Froome Vs. Contador

[rick james]

No hypocrisy. Froome is injured and can't perform in the race, Bertie says he is injured next thing he is killing it on massive climbs....Like i've said he's lied most of his career

 

[LaFlorecita]

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No hypocrisy. Froome is injured and can't perform in the race, Bertie says he is injured next thing he is killing it on massive climbs....

Yes that's the difference between a good rider and a champ.

 

[Miburo]

blurry back at it again, insulting people left and right.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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People also forget that last year Contador rode the Giro partialy injured, makes it more impressive.

Exactly, it takes a lot out of you. And don't forget that during Catalunya, he crashed and suffered a small fracture in his sacrum, even though it's not a terrible injury your body still spends energy while healing it which can influence your recovery and preparation.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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blurry back at it again, insulting people left and right.

Pot calling the kettle black

 

[BlurryVII]

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No hypocrisy. Froome is injured and can't perform in the race, Bertie says he is injured next thing he is killing it on massive climbs....Like i've said he's lied most of his career

That's the difference between you and me, I don't say that Froome's lying. Even if he performed, I'd still acknowledge he was injured. Why would I insist to let people know that he was lying when I have no proof at all?

Where I see that AC overcomes a crash and fights to the end, you see him lying about his injury. I guess you thought he was lying about his Tour 14' injury as well because he won the Vuelta ? You probably thought he completely broke his leg when Contador has never stated that lol.

Why would he even lie about his Giro injury? Mystery. He did tests, the doctors said themselves he had a shoulder dislocation. He paid them and told all the staff to lie about it as well?

Who am I even talking to, you're just a hater who doesn't wanna hear anything and doesn't have any logic whatsoever lmao.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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He did tests, the doctors said themselves he had a shoulder dislocation. He paid them and told all the staff to lie about it as well?

Yes exactly.. and in the 2014 TDF he bribed the ASO doctors and the doctors of a very highly acclaimed clinic in Madrid. Duh

 

[BlurryVII]

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blurry back at it again, insulting people left and right.

Probably gonna get banned soon lol, don't really care. Never read so much bullsh,it and hypocrisy on a forum.

Just like that, this guy accuses AC of cheating in 07' and 09' without any proof and lying all over the place. But that's alright I guess.

 

[Miburo]

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blurry back at it again, insulting people left and right.

Pot calling the kettle black

The irony of this is beautiful fleur

 

[blackmamba]

Rick James:

Contador:

Tour de France (2007, 2009)
Giro d'Italia 2008, 2015)
Vuelta a España (2008, 2012, 2014)

Facts hurts I know, your little guy Froome who has existed at this lvl for a few years cant compare to the greatness Contador posses ( in all areas of racing). Im sure you believe Kristoff is better than Cancellera too?

And before you ignorant people who lack some serious brainpower(never able to see the bigger picture nor understand it it seems) comes with your totally not interessting thoughts, heres another little fact for you. Froome has never beaten Contador on equal terms. Last year it was cause of the Giro which everyone would understand why contador was a no show at the tour, the year before he crashed like froome did aswell and 2013 he hadnt the proper fondation since he couldnt race for a very long time which again is also clear why he wasnt in form, he also lacked a 3 week GT in his legs from the prior year which also affects alot.

The only time they raced on somewhat equal terms against eachother was in the vuelta 2014 and Contador won so please just stop with your thoughts yada yada cause their totally not interessting when the facts shows the opposite. If you cant handle it, thats your problem but atleast try to make sense backed up by some facts OH wait you cant cause there is none

Say what you want on how I say it and that I dont care if I insult people which sphew this nonsense, but atleast I tell the truth which is backed up by facts and stats and not my own mixed up ideas

 

[Red Rick]

I didn't even see a proper insult in there. 3/10 poor effort Blurry.

 

[dacooley]

сome on, ladies and gentlemen, that's just the opposite sides of bias. frankly i can understand emotions, passion, huge desire to see your favorite on the top of the game. the only thing i really fail to comprehend is why froome pulling 2.50 out of post-giro bertie on pierre saint partin is 'lol, ugly, ***' and so on but at the same time post giro fatigued bertie sticking to the wheel of fully fit fresh froome would've been OK and many people were hoping for this in dead earnest. just for a note, that was about 1 minute between them in the high mountains in the 2014 vuelta hence they are more or less on the same (equal) level. where is common sense?

 

[blackmamba]

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the only thing i really fail to comprehend is why froome pulling 2.50 out of post-giro bertie on pierre saint partin is 'lol, ugly, ***''?

If you fail to see that you know nothing about cycling nor general physics for that matter.*

Its not *** or ugly, not at all whats *** and ugly is that the biased fans actually thinks that makes him better than Contador without recognizing that he did the giro and understanding it.

