Froome's Acceleration on the Bike ??

[Benotti69]

there's a core of people who've helped tackling armstrong who are now busy trying to pull whool over the fans' eyes and sell the cleanER mantra. From marginal gains to tailwind to zero tolerance.
Major BS statements such as jv's are clearcut evidence that the fans are still being lied to at every opportunity.

My hopes are on Johan to expose the hypocricy of new age cycling.

I dont have much hope for the sport to grab this opportunity to once and for all change the culture. Too many in the sport know only the culture of doping, believe in it and live by it.

e.g. Di Luca, i think the only reason he got caught was that he was targetted and why because he pi$$ed off RCS on that Milan stage a few years back in the Giro. But he is an example of a guy who only knows that cycling means doping. So many Di Luca's in the sport, running it, enabling doping......

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

I'd like to know who's been moderating this thread.

My posts have been deleted, with no explanation as to why.

If it's due to my use of the word "genius", perhaps you should worry less about the delicate sensibilities of certain posters/complainers, and actually confront me with what your issues are and how I have sullied the unimpeachable Clinic.

If Benson can use the auspices of a banal "exclusive" interview to drop F_bombs (uncensored) on front page articles, I'm sure the odd "genius" comment can be sloughed off.

Discuss. Don't silently dictate...

 

[horsinabout]

I'd like to know who's been moderating this thread.

My posts have been deleted, with no explanation as to why.

If it's due to my use of the word "genius", perhaps you should worry less about the delicate sensibilities of certain posters/complainers, and actually confront me with what your issues are and how I have sullied the unimpeachable Clinic.

If Benson can use the auspices of a banal "exclusive" interview to drop F_bombs (uncensored) on front page articles, I'm sure the odd "genius" comment can be sloughed off.

Discuss. Don't silently dictate...

As a fellow "post deleted under spurious conditions" poster, one needs to study "The Big Rules", if you do you will observe that top of the list - first bullet point is as follows....No to

Using racist, sexist, homophobic or hateful language.

Now to break it down into manageable pieces, I would say that an example of racist would be the N word. Sexist the B word ending in ch. Homophobic the B word ending in T and Hateful language could qualify as the R word ending in D.

However, none of my posts were deleted for any of the above. But merely for a post innocently misunderstood as a failed attempt at humour.

Never mind, back to the drawing board. Lets see how long this post last

 

[ebandit]

***

My posts have been deleted, with no explanation as to why.

If it's due to my use of the word "genius", perhaps you should worry less about the delicate sensibilities of certain posters/complainers, and actually confront me with what your issues are and how I have sullied the unimpeachable Clinic.

Discuss. Don't silently dictate...

topic is acceleration not retardation................do you feel that chris will be showing less rapid acceleration next year

it's that surprising burst of speed that is difficult to fathom

Mark L

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

As a fellow "post deleted under spurious conditions" poster, one needs to study "The Big Rules", if you do you will observe that top of the list - first bullet point is as follows....No to

Using racist, sexist, homophobic or hateful language.

Now to break it down into manageable pieces, I would say that an example of racist would be the N word. Sexist the B word ending in ch. Homophobic the B word ending in T and Hateful language could qualify as the R word ending in D.

However, none of my posts were deleted for any of the above. But merely for a post innocently misunderstood as a failed attempt at humour.

Never mind, back to the drawing board. Lets see how long this post last

I have, indeed, read the Big List of rules...

I admit, I do use the word "genius" freely. Certainly not in the context of an individual suffering from cognitive or intellectual impairment, but solely as a term used to refer to one who is promulgating an idea that falls far below what THEIR intellectual capabilities should be able to come up with.

A brilliant man, such as Kerrison undoubtedly is, should be able to see that accelerating in the saddle, while it may bear aerodynamic benefits, limits myriad dynamic kinesiological factors that benefit the application of power on a bike.

His statement is ***.

If one finds 'genius' hateful, then we must include 'idiot', 'idiotic', 'idiocy', etc etc. "Idiot", not that long ago, was used as a blanket term to refer to those with a developmental/cognitive impairment. It may have been 'hateful' in the past, but it seems to have lost its gravitas in terms of its use today.

If I was referencing an individual with a developmental disorder when using the word 'genius', I would agree that that is hateful. I did not do that.

If individuals find a word, on its own and without context, 'hateful' then I feel that the issue is with their interpretation, not my socially and culturally normalized use of the word.

 

[del1962]

I have, indeed, read the Big List of rules...

