GC Power Ranking

[Ilmaestro99]

1. Wonderboy
2. Vingegaard
3. Rogla
4. Almeida
5. Lipowitz
6. Landa
7. Carapaz
8. Simon
9. Hindley
10. Del Toro
11. Onley
12. Ayuso
13. Gall
14. Mas
15. Pidcock
16. Adam
17. Geesus
18. Jorgenson
19. Pellizzari
20. Skjelmose

For this season, so counter-factual simulations are seeded at the beginning of the year. All stage races are considered, top-level, how reliably it can be reached, seasonal consistency, robustness, some reversion to the mean for outliers, and team role are factors.

Finally someone who doesn't rank the guy the won the Giro d'italia on the finestre below 'enric mas'

 

[Netserk]

I feel bad for not including Godriguez, but with all his troubles the past two years, he is hard to judge.

Ineos is a mess, they no longer seem able to get riders properly dialed in for a big target.

 

[Brullnux]

Mas in the Tour:
2020 - 5th
2021 - 6th
2022 - DNF (this was the Tour where he was so scared of descending that he made prime Zakarin look technically gifted)
2023 - DNF (crashed out on day 1 with Carapaz)
2024 - this one was admittedly pretty bad
2025 - DNF (thrombophlebitis)

So he's never ridden the Vuelta while fresher than everyone else (unlike Skjelmose last year or Riccitello this year) and is 2/3 for good Tour GCs when he actually made it to the finish. Really don't agree he builds his season solely around the Vuelta - yes, it's a predefined target for him, but that has also been the case for Roglic almost whenever he raced it.


So the Vuelta route was not typical and therefore doesn't really count, but the hideously easy Tirreno one was typical and therefore counts? Because that's the only one where Landa competed against Gee.


So with Gee you are arguing we should look past his obvious shortcomings, but not with any of the other riders discussed? At that point, you're grading Gee on a different curve to everyone else.

Mas was on par with like Kelderman in those races, he's not seriously one of the best GC riders in the world, he's at the bottom of the top 15 list at best.

No my point with Landa is that in both Tirreno and Catalunya he was OK, not great. When he has done really well in GTs (2024, 2022), he was excellent in those races. We will never know how he would've done in the Giro, but I don't think his early season form was akin to '22, or even '23. I also think we tend to overrate Landa for Landismo reasons, when his best result in the new era is still 3rd in the 22 Giro, two minutes behind Carapaz (his best performance is definitely the '24 Tour, but even there he was 20 minutes behind the winner which, using your logic for Gee's 2024 Tour, only slightly counts in his favour).

I think Gee has shortcomings, and I don't think we should look past them. However, I think that Gee's shortcomings are more minor and more fixable, and still don't prevent him from being a solid top-5 rider in the lesser GTs and a top-7 rider in the Tour. Fixing his issues bump him up to reliable podium and top-five in the Tour. Pidcock has performed in fewer GTs than Gee, despite much greater experience, and there are still questions marks over his TT and ability in actual mountain stages. With Pidcock, there is a real risk this was a flash in the pan; with Gee, it is obvious that it wasn't.

like I said, my way of assessing it is that if Gee doesn't top five his next GT – even the Tour – then he should be disappointed (unless the Tour GC is just completely stacked). Pidcock isn't coming top five next year in any GT with a normal amount of climbing and a normal amount of TT.

 

[Brullnux]

I think Geesus is a diamond in the rough, a possible future GT winner. But he disappointed me somewhat in the Giro, I had expected a stronger finish to the race after he got going.

I don't really think he had many chances to make a difference, to be honest. There were only really three GC revenant stages from 11 onwards. Champoluc was a bit disappointing but it turned out to be a bit of a punch-fest, and he was good on Finestre and Stage 16. His TT was a bit disappointing, but he still recovered 1:40 on Del Toro after week one without relying in any 'they let him go up the road' antics.

 

[Red Rick]

I see that people still judge Mikel Landa as a professional bicyclist. This is a common misconception. Landismo is not a bike rider. Landismo is an idea, it is a philosophy, it is a lifestyle, and it is a gift to the world.