To try to explain it to you english biased fanboys who dont understand it, its like starting the fotball match 2-0 DOWN to Barcelona at camp nou thats not equal terms nor is it very easy is it..Thats called common sense sir

 

[ray j willings]

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Bertie took on a.bonkers Astana team single.handed. He also knew he was riding the tour so its very difficult to judge his level at the giro. He rode to save energy but I think it turned out a lot tougher than he thought it would be. I.doubt any other rider could have defeated Astana the way Bertie did.

More than one or two riders. Aru is not a very good rider, and astana just wanted the second with him, no more. No way risk that.

In fact, some of those riders where in the race but had bad luck. They were able with the behaviour Astana had, but Contador has a name, he is a name that RCS like to win, he is a friend of Vino and Martinelli, it i a name that people respect his status.

With other name maybe astanas behabiur would have been diferent.

But it was crazy and the sumary of the Giro to see the second in GC attacking and contador at third in GC wheel, a if Aru didnt race. And it was crazy to see Astana using his strong man to attack first, when you always keep that man to the second attack.

Landa was so better to Contador than in Finestre could drop Contador in the first attack, and almost fall into pieces the Astana plans to be second with Aru... they needed to stop Landa to avoid that disaster, who was crying.

If Landa finished second and Aru third, Vino and Martinelli kill someone.

Landa is an obedient and polite guy, other way he would have won il Giro.

I see more difficult to win this year, but he will be free and with a good team suporting him, so he just need good luck and we will see.

"Aru is not a good rider" Who won the vuelta a bad rider

Taxus Your post is like listening to confusing jazz

 

[Gigs_98]

I have to admit, Froome fans vs. Contador fans quarrels are quite amusing.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

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Bertie took on a.bonkers Astana team single.handed. He also knew he was riding the tour so its very difficult to judge his level at the giro. He rode to save energy but I think it turned out a lot tougher than he thought it would be. I.doubt any other rider could have defeated Astana the way Bertie did.

More than one or two riders. Aru is not a very good rider, and astana just wanted the second with him, no more. No way risk that.

"Aru is not a good rider" Who won the vuelta a bad rider

Taxus Your post is like listening to confusing jazz

Bolded is pretty good.

And Aru is not a very good rider, Taxus? I often disagree with what you say, but I generally admit your posts display a certain amount of sense. Aru is clearly a very good rider. If I had to pick Aru or Landa in a GT, with the full support of a team, I would pick Aru. Landa has ridden some climbs very well, but time will tell. Aru got 2nd in the Giro and 1st in the Vuelta last year.

I know I'm late to the party, but I say:

2007: Rasmussen
2008: Contador
2009: Contador
2010: Contador
2011: Contador
2012: Froome (would have trashed everyone if he'd been allowed to go alien mode)
2013: Froome
2014: Contador/Nibali (alas, we'll never know)
2015: Landa/Froome/Quintana

 

[Taxus4a]

It is not the good his palmares said, it is obvious is a good rider, but people rate him very hight. Yes, contador beated him clearly in the Giro, but the level of Aru in some stages of the Giro was no very good. In the harest stages of il Giro people as Hesjedal or Kruisjwick were much better.

In la Vuelta he was fresher than others.. but, second was a Purito far of his best shape.

Of coure if someone do second in il Giro and win la Vuelta is a good rier, I needed to explain better, sorry, but he is not that kind of big rider for GC. he is not better than Porte or Tejay, or even Pinot IMO, the big names like Contador Quintana, Froome or Nibali are in other leage now. We will see how he improve, becoue he is young. He has a big determination, never surrender, and that is good for cycling.
Domoulin or chaves were the other fresh riders in la Vuelta. Pur dumoulin the team Aru had and put aru the team Dumoulin had and of coursearu would have won la Vuelta. Landa did a very good job for him at the end of la Vuelta.

 

[Taxus4a]

Lot of people here admit that to ride il Tour after to ride il Giro is a disadvantage...

Well, Aru last year baically race Catalunya to get ready to il Giro, and Poland to be ready for la Vuelta, after il Giro he was more than 2 month without any race, and later just Poland, a go0odpreparation IMo, before la Vuelta.

Well, I understand that to ride Tour and later Vuelta is a big disadvantage respect people as Aru, Dumoulin, etc...

And Quintana and Purito were close to Aru in time, and Aru had a powerfull team to help.

Look at all Purito rode: http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider_palm.asp?riderid=119&year=2015&all=1&current=0

At a high level Tirreno, Pais vasco, Ardenes, dauphine, Tour, San sebastian,.. if you consider that is no important, that way you may consider that contador was the same rested in le Tour that his rivals, and that he losed 10 minutes becouse that is his level.

To be 3rd of le Tour worth more than all Aru season...