I admit, I do use the word "genius" freely. Certainly not in the context of an individual suffering from cognitive or intellectual impairment, but solely as a term used to refer to one who is promulgating an idea that falls far below what THEIR intellectual capabilities should be able to come up with.

A brilliant man, such as Kerrison undoubtedly is, should be able to see that accelerating in the saddle, while it may bear aerodynamic benefits, limits myriad dynamic kinesiological factors that benefit the application of power on a bike.

His statement is ***.

If one finds 'genius' hateful, then we must include 'idiot', 'idiotic', 'idiocy', etc etc. "Idiot", not that long ago, was used as a blanket term to refer to those with a developmental/cognitive impairment. It may have been 'hateful' in the past, but it seems to have lost its gravitas in terms of its use today.

If I was referencing an individual with a developmental disorder when using the word 'genius', I would agree that that is hateful. I did not do that.

If individuals find a word, on its own and without context, 'hateful' then I feel that the issue is with their interpretation, not my socially and culturally normalized use of the word.

You sound like a doper who is caught malking excuses

 

[The Hitch]

My hopes are on Johan to expose the hypocricy of new age cycling.

I don't understand how anyone could pin any hopes on Johan Brunyeel. I would never look to someone like that to be an ally, not even one of convenience. Absolutely nothing I have ever seen from Brunyeel, even during the year since Armstrong fell, suggests he will be honest or do anything but look for cheap escape like the rat that he is.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

You sound like a doper who is caught malking excuses

The fact that you equate my brief explanation of my choice of vocabulary with a doper making excuses is ludicrous. It in fact, may be ***...

Unfortunately, you sound like someone who had to run to a Mod to get my posts eliminated rather than someone who would be interested in expressing their point of view in an intelligent manner.

 

[the sceptic]

You sound like a doper who is caught malking excuses

You sound like a troll that has never made a smart post

 

[Taxus4a]

there's a core of people who've helped tackling armstrong who are now busy trying to pull whool over the fans' eyes and sell the cleanER mantra. From marginal gains to tailwind to zero tolerance.
Major BS statements such as jv's are clearcut evidence that the fans are still being lied to at every opportunity.

My hopes are on Johan to expose the hypocricy of new age cycling.

And if nobody do that becouse there is not hypocricy? What will you do?

The evidence is that today any race could be won without doping, and that al least SKy is clean.

If you dont believe, it is your choice, but dont say there is no another explanation, becouse is false.

Others before Johan had the oportunity to say that now everything is the same, but they praised the current cycling. Anybody could do it, but there is not any evidence as there was in Lance times.

If you want to see dark things, you will find them always, on every aspect of life, and of course in cycling becouse the actors of the doping and no doping are in many cases the same people, I wont be surprised for any links you want to do in the future about cycling and doping, but it is your choice, not reality.

 

[thehog]

I have, indeed, read the Big List of rules...

I admit, I do use the word "genius" freely. Certainly not in the context of an individual suffering from cognitive or intellectual impairment, but solely as a term used to refer to one who is promulgating an idea that falls far below what THEIR intellectual capabilities should be able to come up with.

A brilliant man, such as Kerrison undoubtedly is, should be able to see that accelerating in the saddle, while it may bear aerodynamic benefits, limits myriad dynamic kinesiological factors that benefit the application of power on a bike.

His statement is ***.

If one finds 'genius' hateful, then we must include 'idiot', 'idiotic', 'idiocy', etc etc. "Idiot", not that long ago, was used as a blanket term to refer to those with a developmental/cognitive impairment. It may have been 'hateful' in the past, but it seems to have lost its gravitas in terms of its use today.

If I was referencing an individual with a developmental disorder when using the word 'genius', I would agree that that is hateful. I did not do that.

If individuals find a word, on its own and without context, 'hateful' then I feel that the issue is with their interpretation, not my socially and culturally normalized use of the word.

Good posts.

Full genius comes from the movie Tropic Thunder. "Never go full genius" was the catch all for this forum for Dawgs prior the Tour. He was briefed by the Clinics not to go full retards.

But Froome couldn't help himself. He went full retards.

I don't associate with anything but the Dawgs going absolutely bannanas and doing way too much CO.

Keep up the good posts.

 

[sniper]

I don't understand how anyone could pin any hopes on Johan Brunyeel. I would never look to someone like that to be an ally, not even one of convenience. Absolutely nothing I have ever seen from Brunyeel, even during the year since Armstrong fell, suggests he will be honest or do anything but look for cheap escape like the rat that he is.

