Geert Leinders

[thehog]

interesting. didn't know that yet.

Dave Brailsford spent four years as a competitive cyclist in St. Etienne in France chasing his dream of winning the ultimate cycling challenge, the Tour de France...

What did he see? To come back for?

 

[martinvickers]

Where has he described himself as an expert on British doping?

I didn't say expert, i said informed.

 

[thehog]

I didn't say expert, i said informed.

British doping is not very well documented. But very much in abundance in their track set up and road scene through the 90s/2000s.

Long established.

No different than Belgium, Italy or Spain.

 

[Caruut]

I didn't say expert, i said informed.

Potato, starchy tuber. What difference does it make?

 

[martinvickers]

Potato, starchy tuber. What difference does it make?

There are quite a few starchy tubers. So Quite a lot, as it happens.

Point remains; all the nonsense sniper posts, and he doesn't even know this?

 

[thehog]

There are quite a few starchy tubers. So Quite a lot, as it happens.

Point remains; all the nonsense sniper posts, and he doesn't even know this?

Sniper's posts are excellent. You should contribute more and not deride others.

You can be very personal at times which doesn't suit you very well.

Could I request you be more considerate of this forum.

Thank-you, Martin.

 

[Caruut]

There are quite a few starchy tubers. So Quite a lot, as it happens.

Point remains; all the nonsense sniper posts, and he doesn't even know this?

Haha, touché.

I suppose I tend to try and steer clear of Millar. Doesn't ever get reported nowadays though, does it? You would have thought that with Brailsford's higher profile a few publications might have decided to mention it, but nothing in any article mentioning Brailsford and doping, of which there have been more than a few. Certainly given how interesting a tidbit of information it is, it doesn't get much attention.

 

[thehog]

Telling the truth doesn’t make it better,” Brailsford said

He is crazy man, that Dave Brailsford.

 

[Benotti69]

Well discluding the UCI, but that much was obvious..

How can you disclude UCI When McQuaid was all over Sky from July to the end of the Olympics, like a member of the team.

 

[Benotti69]

Are you serious? How can you consider yourself informed on doping, esp Brit doping, and not know this?

Sniper is not a Brit. This part of Brailsford and Millar's shared history is rarely mentioned.

Easy not to have tuned into it as Brailsford has tried to bury it ever since. Must have painful memories for him being banged up by the gendarmes

 

[Cycle Chic]

Sniper is not a Brit. This part of Brailsford and Millar's shared history is rarely mentioned.

Easy not to have tuned into it as Brailsford has tried to bury it ever since. Must have painful memories for him being banged up by the gendarmes

I think we need a Brailsford thread.

 

[Franklin]

I have no real problem with DB being there when David got caught... but his presence does make a few things extremely clear.

1. Dave can't be naive.
2. Dave knows what a dodgy doctor can cause at a team.

It's absolutely crazy to assume someone just could hire a main Doctor (he was the main doctor at races) without having to go through the management team.

Hiring Leinders was a big decision and the top manager of Sky must have been involved. Not just Leinders profile as main doctor and Top manager of Rabo is indicative, quite simply you do not hire the one responsible for the health of your main assets on a whim.

And that means that DB saying he was not involved is almost certainly a lie... or the most incompetent decision ever. Considering the control Sky has over the team and everything around it this just can't be true. Naivety is of the table if you look at Dave's past.

 

[martinvickers]

Sniper is not a Brit.

Neither am I. I still knew.

This part of Brailsford and Millar's shared history is rarely mentioned.

Easy not to have tuned into it as Brailsford has tried to bury it ever since. Must have painful memories for him being banged up by the gendarmes

No, sorry, not credible.

The Brailsford-Millar story is Brit Dopng 101. It's Tommy on Ventoux, Yates riding with LA. Basic, basic stuff.

It's not like the Webster stuff on Sutton, or the Wharburton legends, or Peter Keens ant-drug philosophy in the 90's, which might require at least an 'insider interest' as it were.

You don't know about the Millar situation, then you frankly don't know sh*t about BC cycling and doping, and you're in no real position to pontificate in the fashion he does.