 

[Billie]

Can't believe people put Contador as the best climber in 2008. He wasn't. Sella and Ricco were so much better uphill during the Giro. And in the Vuelta he wasn't that great either. Leipheimer constantly dragged him around and then easily beat him during the mtt. In fact if it wasn't for the bonus seconds they would have ultimately finished in the same exact time. Only mountain stage that year he was clearly the strongest was L'Angliru.

Best climber in 2008 was Lelle with the Cobra a close second.

 

[Taxus4a]

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No hypocrisy. Froome is injured and can't perform in the race, Bertie says he is injured next thing he is killing it on massive climbs....Like i've said he's lied most of his career

That's the difference between you and me, I don't say that Froome's lying. Even if he performed, I'd still acknowledge he was injured. Why would I insist to let people know that he was lying when I have no proof at all?

Where I see that AC overcomes a crash and fights to the end, you see him lying about his injury. I guess you thought he was lying about his Tour 14' injury as well because he won the Vuelta ? You probably thought he completely broke his leg when Contador has never stated that lol.

Why would he even lie about his Giro injury? Mystery. He did tests, the doctors said themselves he had a shoulder dislocation. He paid them and told all the staff to lie about it as well?

Who am I even talking to, you're just a hater who doesn't wanna hear anything and doesn't have any logic whatsoever lmao.

Contador shoulder in the Giro was just nothing, or almost nothing, and his knee after Tour was just a question to rest one week. He started to train hard after that week, and he had a week of competition in le Tour. Froome had just 3 days. Of course is meritable the determination Contador prepare that Vuelta after an injury, but he was the best ready at the begining, and he and his people were leying about that, just as strategy. Some people said that is not bad, but I dont like. He alwayss want to surround of epic and difficulties his victories. And I recognize it was meritable that Vuelta, but he lied, he was in a very good shape at the start, becouse he had a week of the Tour on his legs, becouse a week resting is not too much, and becouse he was a month training before la Vuelta.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Can't believe people put Contador as the best climber in 2008. He wasn't. Sella and Ricco were so much better uphill during the Giro. And in the Vuelta he wasn't that great either. Leipheimer constantly dragged him around and then easily beat him during the mtt. In fact if it wasn't for the bonus seconds they would have ultimately finished in the same exact time. Only mountain stage that year he was clearly the strongest was L'Angliru.

Best climber in 2008 was Lelle with the Cobra a close second.

Maybe in term of performance you are right, but for me in those years Contador was the best climber. He took advantage respect other people in that era, but he was in disadvantage with people as Ricco, of course.
Leipheimer was better in performance than him in a Vuelta and in a Tour. He worked for him and he was very close in GC. But I consier contador better rider than leipheimer, but worse rider than Evans, who competed in the wrong era.

I asked Contador about Leipheimer wining the ITT in Palencia in Castilla y Leon and Contador was not very happy about that. I congratulate him, but he looked at me as he should have won that ITT with that wind again an specialist

 

[PremierAndrew]

Thank f##k we don't have to trawl through this in the froome or contador threads any more

 

[Taxus4a]

it is impossible to talk about a rider or riders without talk about his rivals performances.. other way would be impossible to argue.

 

[dacooley]

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I'd agree with that. But AC never performs at his best at the Dauphiné, Froome has shown, especially in 2013, to be almost at 100% at the Dauphiné.

I don't even know why people bring that out in favor of Froome all the time, like... he lost lol. He did well on Finault Emosson and still lost the leader's jersey. Everything was hinting to AC getting better throughout the week as well. Just get over it.

I don't truly know what encouraged you to think you so. maybe you simply don't follow froome so attentively. da dawg stepped forward very impressively both times in the 2013 and 2015 tours compared to the dauphine. he was chilling at valmorel in the dauphine 2013 outsprinting bertie at last 500 meters and beat tejay by 15 sec on mountain stages in 2015. just compare these results to ax 3 domane, ventoux and psm. the difference is quite telling. froome the same like contador always has a significant room for improvement after the dauphine.

 

[cellardoor]

It's been said before, but it's worth repeating. There was a time when Contador had an aura about him that he could turn up at any GT any time and it was a foregone conclusion that he would win. This was especially true in 2008 when he was sub-par in both the Giro and Vuelta and still won. I don't think that even Lance or Indurain really had that aura and Froome definitely doesn't based on his reluctance to ride the Giro and disappointing performances at the Vuelta. I personally think that Froome needs to cast a wider net and try to get at least a Giro win and perhaps a LBL or Lombardia under his belt, all of which are distinctly possible in my view. His view seems to be that the Tour is "too close to call" to risk something like a Giro participation, whereas the likes of Contador, Indurain and even Basso have been more confident in their own ability.