GB v Aus in teams pursuit at Copenhagen Worlds

[blackcat]

I think we will see two teams break 3 mins 55 secs in the heats of the Worlds this year. Its the event i'm most looking forward to watching, and until the teams are announced I won't comment on who will ride but no doubt the main squads for the medals will fly around the track at their best.

Even better, I have a week long ticket on the home straight in the Ballerup Super Arena and can't wait to fly out already.

Dave, if G and Clancy are in form, and in the squad with Ed Burke, no chance Denmark beating GB. No chance. The Aus team should put them to the sword tho.

 

[Big_Blue_Dave]

Dave, if G and Clancy are in form, and in the squad with Ed Burke, no chance Denmark beating GB. No chance. The Aus team should put them to the sword tho.

Like I have said i'm holding on to see all the teams announced, but if GB, Aus, and potentially NZ and Denmark have their strongest squads at top form (ie. Alex Rasmussen beating Bradley Wiggins in Andalucia) then we could see some of the fastest riding in the team pursuit of all time. Hence what I mean by the superfast times, and potential for Denmark with home advantage and motivation in another post being up there.

I think the Madison will be really good as well this year, though I see the Danes riding a couple of laps into the majority of the field and winning by one lap.

 

[blackcat]

Like I have said i'm holding on to see all the teams announced, but if GB, Aus, and potentially NZ and Denmark have their strongest squads at top form (ie. Alex Rasmussen beating Bradley Wiggins in Andalucia) then we could see some of the fastest riding in the team pursuit of all time. Hence what I mean by the superfast times, and potential for Denmark with home advantage and motivation in another post being up there.

I think the Madison will be really good as well this year, though I see the Danes riding a couple of laps into the majority of the field and winning by one lap.

I think the NZ team are gonna be weaker. Sergent is putting in the hours on the road to get a gig with The Shack. Ryan, Gough, Latham, Sergent, Bewley (wont be there), Christie, Archbold reserves. They will struggle to break 4minutes this year, as Sergent will not be at his best and he is their 4'16" engine.

The Danes gonna have their 4 that Salzwedal took to silver in Beijing, and won gold last year. They have topped out their potential imo. Would like to see Alex R get a ride in the IP. His last one I saw was a disappointing time in the LA World Cup in 2007 I think.

Brits v the convicts. I think the convicts will have 'em. If Thomas rides tho, he could tip the favor in the Brits. Depends who the 4th guy is. Heck, throw in Chris Hoy to be their pick up man and take em thru 1.5 km.

 

[auscyclefan94]

The convicts would 'ave em for dinner!

 

[Anonymous]

Dim, you will be wrong. As usual. Ten quid on this.

How will I be wrong, all i did was quote as is fact that at the moment sky have him down for those two races..

There is no right or wrong..

 

[Big GMaC]

Depends who the 4th guy is. Heck, throw in Chris Hoy to be their pick up man and take em thru 1.5 km.

Can you run it like that?

Put one guy in the front and light it up before pulling off?

Won't it put undue pressure on the other 3 as they will have to keep together?

 

[blackcat]

Can you run it like that?

Put one guy in the front and light it up before pulling off?

Won't it put undue pressure on the other 3 as they will have to keep together?

Answer: yes you can. See the Aus titles this year. A state team from Victoria or somewhere, won the title, by doing that. I think they set a national titles record. 4 minutes flat or 4'01". Not bad.

And the faster they get, the more the team pursuit becomes a specialist event, and needs guys with a bigger anaerobic peak, and the power and explosivity, to spike it when their nose hits the wind.

If you want to run the world record, I would have Hoy, Phinney, Thomas, and Bobridge.

Hoy taking them thru 1.5 km in about 1'31" and then a 28" 1500-thru-2000 and finish it off with 56flat 56 flat. That gives you a 5'51" which is about 2.5 seconds faster than the WR the GB squad set in Beijing."

I don't think the Brits can win in London, without the Aus team majorly f'ing up. Those damn convicts are fast. Dennis, Bobridge are two guys at 4'16", JB 2 secs quicker. And I reckon Howard and a young guy who had Phinney's jnr WR, Hepburn, are even better pursuiters.

