GB Track Team

[the big ring]

B*llocks.

In the scratch race, a bunch went off the front containing some of the main contenders, but not Clancy and Hansen. Hansen and Clancy set off in pursuit. Clancy gave up after a few laps, whilst Hansen carried on and took a lap off the field on his own. Nothing to do with tactics - Clancy simply didn't have the legs, whereas Hansen did.

Hansen also had a fall and laps out, which Clancy didn't.

ETA: I didn't see the race, but if Clancy helped Hansen by doing turns then pulled out, that is nowhere near the same as Hansen taking the lap solo. Did Clancy sit on Hansen the whole time?

 

[mb2612]

B*llocks.

In the scratch race, a bunch went off the front containing some of the main contenders, but not Clancy and Hansen. Hansen and Clancy set off in pursuit. Clancy gave up after a few laps, whilst Hansen carried on and took a lap off the field on his own. Nothing to do with tactics - Clancy simply didn't have the legs, whereas Hansen did.

Clancy went off after, and the bunch would let one man go, but chased Clancy down. Then sat up for Hansen, who had just had a couple of lap rest.

In the elimination, Clancy raced stupid, and in the points he never tried to get a lap, and didn't do any chasing either. His tactics were bad, but given he had the sprint at the end of both the Scratch and the points, I don't think it's fair to say he didn't have the legs.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Camera work wasn't helpful, but Clancy and Hansen appeared to work together for a couple of laps, but then Clancy gave up. Hansen basically took 2/3 of a lap on his own.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Clancy went off after, and the bunch would let one man go, but chased Clancy down. Then sat up for Hansen, who had just had a couple of lap rest.

In the elimination, Clancy raced stupid, and in the points he never tried to get a lap, and didn't do any chasing either. His tactics were bad, but given he had the sprint at the end of both the Scratch and the points, I don't think it's fair to say he didn't have the legs.

I think we were watching different races. Clancy clearly did not have the legs.
I thought he did well in the elimination. He slipstreamed where possible and then sprinted. It was was obvious the longer it went on the worse his legs were until he just gave up.
He ended up with sprints at the end but he had already lost lap(s).

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

His [Clancy's] tactics were bad, but given he had the sprint at the end of both the Scratch and the points, I don't think it's fair to say he didn't have the legs.

There's a massive difference between being able to throw in a sprint (anaerobic) at the end of a race when you're naturally gifted as a sprinter and being able to "dish it out" continuously during an endurance event (substantially aerobic).

It's curious you're getting so worked up about the guy who came third it must be said.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Clancy went off after, and the bunch would let one man go, but chased Clancy down. Then sat up for Hansen, who had just had a couple of lap rest.

In the elimination, Clancy raced stupid, and in the points he never tried to get a lap, and didn't do any chasing either. His tactics were bad, but given he had the sprint at the end of both the Scratch and the points, I don't think it's fair to say he didn't have the legs.

I thought his Devil ride was very gutsy, sprinting again and again and finishing as high as his legs would let him. When he was eliminated he had sat up and was well behind the peloton. He very. very obviously blew and I wonder how you couldn't see that

 

[mb2612]

I think we were watching different races. Clancy clearly did not have the legs.
I thought he did well in the elimination. He slipstreamed where possible and then sprinted. It was was obvious the longer it went on the worse his legs were until he just gave up.
He ended up with sprints at the end but he had already lost lap(s).

He had a good result in the elimination, but he wasted so much energy sprinting each lap. Viviani and Coquard just sat at the front, allowing them to save energy, had Clancy done that I think he could have done better.

ETA: It was clearly a gutsy ride, and he was dead at the end, but that doesn't mean it was tactically any good, if you keep sprinting you are obviously going to run out of legs having to pass athletes who have saved energy.

For the Scratch, I didn't see him with Hansen at any point, I thought he was solo behind, then got pulled back.

 

[JimmyFingers]

It's curious you're getting so worked up about the guy who came third it must be said.

Illuminating remark: he got bronze and looked very fallible in the Omnium, lacking endurance and recovery, yet the discussion is about the bronze medalist.

 

[JimmyFingers]

For the Scratch, I didn't see him with Hansen at any point, I thought he was solo behind, then got pulled back.

You didn't see Hanssen clip his rear wheel and go down when they were off the front?

 

[JibberJim]

For the Scratch, I didn't see him with Hansen at any point, I thought he was solo behind, then got pulled back.

