Froome Vs. Contador

[ray j willings]

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it is impossible to talk about a rider or riders without talk about his rivals performances.. other way would be impossible to argue.

"that's Jazz"

 

[ray j willings]

rick james wrote:
"No hypocrisy. Froome is injured and can't perform in the race, Bertie says he is injured next thing he is killing it on massive climbs....Like i've said he's lied most of his career"

Did you spot the great big f%%%ing scar on Berties knee ?
There is a big difference between lies and people who can't read properly.

 

[rick james]

That bad he was back racing in a week...a liar that can't be trusted

 

[dacooley]

i'd wager contador and froome themselves could've had a really good laugh in case they read it, given certain posters' mindsets and arguments.

 

[ray j willings]

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That bad he was back racing in a week...a liar that can't be trusted

No he was not racing in a week . He made it clear it was a hairline fracture- again did you see the big scar.
Show me where he lied, lets put your lies and assumptions to bed .

 

[PremierAndrew]

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it is impossible to talk about a rider or riders without talk about his rivals performances.. other way would be impossible to argue.

Yes you can mention them, but you dont need to b1tch about it

 

[Miburo]

Best moment in cycling in the last 2 years for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgNRGUIuA

I still get peyresourde flashbacks

 

[McLovin]

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Best moment in cycling in the last 2 years for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgNRGUIuA

I still get peyresourde flashbacks

2014 TDF is the new 2006 TDF.

 

[Angliru]

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That bad he was back racing in a week...a liar that can't be trusted

Apparently neither can you be trusted. He wasn't "racing in a week" and you have to be well aware of that fact.
Don't let the hate blind you to the truth and reasonable thought.

 

[Simurgh]

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Best moment in cycling in the last 2 years for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgNRGUIuA

I still get peyresourde flashbacks

It was two men, going full ***! Crazy, but amazing at the same time!

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Best moment in cycling in the last 2 years for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgNRGUIuA

I still get peyresourde flashbacks

Amazing performance by Froome. Wow, I almost forgot about that. Very nice ride by Kelderman as well! Who was the guy in the green jersey? Leipheimer?

 

[Miburo]

The tour of 2014 would have been amazing if froome and contador didn't crash out. Put them both 2 minutes behind nibali cause of the crash.

Oh it would have been beautiful and they were both in great shape too.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Best moment in cycling in the last 2 years for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgNRGUIuA

I still get peyresourde flashbacks

Wow I've already forgotten how great that stage was. Especially Froomes 2nd attack was just crazy. IMO the final of stage 8 in last years Vuelta (dumoulin's win) was still a bit better though.

 

[northernsong]

I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

 

[pedromiguelmartins]

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I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

Contador won more tours than Froome.

 

[BlurryVII]

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I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

Contador won more tours than Froome.

Shitstorm incoming. Haters are inconsistent so they don't agree. They have no problem with guys like Merckx positive three times in his career, Indurain, Pantani and other obvious known *bip bip* keeping all their GTs but not Contador lol. Go figure, oh yeah the UCI said so.

 

[Cannibal72]

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I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

Contador won more tours than Froome.

Shitstorm incoming. Haters are inconsistent so they don't agree. They have no problem with guys like Merckx positive three times in his career, Indurain, Pantani and other obvious known *bip bip* keeping all their GTs but not Contador lol. Go figure, oh yeah the UCI said so.

+1000. Absolutely right; after all, cycling's a subjective sport, a bit like speed skating, where the personal biases and obsessions of the viewer determine who won. It's not like there's any objective record of this, we might as well all decide for ourselves. If only there were, say, records or winners' lists or palmares, it would be a bit simpler, but then I couldn't decide that Merckx actually won 17 tours (in my version of reality, Pra-Loup doesn't exist), and where's the fun in that?

 

[Taxus4a]

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Best moment in cycling in the last 2 years for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgNRGUIuA

I still get peyresourde flashbacks

Contador just could follow his wheel, when was contador who needed to attack, and froome didnt stoped even knowing Contador was at his wheel. That is the impresive of that they.

Both of them where at 80 %. No more becouse Kelderman was at his best and was close. Kelderman could be very good when he is at his best in one week, but obviously he is not Froome or Contador.