 

[Netserk]

I don't really think he had many chances to make a difference, to be honest. There were only really three GC revenant stages from 11 onwards. Champoluc was a bit disappointing but it turned out to be a bit of a punch-fest, and he was good on Finestre and Stage 16. His TT was a bit disappointing, but he still recovered 1:40 on Del Toro after week one without relying in any 'they let him go up the road' antics.

Champoluc and Bormio were rather punchy, but I still expected him to be stronger on the climbs from stage 17 onwards. He was much weaker on Finestre than the podium, masked by the self-sabotaging duo.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I see that people still judge Mikel Landa as a professional bicyclist. This is a common misconception. Landismo is not a bike rider. Landismo is an idea, it is a philosophy, it is a lifestyle, and it is a gift to the world.

He chose to help Kuss in Angliru fog sacrifising his own ambitions of crushing Visma traitors like insects. Nothing else has to be said.

 

[Red Rick]

Champoluc and Bormio were rather punchy, but I still expected him to be stronger on the climbs from stage 17 onwards. He was much weaker on Finestre than the podium, masked by the self-sabotaging duo.

I think Gee is a bit more of an attrition climber and Finestre being an attrition climb is a bit of a misconception for me, as it's usually a flat track bully FTP test with Sestriere as epilogue.

 

[Netserk]

I think Gee is a bit more of an attrition climber and Finestre being an attrition climb is a bit of a misconception for me, as it's usually a flat track bully FTP test with Sestriere as epilogue.

Expolsivity aside, he was also unimpressive the day before. He can do better.

 

[Berniece]

1. Wonderboy
2. Vingegaard
3. Rogla
4. Almeida
5. Lipowitz
6. Landa
7. Carapaz
8. Simon
9. Hindley
10. Del Toro
11. Onley
12. Ayuso
13. Gall
14. Mas
15. Pidcock
16. Adam
17. Geesus
18. Jorgenson
19. Pellizzari
20. Skjelmose

For this season, so counter-factual simulations are seeded at the beginning of the year. All stage races are considered, top-level, how reliably it can be reached, seasonal consistency, robustness, some reversion to the mean for outliers, and team role are factors.

For this season and then putting Landa 6th... Okay

 

[Brullnux]

Champoluc and Bormio were rather punchy, but I still expected him to be stronger on the climbs from stage 17 onwards. He was much weaker on Finestre than the podium, masked by the self-sabotaging duo.

He was yeah, finished about a minute behind them, but Finestre is a w/kg test and Gee weighs 70+kg. I think that was a climb where he was always going to be on the defensive.

 

[Netserk]

For this season

Did you read the full sentence?

I don't think his crash on stage 1 of the Giro was particularly indicative of what he could have done in the Giro.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

For this season and then putting Landa 6th... Okay

Don't worry. My bold prediction is that Remco would make top100 on the list.

 

[Berniece]

Don't worry. My bold prediction is that Remco would make top100 on the list.

Right after Uijtdebroeks at position 78 probably

 

[greyclouds]

1. Wonderboy
2. Vingegaard
3. Rogla
4. Almeida
5. Lipowitz
6. Landa
7. Carapaz
8. Simon
9. Hindley
10. Del Toro
11. Onley
12. Ayuso
13. Gall
14. Mas
15. Pidcock
16. Adam
17. Geesus
18. Jorgenson
19. Pellizzari
20. Skjelmose

For this season, so counter-factual simulations are seeded at the beginning of the year. All stage races are considered, top-level, how reliably it can be reached, seasonal consistency, robustness, some reversion to the mean for outliers, and team role are factors.

If you are considering this season only, I don’t understand how you can put Rogla above Almeida and Landa/Carapaz above Simon/Del Toro and maybe Hindley.

Honourable mentions to Vauquelin and THJ.

 

[Netserk]

If you are considering this season only, I don’t understand how you can put Rogla above Almeida and Landa/Carapaz above Simon/Del Toro and maybe Hindley.

Honourable mentions to Vauquelin and THJ.

Rogla had his strongest spring stage race performance ever in Catalunya and was the favourite to win the Giro when he got injured. Despite a bad prep, he proved in the Tour that his top-level is still excellent in the MTT and Ventoux.

So there's no indication that he wouldn't yet again be able to perform in a GT like he did in the Vuelta last year.

 

[Red Rick]

Rogla had his strongest spring stage race performance ever in Catalunya and was the favourite to win the Giro when he got injured.