The GB team need another guy, cos in my mind, they only have 3. G, Clancy, and Burke. Tennant and Swift and hopefully a fully recovered Jonnny Bellis, just dont cut it when they will be going around 50" flat in London. If I was Salzwedal, I would stick Hoy into the pick up position, and pull him off at 1.5 km. Lets face it, Hoy cant win in London, he will be too old to have the speed to win match sprint or keirin. But his keirin form suggests he is the fastest rider over 1.5km, he takes those keirin sprints about 3 laps out.

Key in the pick up position, is to take it out steady, not like a traditional kilo. See Phinney for eg. He gets quicker in his kilo, tho his final 750-875 and 875-1km do slow. But in a 12 man final, he will be about 12th to start, and 10th for his 125-250, until he is the fastest for every 125 split thru the final 500.

Need Hoy to ride it, so his 1375-1500 split, never slows, and he hits the target terminal velocity and holds it. Then pulls off. That is how the GB team could win London. They cant win if the Aus team executes. I have a big question mark tho, because the GB team are drilled like the Israeli Defense Force, and the Aus are the equivalent to Sadam's Iraqi Republican Guard. No match for the IDF. If the Aus team can match the potential in legs, to the execution of the program, they cant lose. Too much talent.

My highlight will actually be the IP. G v Phinney. They will be super fast. Hope Ballerup is fast for Worlds, I reckon they could push Boardman's non-legal.

 

[blackcat]

How will I be wrong, all i did was quote as is fact that at the moment sky have him down for those two races..

There is no right or wrong..

Dim, ten quid you are wrong

 

[Anonymous]

Dim, ten quid you are wrong

You really are a fool

 

[blackcat]

You really are a fool

we will make it twenty quid.

for your sense of humour, the great Stephen Fry you aint Dim.

 

[blackcat]

GMAC, the third rider needs to cross the line. Does not matter when you drop your 4th.

 

[Anonymous]

we will make it twenty quid.

for your sense of humour, the great Stephen Fry you aint Dim.

I still dont know what im going to be wrong about..

I said "apparently" he is riding, and the two races i mentioned, and then I hope he isnt, and is at the track wc.

I really dont know what the bet is strange man..

Youre a weird one, and i only have one rizzla left

 

[auscyclefan94]

I still dont know what im going to be wrong about..

I said "apparently" he is riding, and the two races i mentioned, and then I hope he isnt, and is at the track wc.

I really dont know what the bet is strange man..

Youre a weird one, and i only have one rizzla left

he's pushing your buttons and doing a good job of it!

 

[Big GMaC]

GMAC, the third rider needs to cross the line. Does not matter when you drop your 4th.

No, I know that, I just meant with the times they are aiming at that is going to be incredibly tough for them, and if you lead out with Hoy to 1.5km them leave 3 guys out there, if one of them cooks himself early you are screwed. In the traditional, one guys cooks himself you still have the 3.

But I guess in a gold medal match it is gold or silver guaranteed, so why not lay it on the line

 

[blackcat]

No, I know that, I just meant with the times they are aiming at that is going to be incredibly tough for them, and if you lead out with Hoy to 1.5km them leave 3 guys out there, if one of them cooks himself early you are screwed. In the traditional, one guys cooks himself you still have the 3.

But I guess in a gold medal match it is gold or silver guaranteed, so why not lay it on the line

but the Brits lack depth. Wigans at 71kg wont be able to turn it on to ride 3'50". Bellis, Swift, Tennant wont be 3'50flat riders. So you only have Burke, Clancy, and Thomas. Unless one of the young guys like Christian, Fenn, Rowe suddenly make a mammoth jump in 30 months.

So it is a risk worth taking. A silver means nothing to GB. The teams is all about preparation and having a squad together. No team besides NZ or Denmark, can I see being within a mile. Too much prep time, too much resources, the Eastern Euros lose all their talent to Spain road and Italy, and VC la Pommes.