Let me just say that if he exposes anything or anybody garmin-related, i will be very inclined to take his word on it.

 

[The Hitch]

Let me just say that if he exposes anything or anybody garmin-related, i will be very inclined to take his word on it.

What is Johann Brunyeel going to have on Garmin?

If he did have something, why would he wait? The way Hog handled the Armstrong comeback really doesn't suggest to me he is some chessmaster who would patiently bide his time if he had evidence against someone he hates.

And how can you say you will take a proven pathological liar's word on something without even knowing what it would be, the circumstances and if he even has evidence?

 

[thehog]

I have, indeed, read the Big List of rules...

I admit, I do use the word "genius" freely. Certainly not in the context of an individual suffering from cognitive or intellectual impairment, but solely as a term used to refer to one who is promulgating an idea that falls far below what THEIR intellectual capabilities should be able to come up with.

A brilliant man, such as Kerrison undoubtedly is, should be able to see that accelerating in the saddle, while it may bear aerodynamic benefits, limits myriad dynamic kinesiological factors that benefit the application of power on a bike.

His statement is ***.

If one finds 'genius' hateful, then we must include 'idiot', 'idiotic', 'idiocy', etc etc. "Idiot", not that long ago, was used as a blanket term to refer to those with a developmental/cognitive impairment. It may have been 'hateful' in the past, but it seems to have lost its gravitas in terms of its use today.

If I was referencing an individual with a developmental disorder when using the word 'genius', I would agree that that is hateful. I did not do that.

If individuals find a word, on its own and without context, 'hateful' then I feel that the issue is with their interpretation, not my socially and culturally normalized use of the word.

Apologies.

Yes Kerrison is a halfwit for coming up with this utter ***. But appears having no problems with lying.

 

[sniper]

What is Johann Brunyeel going to have on Garmin?

If he did have something, why would he wait? The way Hog handled the Armstrong comeback really doesn't suggest to me he is some chessmaster who would patiently bide his time if he had evidence against someone he hates.

And how can you say you will take a proven pathological liar's word on something without even knowing what it would be, the circumstances and if he even has evidence?

Didnt he hint somewhere that he had something on garmin?
I dunno what he might have.
There is Lim, Hesjedal, Brajkovic who worked with san millan, and other possible links.
but of course he might not have anything or decide not to spill beans.
and i agree of course that if he decides to spill beans, we should carefully weigh those beans.

 

[sittingbison]

JMBeaushrimp et al You might find the Kerrison "***" post was not deleted for the "***" comment per se, rather it and half a dozen others might have collectively been deleted for going taking the convo off topic, in an attempt by the mod to bring the discussion back ON track.

In other breaking news, you have all had your little bit of fun with the Gollum "s" gentle(wo)men, but its at the expense of another member whose English is probably not even the second language, in fact I would almost hazard a guess its googlish.

So please, enough.

cheers
bison

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

JMBeaushrimp et al You might find the Kerrison "***" post was not deleted for the "***" comment per se, rather it and half a dozen others might have collectively been deleted for going taking the convo off topic, in an attempt by the mod to bring the discussion back ON track.

In other breaking news, you have all had your little bit of fun with the Gollum "s" gentle(wo)men, but its at the expense of another member whose English is probably not even the second language, in fact I would almost hazard a guess its gogglish.

So please, enough.

cheers
bison

Fair enough...

As to the bold: I'm certainly not taking the p*ss with Taxus in regards to the S. I think it's brilliant, and hilarious, but certainly not at his/her expense.

Taxus should be stoked - they just created their own meme...

 

[42x16ss]

I don't understand how anyone could pin any hopes on Johan Brunyeel. I would never look to someone like that to be an ally, not even one of convenience. Absolutely nothing I have ever seen from Brunyeel, even during the year since Armstrong fell, suggests he will be honest or do anything but look for cheap escape like the rat that he is.

Bruyneel is total utter slime, on that we can all agree but if his attempt to "escape like the rat he is" involves going thermonuclear and dishing up everything he has, on everyone - Hein, Pat, Weisel, ASO, USAC, Ferrari, etc - then I know I'd like to hear every word of it. It would be worse than Tyler, Landis and Chicken combined.

I wouldn't take it all at face value but the reactions from the cheap seats will be priceless and a few cans of worms would be opened.

