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G.I. JOEEEEEE! [Tsunami of USADA cases against cyclists]

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As they used to say on the Saturday morning merchandising vehicle G.I. Joe - "GOOOOO JOE!"

Anti-doping authorities have lodged cases against as many as two-dozen domestic racers, sources tell VeloNews.

The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency will announce the findings in the coming weeks, the sources said.

The alleged violations are primarily for possession of performance enhancing drugs, rather than for positive urine or blood samples, and are said to have originated with information provided to USADA and federal investigators by former pro cyclist Joe Papp.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2010...gainst-up-to-two-dozen-domestic-racers_140460

Real change, brought to you by a real doper. Eat it, Omerta lovers.
 

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Next poster gets to continue this list. I'll start with one that matters:

Little Levi

(Bad form to reply to my own thread? Flame away!)

EDIT: Seems that this may be "domestic-only" racers. I should at least read what I link.
 
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Frankly, I can't wait to see the list of non-professional cheaters, particularly masters cyclists.

PED use among has-been's and never-has-been's is pathetic on a monumental level.

EDIT: Go Joe Papp. I guess Sayers can just eat it.
 
I love the comments on the bottom of the story: “Wow, holy cap! Media that never ever cover any cycling events will love this dopers going down drama. Trying to find sponsors for Tour of California and Colorado will be tough. We should focus on building bike lanes and paths and forget about racing?” – Yes it’s the media who are doing this. It’s not the riders.

It’s also a point to support the argument that the likes of Armstrong using PED’s sets up the networks and allows lesser riders like in this case get their hands on the product. Go on the USADA. About time.
 
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Nice to see a bunch of fat masters get it. Thought they could buy speed in more ways then just just a new set of wheels

Zajicek, Mancebo, Seville, Rock, FlyV....Longo?
 
Race Radio said:
Nice to see a bunch of fat masters get it. Thought they could buy speed in more ways then just just a new set of wheels

Zajicek, Mancebo, Seville, Rock, FlyV....Longo?

Bummer, used to race against Zajicek in the kiddy races. Always looked to see how he was doing. Never struck me as one that really stood out with crazy good performances...thought he may be doing it clean. Meh, I'll wait to see what comes of the investigation...
 
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Willy_Voet said:
Bummer, used to race against Zajicek in the kiddy races. Always looked to see how he was doing. Never struck me as one that really stood out with crazy good performances...thought he may be doing it clean. Meh, I'll wait to see what comes of the investigation...

He has already tested positive once. Don't know if he is on Joe's list but it would not surprise me.
 
Scott SoCal said:
Frankly, I can't wait to see the list of non-professional cheaters, particularly masters cyclists.

PED use among has-been's and never-has-been's is pathetic on a monumental level.

Bravo!!! Excellent post!!!

Every try listening to the apologists' litany of reasons why master's races are so hard?

1) Many used to be great Cat I riders in their youth.

2) They have disposable income for better equipment, personal trainers, and can afford to really hone their diet.

3) Yuppies are just hyper-competitive Type-A personalities who can transfer their success in the boardroom to success in athletics.

What I love are those fountain-of-youth renaissance stories where a guy in his late 30's-early 40's discovers cycling and from one year to the next loses weight and gains tremendous amounts of strength seemingly overnight, then arrogantly and self-righteously goes around telling people that it's because he works hard.

Yes, I too would be able to ride 200 miles a week, work a 60-hour a week job and maintain a family if I was jacked to the gills on 'roids every waking moment of my life.
 
I used to tell people that there were large numbers of US riders who were jacked (elite level...I've yet to dip my toes into the tainted waters of Masters racing). People rolled their eyes, said "no, I know that guy, he's clean", crap like that. You could pick them out a mile away. I can pick out dopers now. One guy I know was a fairly useless Cat 3...he wins races as a Cat 1 now. That transformation took him one winter. Funny enough, he was a full time Cat 3, then he got a job and all of a sudden he was crushing. Hmmm.

Saturn, Navigators, Jelly Belly etc etc...they all had riders who doped. No, I don't believe they all did (though Navigators I would say was full of 'em) but enough to make a lot of riders lose hope, riders with a lot more talent than me.

I hadn't thought much about this in quite a while, but this story got me riled up. Maybe they'll be some measure of karma dished out...that would be nice.

btw...if Joe Papp is reading this. You were one of those monkeys...not often, but a few times. I applaud what you're doing now. I feel some vindication. Man you were an angry little man sometimes though...
 
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The rest of the story

Race Radio said:
He has already tested positive once. Don't know if he is on Joe's list but it would not surprise me.