So there's no indication that he wouldn't yet again be able to perform in a GT like he did in the Vuelta last year.

His Unipuerto performances in the Tour combined with Bora's boys performance in the Vuelta along with Vuelta being Vuelta and Vingegaard's underwhelming performance make me think Primoz would have cooked at the Vuelta had he not raced the Tour.

 

[Netserk]

Don't worry. My bold prediction is that Remco would make top100 on the list.

He wasn't ready to ride for GC before Dauphiné where he was mid, and he didn't have the base for a GT.

If we turn the clock back to Jan 1, do you see him perform on a high level in any stage race?

 

[Netserk]

His Unipuerto performances in the Tour combined with Bora's boys performance in the Vuelta along with Vuelta being Vuelta and Vingegaard's underwhelming performance make me think Primoz would have cooked at the Vuelta had he not raced the Tour.

Yep. If it wasn't for the monkey on his back and the chance to reach Paris again, he should have aborted the Tour when he became ill before the race.

 

[Potomac]

Florian Lipowitz vs. Matteo Jorgenson​

Same race results​

Results in races where both riders started.

• Racetype
  - - GC

#	Date	Race			Florian Lipowitz			Matteo Jorgenson
1	2025-07-27	Tour de France | General classification			3			19
2	2025-06-15	Critérium du Dauphiné | General classification			3			6
3	2025-03-16	Paris-Nice | General classification			2			1
4	2023-02-15	Tour of Oman | General classification			53			1

 

[Cookster15]

Don't know why we make top 20 lists - takes too long. Here is my top 10.

1. Pogacar
2. Vingegaard
3. Roglic
4. Almeida
5. Lipowitz
6. Carapaz
7. S.Yates
8. Hindley
9. Landa
10. Del Toro

 

[Peyroteo94]

Don't know why we make top 20 lists - takes too long. Here is my top 10.

1. Pogacar
2. Vingegaard
3. Roglic
4. Almeida
5. Lipowitz
6. Carapaz
7. S.Yates
8. Hindley
9. Landa
10. Del Toro

You put Landa and not Remco? Wild take!

 

[Brullnux]

My ranking:

1. Pogacar
2. Vingegaard
3. Almeida
4. Remco
5. Roglic
5. Lipowitz
7. Del Toro
8. Pidcock
9. Ayuso
10. Carapaz

 

[P4rthen0n]

My ranking based both on the last 12 month's results/performances in my view, and who I'd chose as a team leader for my team for the next 12 months, in order:

1) Pogacar
2) Vingegaard
3) Remco (TdF 2024)
4) Almeida (TdF 2024 + 1 week races in 2025)
5) Lipowitz (Vuelta 2024 + TdF 2025)
6) Roglic (Vuelta 2024 + TdF 2025)
7) Ayuso (Giro 2025 befoer DNFing + 1 week races in 2025)
8) Del Toro (Giro 2025)
9) Carapaz (Vuelta 2024 + Giro 2025)
10) Jorgensen (TdF 2024 + Paris Nice)

The first 5 are easy. 6-10 are almost interchangeable.

The 2025 GTs are done, so these would be my picks for the 2026 GC power ranking:

1) Pogacar
2) Vingegaard
3) Almeida
4) Remco
5) Lipowitz
6) Roglic
7) Del Toro
8) Carapaz
9) Onley
10) Felix Gall

The top6 are a lock (doubtful between Almeida and Remco), Del Toro and Carapaz seem right, but then it gets tricky.
Honorable mentions for Jorgensen, Hindley, Pidcock, Pellizari, Simon Yates, Ayuso and Gee.
I still think Simon Yates' win in the Giro was kind of a fluke and so he would not be my pick.

 

[Cookster15]

Was thinking 2022 Giro winning Hindley was back in the Vuelta but that was benchmarking against what might have been a below par (sick) Vingo. The jury is still out on him perhaps?

But yes I overlooked Remco as I lazily used Netserk’s list with some minor edits - my apologies! Realistically I would place Remco 4th behind Almeida. Even then maybe Almeida seemed better due to Jonas being crook? But I am not sure Jonas was sick in the Angliru stage?

I don’t think we can call Simon Yates’s Finestre ride to win the Giro a fluke either? An anomaly maybe but fluke no. Flukes are lucky.