 

[Anonymous]

he's pushing your buttons and doing a good job of it!

No, on this thread hes just being silly

 

[blackcat]

how about some quality information I provided. I dont see you doing $hit except giving a road calendar from Team Sky of G. And I was refuting the deduction from that, that he would be riding E3 and Ghent before the IP worlds. G going head to head with Phinney is gonna be one of the highlights of the season, and they will lower the current world best in the legal position.

 

[FeralMetal]

how about some quality information I provided. I dont see you doing $hit except giving a road calendar from Team Sky of G. And I was refuting the deduction from that, that he would be riding E3 and Ghent before the IP worlds. G going head to head with Phinney is gonna be one of the highlights of the season, and they will lower the current world best in the legal position.

G, Swift, Kennaugh and Wiggins are all riding road and Bellis is injured and IMO will not be at WC at Copenhagen,the likely squad for Team P. will be from
Burke, Clancy, Tennant, Fenn and Jason Queally and A.N.Other

 

[blackcat]

G, Swift, Kennaugh and Wiggins are all riding road and Bellis is injured and IMO will not be at WC at Copenhagen,the likely squad for Team P. will be from
Burke, Clancy, Tennant, Fenn and Jason Queally and A.N.Other

well, that is $hite if no G.

 

[Cerberus]

Like I have said i'm holding on to see all the teams announced, but if GB, Aus, and potentially NZ and Denmark have their strongest squads at top form (ie. Alex Rasmussen beating Bradley Wiggins in Andalucia)

Alex Rasmussen isn't doing Team Pursuit. Just Scratch and Madison. Team Pursuit requires to much specialized training and he's focusing on the Road.

 

[Ferminal]

No G......

 

[blackcat]

yep, FeralMetal gave a heads up, and had early mail on the team. Thanks FeralMetal.

I hope they select Queally in the final. I want to see the GB team ride off with 3 pursuiters in the final 3km. But I dont think they can bring home the final 2.5km with Clancy, Burke, and one of Swift and Tennant.

The big advantage in having a guy take the first 1.5 km, that is 5 changes never made, which is about 12 metres gained in the 4km. That 12metres at 60kmph is around 2 thirds of a second gained.

 

[blackcat]

G, Swift, Kennaugh and Wiggins are all riding road and Bellis is injured and IMO will not be at WC at Copenhagen,the likely squad for Team P. will be from
Burke, Clancy, Tennant, Fenn and Jason Queally and A.N.Other

edit, one error. They are taking Swift.

 

[Big GMaC]

yep, FeralMetal gave a heads up, and had early mail on the team. Thanks FeralMetal.

I hope they select Queally in the final. I want to see the GB team ride off with 3 pursuiters in the final 3km. But I dont think they can bring home the final 2.5km with Clancy, Burke, and one of Swift and Tennant.

The big advantage in having a guy take the first 1.5 km, that is 5 changes never made, which is about 12 metres gained in the 4km. That 12metres at 60kmph is around 2 thirds of a second gained.

How old is Queally now? Also, why not have Hoy lead it out, he is likely faster?

 

[blackcat]

How old is Queally now? Also, why not have Hoy lead it out, he is likely faster?

Queally is 40.

I think Hoy if he does not have the power or speed to win the keirin or matcg sprint and team sprint, will move to the pick up rider in the teams pursuit, and take them thru 1.5-1.75km.

If the GB team is to beat an Aus team, they will need Thomas, Clancy, and a very strong Burke imo with a fast pick up rider. I dont think Wigans at 75kg (he could put on 5kg of weight quickly) will have the explosivity in London to ride a 3'51" teams pursuit, after training in the mtns, and his chrono. Wigans likely will ride the chrono in London.

I would want Hoy in the teams, but he will only be 36 and 5 months in London. So he may still have a place in the track sprint side. Queally will be 42 and 3 months in London. That would be unprecedented to ride an event on the track at that age. Danny Clark an Australian, and Sercu was also old, riding 6 days, and Bruno Risi is an old cat.