gt without any sort of luck, take it for granted.

 

[Gigs_98]

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froome / contador fanboys really love the underrate their biggest challenger to the exteme nastiness. you won't win any gt without any sort of luck, take it for granted.

Yes, you can probably do this: "a rider won all his races due to luck" list for most gc winners:
Froome only won the 2013 tour because Nibali rode the giro and contador was in horrible shape and in 2015 he only won because Quintana lost time in the cross winds
Nibali only won the vuelta 2010 because Anton crashed, he only won the giro 2013 because he had a weak rivals and the tour 2014 because both Contador and Froome crashed.

 

[dacooley]

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froome / contador fanboys really love the underrate their biggest challenger to the exteme nastiness. you won't win any gt without any sort of luck, take it for granted.

Yes, you can probably do this: "a rider won all his races due to luck" list for most gc winners:
Froome only won the 2013 tour because Nibali rode the giro and contador was in horrible shape and in 2015 he only won because Quintana lost time in the cross winds
Nibali only won the vuelta 2010 because Anton crashed, he only won the giro 2013 because he had a weak rivals and the tour 2014 because both Contador and Froome crashed.

being guided by your logic, one can easily downplay any victory in a grand tour

 

[Gigs_98]

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froome / contador fanboys really love the underrate their biggest challenger to the exteme nastiness. you won't win any gt without any sort of luck, take it for granted.

Yes, you can probably do this: "a rider won all his races due to luck" list for most gc winners:
Froome only won the 2013 tour because Nibali rode the giro and contador was in horrible shape and in 2015 he only won because Quintana lost time in the cross winds
Nibali only won the vuelta 2010 because Anton crashed, he only won the giro 2013 because he had a weak rivals and the tour 2014 because both Contador and Froome crashed.

being guided by your logic, one can easily downplay any victory in a grand tour

Thats exactly what I wanted to say

 

[Red Rick]

You can't beat who's not there. So you can give a guy credit for showing up himself and winning. But do look at the circumstances when discussing a riders ability.

 

[Gigs_98]

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You can't beat who's not there. So you can give a guy credit for showing up himself and winning. But do look at the circumstances when discussing a riders ability.

I dont know if you wrote this comment in respond to my comment in which I wrote that froomes and nibali's wins were lucky but just in case you did: With my comment I actually wanted to show why I found the article about Contador stupid because you can make every gt win, even the most impressive and deserved ones like tdf 2013 look as if they were lucky. I didnt want to say that these wins were really lucky.

 

[Red Rick]

It was just a general comment. I thought it was pretty clear you weren't serious

 

[Taxus4a]

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second half of story .... 2015 Alberto realizes he'll never beat Froome and decides he'll ride the Giro where he's got a shot at winning with the added bonus of an excuse when he gets smoked in the Tour

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It was that way, nor Froome , nor Quintana nor Nibali were in the Giro, so he though would be easy to win the Giro, and he could go without pressure to try to win le Tour.

 

[RedheadDane]

That article was clearly a joke... Though I wouldn't say the website in question has close ties with Tinkoff.


But on a somewhat more serious note, I guess there's a tiny amount of luck in all victories.

 

[MortiroloForever]

Contador makes the cycling a beautiful sport. It's not the victories he got but the way he won them what makes him a "rara avis" and a rider to remember. Contador is going to be a member of the cycling hall of fame, not only for having won the Giro-Tour-Vuelta. Above his wins I will remember him for his "old school" understanding of the cycling and his outstanding performances.

He is the best cyclist in GT since Miguel Indurain, and in my humble opinion, the most unpreddictable rider since Marco Pantani. I think that is not a palmares what makes you feel happy as spectator when you seat on the couch to watch cycling. And that's the reason why I will cherised him until his retirement.

Contador has been unlucky to be part of an era of cycling where everything was a chaos, but I think he

 

[PremierAndrew]

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That article was clearly a joke... Though I wouldn't say the website in question has close ties with Tinkoff.


But on a somewhat more serious note, I guess there's a tiny amount of luck in all victories.

Let's face it, there are two hundred riders at the start of each grand tour. No matter how good you are at bike handling, if you're riding along in the bunch at 50km/h and the person directly in front goes down, you're going down too.