 

[timmers]

Bruyneel is total utter slime, on that we can all agree but if his attempt to "escape like the rat he is" involves going thermonuclear and dishing up everything he has, on everyone - Hein, Pat, Weisel, ASO, USAC, Ferrari, etc - then I know I'd like to hear every word of it. It would be worse than Tyler, Landis and Chicken combined.

I wouldn't take it all at face value but the reactions from the cheap seats will be priceless and a few cans of worms would be opened.

You must live in a different world to my friends in Perth. Why is Bruyneel going to change his mantra? What does he know? They doped, Verbruggen gave them a green card but time has moved on. If Armstrong is to be believed they were conservative so why wouldn't Bruyneel have become ultra-conservative after 2006.

Doping would have become the riders responsibility but he is never going to say that!!

 

[sittingbison]

...I'm certainly not taking the p*ss with Taxus in regards to the S. I think it's brilliant, and hilarious, but certainly not at his/her expense.

Taxus should be stoked - they just created their own meme...

I respectfully disagree.

Please desist. This goes for everyone, especially the Usual Suspects.

Cheers
Bison

 

[sniper]

Bruyneel is total utter slime, on that we can all agree but if his attempt to "escape like the rat he is" involves going thermonuclear and dishing up everything he has, on everyone - Hein, Pat, Weisel, ASO, USAC, Ferrari, etc - then I know I'd like to hear every word of it. It would be worse than Tyler, Landis and Chicken combined.

I wouldn't take it all at face value but the reactions from the cheap seats will be priceless and a few cans of worms would be opened.

+1
10 chars.

 

[sniper]

You must live in a different world to my friends in Perth. Why is Bruyneel going to change his mantra? What does he know? They doped, Verbruggen gave them a green card but time has moved on. If Armstrong is to be believed they were conservative so why wouldn't Bruyneel have become ultra-conservative after 2006.

Doping would have become the riders responsibility but he is never going to say that!!

42x16 is just saying "if".

 

[horsinabout]

I have, indeed, read the Big List of rules...


A brilliant man, such as Kerrison undoubtedly is, should be able to see that accelerating in the saddle, while it may bear aerodynamic benefits, limits myriad dynamic kinesiological factors that benefit the application of power on a bike.

His statement is ***.


If individuals find a word, on its own and without context, 'hateful' then I feel that the issue is with their interpretation, not my socially and culturally normalized use of the word.

Do you recall the quick witted Australian journalist who in a press conference at the Tour popped Froome the question "do you do specialist leg speed training"? No came the reply from Froome, "not at all". Obviously unaware that Kerrision had written an article to the contrary.

OK I have said my view on this, and I believe in the use of bike technology as being the real reason for "Froomes acceleration" in the saddle.

I have had discussions with other cyclists who have said the bike motor thing was all a hoax. May be so in part, but hasn't cycling advances always gone hand in hand with a} doping the human body and b) bike technology advancements.

 

[martinvickers]

Bruyneel is total utter slime, on that we can all agree but if his attempt to "escape like the rat he is" involves going thermonuclear and dishing up everything he has, on everyone - Hein, Pat, Weisel, ASO, USAC, Ferrari, etc - then I know I'd like to hear every word of it. It would be worse than Tyler, Landis and Chicken combined.

I wouldn't take it all at face value but the reactions from the cheap seats will be priceless and a few cans of worms would be opened.

My only problem is that Bruyneel seems uniquely nasty and untrustworthy - worse than Riis, worse even than armstrong himself. I simply wouldn't be able to trust a word he said without further evidence. Rasmussen, even ricco, have a sort of 'couldn't give a d***" quality that means some of what they say rings plausible - Bruyneel would happily lie through his teeth just to 'get' an enemy - i full expect a near head-on attempt at destroying Garmin, for starters. the same man will happily keep Omerta for his friends. I'd be surprised if he screws Hein.

We'll see. I just want the b****** gone. For good.

 

[DirtyWorks]

OK I have said my view on this, and I believe in the use of bike technology as being the real reason for "Froomes acceleration" in the saddle.

In one way, Sky's much smarter than that though. IMHO, they've got the UCI and ASO making them wildly successful for the better part of 6 months every year ignoring doping. ASO/UCI have a Grand Departe in 2013 and a WorldTour race in 2015. Dividends! They don't need to obviously break the rules so much.

In another way, if the wife of a rider is vetting team doctors along with all the other Sky-scientific-decisions discussed here, then it's as low-end as the cycling entertainment business has always been. http://veloclinic.tumblr.com/post/66369561144/franmillar-digger-forum-we-did-we-found