He was in his wheel when he went, but pulled up after less than a quarter of a lap - either a mistake, or he couldn't sustain it. Not long after he went solo - and didn't get more than a 1/3rd of a lap ahead before giving up.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

He had a good result in the elimination, but he wasted so much energy sprinting each lap. Viviani and Coquard just sat at the front, allowing them to save energy, had Clancy done that I think he could have done better.

ETA: It was clearly a gutsy ride, and he was dead at the end, but that doesn't mean it was tactically any good, if you keep sprinting you are obviously going to run out of legs having to pass athletes who have saved energy.

For the Scratch, I didn't see him with Hansen at any point, I thought he was solo behind, then got pulled back.

The problem is that he could not ride at the front otherwise he would get dropped much earlier. Sitting at the front does not save energy. Hence he ended up riding at the back to recuperate and then sprinted to avoid elimination. Tactics are no good if you cannot execute them.

He definitely tried to go with Hansen twice. First time Hansen crashed and second time he just fell back.

I think we might have to agree to disagree here or just end up going in circles?

 

[mb2612]

Illuminating remark: he got bronze and looked very fallible in the Omnium, lacking endurance and recovery, yet the discussion is about the bronze medalist.

Becuase the bronze medalist was dominant in the timed events, whereas in the tactical events you can just get lucky.

Being a quicker sprinter than Forseterman, and still being one of the best over 4km is pretty remarkable.

 

[JibberJim]

You didn't see Hanssen clip his rear wheel and go down when they were off the front?

They were not off the front, they were in the middle of a broken up pack, and it happened as Clancy was pulling up the track, just as Hansen was going down - something that you don't do if you're off the front together. It was with 44laps to go if you want to watch it again.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Becuase the bronze medalist was dominant in the timed events, whereas in the tactical events you can just get lucky.

Being a quicker sprinter than Forseterman, and still being one of the best over 4km is pretty remarkable.

Those thighs create too much drag...

Remarkable yes, but nothing about that overall performance was super-human. He's a sprinter and a strong pursuiter, he played to his strengths

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Those thighs create too much drag...

Remarkable yes, but nothing about that overall performance was super-human. He's a sprinter and a strong pursuiter, he played to his strengths

When will he be a GT contender? Four years?

 

[JimmyFingers]

When will he be a GT contender? Four years?

Too big: sprinter or puncheur. One for the classics maybe. I'm ignoring the sarcasm btw

 

[will10]

When will he be a GT contender? Four years?

He was the strongest in the TP along with Steven Burke. Now Clancy is a big unit but Burke is only 73kg

 

[WonderLance]

If you re going to insult people based on their english speaking ability at least get your spelling right in your post.

This is a personal insult which is not permit on this forum, consider this a warning from me. And point me to one suspended rider in the World tour/olympic level in the last year who has english as his first language. Its a well known fact, the British are not cheeters.

 

[blackcat]

Becuase the bronze medalist was dominant in the timed events, whereas in the tactical events you can just get lucky.

Being a quicker sprinter than Forseterman, and still being one of the best over 4km is pretty remarkable.

you can be marked out of the race if you have a lead. Or a Clancy level favourite.

So, there is a relevance about where in the program is the points and scratch. Should they put it first in the program, would this (my intuition tells me) that it would put an emphasis on its importance.

 

[CharacterFirst]

Yup, we don't all agree with it dude. Never bought a lottery ticket in my life and never will.

That makes two of us then.

 

[CharacterFirst]

If you think that National Lotteries are morally corrupt, you really need to get out more.

lol. if you think gambling isn't morally corrupt, you need some serious life and ethics lessons.

No one is perfect, but don't hold the high moral ground like the Brits have been re drugs and bikes, and then take money from others loses.

 

[Caruut]

lol. if you think gambling isn't morally corrupt, you need some serious life and ethics lessons.

Why is it, then? Can you even define morally corrupt?

 

[the big ring]

I didn't even check

https://twitter.com/cyclingweekly/status/232185725674717185

Chris Hoy's Kilo Olympic record is 1:00.711 min. Clancy just did a 1:00.981 at the end of the omnium and after three TP rides.

I call that pretty good recovery...

 

[2008885]

lol. if you think gambling isn't morally corrupt, you need some serious life and ethics lessons.

Please do explain.....

 

[King Boonen]

Too big: sprinter or puncheur. One for the classics maybe. I'm ignoring the sarcasm btw

Clancy doesn't like riding on the road, so he won't be any.

I too was ignoring the sarcasm.