Yeah, you can minimise your risk by staying at the front, but if you haven't crashed, then you've had at least a tiny amount of luck

 

[ray j willings]

Armstrong was lucky for 7 years? I think you can.be smart and diminish the chances of accident
Being on.the.ball and not getting caught in.a wind.split.makes you a smart,lucky.rider not the best.
Quintana was the best,strongest rider in last year's tour he was not the smartest

 

[Rollthedice]

Based on last 4 GTs he started Froome has 50% chance to crash out of this year's TdF. In his situation yes, he needs a bit of luck to finish.

 

[Red Rick]

Yeah, lets roll the dice

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Armstrong was lucky for 7 years? I think you can.be smart and diminish the chances of accident
Being on.the.ball and not getting caught in.a wind.split.makes you a smart,lucky.rider not the best.
Quintana was the best,strongest rider in last year's tour he was not the smartest

Yes Armstrong was lucky for 7 years. As a good bike handler, not crashing for 7 years in a row required a lot less luck for him than for a lot of others, but nonetheless, he was lucky

 

[Valv.Piti]

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froome / contador fanboys really love the underrate their biggest challenger to the exteme nastiness. you won't win any gt without any sort of luck, take it for granted.

If you are referring to Quintana, then I agree. The Tour should be his this year with everyone for Quintana and Valverde hopefully there to guide him through. Lets hope Anacona can take that next step and Moreno haven't lost anything on the climbs to they are able to pressure Sky with their team when need be, something they wasn't last year since Valverde had his podium in mind.

 

[Brullnux]

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froome / contador fanboys really love the underrate their biggest challenger to the exteme nastiness. you won't win any gt without any sort of luck, take it for granted.

If you are referring to Quintana, then I agree. The Tour should be his this year with everyone for Quintana and Valverde hopefully there to guide him through. Lets hope Anacona can take that next step and Moreno haven't lost anything on the climbs to they are able to pressure Sky with their team when need be, something they wasn't last year since Valverde had his podium in mind.

No one is rating Quintana's chances as he himself said that he won't be agressive. When you have a 40km TT I expect Quintana to lose a couple of minutes and no way he'll get them back in the mountains by attacking 3-5km out on every climb.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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froome / contador fanboys really love the underrate their biggest challenger to the exteme nastiness. you won't win any gt without any sort of luck, take it for granted.

If you are referring to Quintana, then I agree. The Tour should be his this year with everyone for Quintana and Valverde hopefully there to guide him through. Lets hope Anacona can take that next step and Moreno haven't lost anything on the climbs to they are able to pressure Sky with their team when need be, something they wasn't last year since Valverde had his podium in mind.

No one is rating Quintana's chances

Apart from the bookmakers who think he is close to Froome and ahead of Contador? Quintana has learned from his mistakes and he won't have Valverde to think about this time around

 

[Red Rick]

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[Brullnux]

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froome / contador fanboys really love the underrate their biggest challenger to the exteme nastiness. you won't win any gt without any sort of luck, take it for granted.

If you are referring to Quintana, then I agree. The Tour should be his this year with everyone for Quintana and Valverde hopefully there to guide him through. Lets hope Anacona can take that next step and Moreno haven't lost anything on the climbs to they are able to pressure Sky with their team when need be, something they wasn't last year since Valverde had his podium in mind.

No one is rating Quintana's chances

Apart from the bookmakers who think he is close to Froome and ahead of Contador? Quintana has learned from his mistakes and he won't have Valverde to think about this time around

Did you read the rest of the post? Or just the first line? After you would've seen why that is my point of view. After you would've seen why I think Quintana hasn't learnt from his mistakes and thus will not win the Tour.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I read it and thats your opinion and you are completely entitled to it! I just pointed out that the general consensus is that Froome is the biggest favourite ahead of Quintana and Contador in that order among bookmakers. I read the interview, I was surprised as well and we can speculate all into July. One thing is certain and that is, if he feels he is stronger than Froome, he will go. There really isn't a question about that. IIRC, he said he will be more conservative - I think he refers to doing a better job early in terms of resting and getting through as easy as possible. Then come the Pyrenees, all logic says Quintana AND Contador should wait for Froome to show his cards and do everything in order to follow him. In the Alps, Quintana knows he will be better than Froome.

 

[Cannibal72]

Bookmakers know nothing, especially three months before the Tour even starts.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Bookmakers know nothing, especially three months before the Tour even starts.

You are more than welcome to expose the dumb bookmakers then.....

 

[dacooley]

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Bookmakers know nothing, especially three months before the Tour even starts.

for sure as no one is able to predict the future precisely, still they are much more objective and competent than overwhelming majority of partial cycling audience.