 

[BlurryVII]

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+1000. Absolutely right; after all, cycling's a subjective sport, a bit like speed skating, where the personal biases and obsessions of the viewer determine who won. It's not like there's any objective record of this, we might as well all decide for ourselves. If only there were, say, records or winners' lists or palmares, it would be a bit simpler, but then I couldn't decide that Merckx actually won 17 tours (in my version of reality, Pra-Loup doesn't exist), and where's the fun in that?

I just stay consistent and stick to what happens on the road. In a sport like this, using a scapegoat and hounding a cyclist in particular is immediately being hypocrite.

 

[burning]

Re: Re:

Best moment in cycling in the last 2 years for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgNRGUIuA

I still get peyresourde flashbacks

Contador just could follow his wheel, when was contador who needed to attack, and froome didnt stoped even knowing Contador was at his wheel. That is the impresive of that they.

Both of them where at 80 %. No more becouse Kelderman was at his best and was close. Kelderman could be very good when he is at his best in one week, but obviously he is not Froome or Contador.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2vYatCG9ks

Both Contador and Froome were at 90 %.

By the way, I am not serious, I get what you mean.

 

[Cannibal72]

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I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

Contador won more tours than Froome.

Shitstorm incoming. Haters are inconsistent so they don't agree. They have no problem with guys like Merckx positive three times in his career, Indurain, Pantani and other obvious known *bip bip* keeping all their GTs but not Contador lol. Go figure, oh yeah the UCI said so.

+1000. Absolutely right; after all, cycling's a subjective sport, a bit like speed skating, where the personal biases and obsessions of the viewer determine who won. It's not like there's any objective record of this, we might as well all decide for ourselves. If only there were, say, records or winners' lists or palmares, it would be a bit simpler, but then I couldn't decide that Merckx actually won 17 tours (in my version of reality, Pra-Loup doesn't exist), and where's the fun in that?

I just stay consistent and stick to what happens on the road. In a sport like this, using a scapegoat and hounding a cyclist in particular is immediately being hypocrite.

Fair enough, but I can't see how you can hope for consistency when that means that you'd think a rider who tested positive after stage 21 (when they'd won 'on the road') was the winner, but if the same rider (in the lead, that is) had been popped after stage 20 they wouldn't have been. Unless, of course, you think Rasmussen won in 2007, Pantani in 1999, Merckx in 1969?

(Not really for this forum, I guess. Sorry.)

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: Re:

Best moment in cycling in the last 2 years for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgNRGUIuA

I still get peyresourde flashbacks

Contador just could follow his wheel, when was contador who needed to attack, and froome didnt stoped even knowing Contador was at his wheel. That is the impresive of that they.

Both of them where at 80 %. No more becouse Kelderman was at his best and was close. Kelderman could be very good when he is at his best in one week, but obviously he is not Froome or Contador.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2vYatCG9ks

Both Contador and Froome were at 90 %.

By the way, I am not serious, I get what you mean.

80-90, they werent at his best, what I mean is that thay were at the same shape, no way Froome was at his best

 

[Jspear]

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Fair enough, but I can't see how you can hope for consistency when that means that you'd think a rider who tested positive after stage 21 (when they'd won 'on the road') was the winner, but if the same rider (in the lead, that is) had been popped after stage 20 they wouldn't have been. Unless, of course, you think Rasmussen won in 2007, Pantani in 1999, Merckx in 1969?

(Not really for this forum, I guess. Sorry.)

If Rasmussen had finished the 2007 Tour in yellow then he would be the winner of that Tour.

 

[Angliru]

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I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

Excellent first post! Welcome to the forum.

 

[BlurryVII]

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Fair enough, but I can't see how you can hope for consistency when that means that you'd think a rider who tested positive after stage 21 (when they'd won 'on the road') was the winner, but if the same rider (in the lead, that is) had been popped after stage 20 they wouldn't have been. Unless, of course, you think Rasmussen won in 2007, Pantani in 1999, Merckx in 1969?

(Not really for this forum, I guess. Sorry.)

For me sticking to what happens on the road includes at least finishing the race no matter what. Pantani Giro 99' would be the extreme example that would be really unfair but that's how it is.
However for Rassmussen 07', there was still 4 stages to go, and a long flat TT.