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DNP-Old said:While I'm at it: Richard Carapaz.
I don't really think he'll ever win a GT, I'm just a big fan of his. Egan Bernal however is almost a certainty to win one.Valv.Piti said:DNP-Old said:While I'm at it: Richard Carapaz.
Hmm.. he is already 23. What makes you think he will improve so much?
DNP-Old said:I don't really think he'll ever win a GT, I'm just a big fan of his. Egan Bernal however is almost a certainty to win one.Valv.Piti said:DNP-Old said:While I'm at it: Richard Carapaz.
Hmm.. he is already 23. What makes you think he will improve so much?
Bernal's potential is through the roof. A rider who gets the results he does in their first ever season on the road has the potential to be a future legend.Arredondo said:DNP-Old said:I don't really think he'll ever win a GT, I'm just a big fan of his. Egan Bernal however is almost a certainty to win one.Valv.Piti said:DNP-Old said:While I'm at it: Richard Carapaz.
Hmm.. he is already 23. What makes you think he will improve so much?
Purito never won a GT. And Bernal is even worse as a TT'er. And he still has to show he can dominate the climbs in a Giro/Vuelta.
I hope he can win too, but way too early and uncertain he can actually win one.
Like the new Dutch Armstrong Robert Gesink? That's history in every possible way, pal. Still can happen to both Bernal and Lopez!DNP-Old said:Bernal's potential is through the roof. A rider who gets the results he does in their first ever season on the road has the potential to be a future legend.Arredondo said:DNP-Old said:I don't really think he'll ever win a GT, I'm just a big fan of his. Egan Bernal however is almost a certainty to win one.Valv.Piti said:DNP-Old said:While I'm at it: Richard Carapaz.
Hmm.. he is already 23. What makes you think he will improve so much?
Purito never won a GT. And Bernal is even worse as a TT'er. And he still has to show he can dominate the climbs in a Giro/Vuelta.
I hope he can win too, but way too early and uncertain he can actually win one.
DNP-Old said:I don't get the comparison with Rodriguez either. He didn't not win GT's because of his lack of CRI skills, he didn't win them because he lacked a brain. Fuente Dé, Giro 2012, e.g.
I think Bernal has the talent to overcome a not properly working brain. What he has shown in Trentino and Coppi e Bartali was insane, considering his background. I don't like the would/could/should game, but he already could have won Coppi e Bartali if he didn't crash on bad roads.Arredondo said:DNP-Old said:I don't get the comparison with Rodriguez either. He didn't not win GT's because of his lack of CRI skills, he didn't win them because he lacked a brain. Fuente Dé, Giro 2012, e.g.
You don't know if Bernal is not lacking brains either. Purito also won races in his career thanks to good tactics.
If that's the way of thinking, you can shoot down every prediction in this thread. Because hey, it could always happen.[/quote]DNP-Old said:[quote="["staubsauger":39at8hqv]
Like the new Dutch Armstrong Robert Gesink? That's history in every possible way, pal. Still can happen to both Bernal and Lopez!
Quintana didn't drop out last year, he was out of shape and had a bad day. Froome wasn't going that well before he crashed uphill, and then withdrew. I don't think he had the shape to win last year. Porte is now too old to win a GT, unless if he's lucky.Singer01 said:Why only one Yates?
it will be very difficult for anybody to win a GT over the next 2-3 years, the big 4 have won 11 of the last 12, and it would have probably been all 12 if Froome and Quintana hadn't dropped out of the Vuelta last year. Therefore although i think if all the stars align Richie Porte is talent wise the best of the rest, i really can't see him winning a GT.
If Landa can get his Giro legs back he will win a GT.
quite right, i was getting mixed up with 2014.Brullnux said:Singer01 said:Why only one Yates?
it will be very difficult for anybody to win a GT over the next 2-3 years, the big 4 have won 11 of the last 12, and it would have probably been all 12 if Froome and Quintana hadn't dropped out of the Vuelta last year. Therefore although i think if all the stars align Richie Porte is talent wise the best of the rest, i really can't see him winning a GT.
If Landa can get his Giro legs back he will win a GT.
Quintana didn't drop out last year, he was out of shape and had a bad day. Froome wasn't going that well before he crashed uphill, and then withdrew. I don't think he had the shape to win last year. Porte is now too old to win a GT, unless if he's lucky.
Red Rick said:I think it would be nice to make a list of all active riders holding a GT title, and to list all active GC riders by year with say, a top 5 in a GT. That might show us how much we should expect from the 23-24 year old crowd to make it. I may get the idea that we're consistently overexpecting from that crowd.
Netserk said:To get some perspective, here's a list of the most recent first-time GT winners:
[Aru - Vuelta '15, red.]
Quintana - Giro '14
Horner - Vuelta '13
Froome - Tour '13
Wiggins - Tour '12
Hesjedal - Giro '12
Cobo - Vuelta '11
Evans - Tour '11
Nibali - Vuelta '10
Valverde - Vuelta '09
Sastre - Tour '08
Menchov - Vuelta '07
Contador - Tour '07
Di Luca - Giro '07
Vino - Vuelta '06
Landis - Tour '06
Basso - Giro '06
So with time I think several of today's (young) contenders will take the final step and win one of the big ones.