Actually, I think Phil tested positive after the Tour of Quinghai(?) when he took a legal decongestant (not on the banned list) which metabolises in the body into an illegal substance that was detected in a test. He took it to counter problems with the air pollution in China, thinking (correctly) he was taking an approved substance. there was a nonsensical disconnect in the rules, and judgement was not applied. I think he rolled over and accepted a suspension and forfeited the Tour win just to get it over with and get on with his career. That is one that looks to me like a screwup on the anti doping agency's part, where the athlete took it on the chin for something that makes no sense, because no-one had the nads to cut him some slack for fear of being called soft on doping. Kind of like when JV withdrew from the TdF beacuse he wasn't allowed to take shot of cortisone for a bee sting. Makes no sense.

Is that what you're talking about when you blithely say "tested positive once?"

Whether he shows up on "Joe's list" is an entirely seperate issue, but until he does I don't consider Zajicek a proven doper, but a victim of a shoddily run anit-doping program.
 
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I love the comments on the bottom of the story: “Wow, holy cap! Media that never ever cover any cycling events will love this dopers going down drama. Trying to find sponsors for Tour of California and Colorado will be tough. We should focus on building bike lanes and paths and forget about racing?” – Yes it’s the media who are doing this. It’s not the riders.

It’s also a point to support the argument that the likes of Armstrong using PED’s sets up the networks and allows lesser riders like in this case get their hands on the product. Go on the USADA. About time.
Although one poster is right in saying that one can not simultaneosly be a snake and a weasel (this excludes mythological creatures).

on topic, it will be interesting to see if they drop the whole list at once or if it would be a slow trickle and some guys continue racing until their "individual case is resolved".
 
Scott SoCal said:
Frankly, I can't wait to see the list of non-professional cheaters, particularly masters cyclists.

PED use among has-been's and never-has-been's is pathetic on a monumental level.

EDIT: Go Joe Papp. I guess Sayers can just eat it.

word. i am a skinny climber type, and it used to "amaze" me that some sprinter
type was keeping up with us in the most unusual places. i never had money or desire to use that stuff and wondered why in masters racing it wasn't about
being a good athlete, but being "a winner". pathetic.:mad:
 
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Rupert said:
Actually, I think Phil tested positive after the Tour of Quinghai(?) when he took a legal decongestant

Yup....the same stuff as Levi tested positive for.

If you read the Article you will see that Joe essentially says that one of these guys is a customer

Levi Leipheimer
Francisco Mancebo
Ian Boswell
Darren Lill
Phil Zajicek.

Mancebo is not a US rider, Levi has other suppliers, I hope Ian is too young. That leaves Darren and Phil. I do not think Darren was in the country when Joe had his business.

I hope I am wrong.
 
I'm very interested to see how many of my local competitors are on this list. I am not a Master but I have heard Masters riders pi$$ing and moaning to each other about guys in their bunch that they think are on the gear while on training rides fairly often.
 
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Saturn, Navigators, Jelly Belly etc etc...they all had riders who doped. No, I don't believe they all did (though Navigators I would say was full of 'em) but enough to make a lot of riders lose hope, riders with a lot more talent than me.



Not all of the navigators. I am 100% certain.
 
steevo said:
Saturn, Navigators, Jelly Belly etc etc...they all had riders who doped. No, I don't believe they all did (though Navigators I would say was full of 'em) but enough to make a lot of riders lose hope, riders with a lot more talent than me.



Not all of the navigators. I am 100% certain.

You're right, there may have been one or two. I think they were the worst offenders though. Hell, I know they were.
 
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You're right, there may have been one or two. I think they were the worst offenders though. Hell, I know they were.

Decanio used to call them the Nandogators, I always thought that was brilliant.
 
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The whole thing is just so sordid. Of course those who were cheating have no right to expect they'll get away with it in the end or anything and i'm glad they will be punished, but...the concept of them being found out only because some other guy was dumb enough to get caught and then to save his own *** started singing...that's just, not cool. I've always been a fan of leaving the policing to the police, so to speak, with everybody not a cop just staying the F*&# out of it. It just upsets the balance of power when crooks start helping.
 
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stephens said:
The whole thing is just so sordid. Of course those who were cheating have no right to expect they'll get away with it in the end or anything and i'm glad they will be punished, but...the concept of them being found out only because some other guy was dumb enough to get caught and then to save his own *** started singing...that's just, not cool. I've always been a fan of leaving the policing to the police, so to speak, with everybody not a cop just staying the F*&# out of it. It just upsets the balance of power when crooks start helping.

The "police" are pretty much the UCI (for the pros), and they're more interested in the sport having the appearance of being clean than in identifying cheaters. I'm not sure of a case where "the balance of power" between those fighting crime and those breaking the law is a good thing.

These guys would have obviously not been caught if it wasn't for this evidence. Maybe the cheaters will also give information that will help clean up the sport. Everyone that gets popped is one small step closer to a clean sport.