Take Italian doping for example. i'll be honest, it's not by any stretch my 'specialism' - i know far more about irish, spanish, french and british doping, and a good bit more on american and Low countries doping than I do about Italian, or say Russian - though I'm aware of Padua, for example.

But the difference is, you don't see me pontificating on here about Italian-specific doping. I know my limits, and i know trying to suggest otherwise would be b**sh*t.

Sniper? hmmm, indeed....

 

[thehog]

I think we need a Brailsford thread.

We do. I might start one. Dave Brailsford vs Johan Bruyneel.

 

[Benotti69]

Neither am I. I still knew.

Vickers aint Oirish to be sure....

The Brailsford-Millar story is Brit Dopng 101. It's Tommy on Ventoux, Yates riding with LA. Basic, basic stuff.

How many links can you find to it?

It's not like the Webster stuff on Sutton, or the Wharburton legends, or Peter Keens ant-drug philosophy in the 90's, which might require at least an 'insider interest' as it were.

You don't know about the Millar situation, then you frankly don't know sh*t about BC cycling and doping, and you're in no real position to pontificate in the fashion he does.

Take Italian doping for example. i'll be honest, it's not by any stretch my 'specialism' - i know far more about irish, spanish, french and british doping, and a good bit more on american and Low countries doping than I do about Italian, or say Russian - though I'm aware of Padua, for example.

SO you dont know about the Italians, Sniper didn't know about Brailford getting a cavity search in Nice. He admitted it.

But the difference is, you don't see me pontificating on here about Italian-specific doping. I know my limits, and i know trying to suggest otherwise would be b**sh*t.

Sniper? hmmm, indeed....

that's a matter of opinion.

 

[martinvickers]

Vickers aint Oirish to be sure....

1. you don't get to tell me what nationality i am, for starters. And i'm not sure i like the insinuation of dishonesty.

2. That last little jibe is perilously close to racism. It's not funny. Back off it, now.

MV

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Sniper is not a Brit. This part of Brailsford and Millar's shared history is rarely mentioned.

Easy not to have tuned into it as Brailsford has tried to bury it ever since. Must have painful memories for him being banged up by the gendarmes

It has been posted in this forum on a few occasions and it was well covered in Millars book.
Funny that you think DB is trying to 'bury it' when you haven't read any of the books that mention it.

 

[sniper]

1. you don't get to tell me what nationality i am, for starters. And i'm not sure i like the insinuation of dishonesty.

2. That last little jibe is perilously close to racism. It's not funny. Back off it, now.

MV

never go FR, martin, never.

 

[Catwhoorg]

It has been posted in this forum on a few occasions and it was well covered in Millars book.
Funny that you think DB is trying to 'bury it' when you haven't read any of the books that mention it.

Of course DB wrote the foreword for that book.

Hardly the actions of a man trying to bury it

 

[sniper]

(...)

Neither am I. I still knew.

respect, really good.

Take Italian doping for example. i'll be honest, it's not by any stretch my 'specialism' - i know far more about irish, spanish, french and british doping, and a good bit more on american and Low countries doping than I do about Italian, or say Russian - though I'm aware of Padua, for example.

that's really honest. aprreciate it. takes a brave man. sure you wanna admit that?

It's not like the Webster stuff on Sutton, or the Wharburton legends, or Peter Keens ant-drug philosophy in the 90's, which might require at least an 'insider interest' as it were.

you're really clever, wise and stuff. thanks for sharing.

You don't know about the Millar situation, then you frankly don't know sh*t about BC cycling and doping, and you're in no real position to pontificate in the fashion he does.

we agree!

tbh i don't recall pontificating, but if i did, tell me where/how can i apologize?
as for me having any in-depth knowledge of cycling or doping: i don't. sorry, man.

 

[Benotti69]

1. you don't get to tell me what nationality i am, for starters. And i'm not sure i like the insinuation of dishonesty.

2. That last little jibe is perilously close to racism. It's not funny. Back off it, now.

MV

Whoooooooooooosh.......

 

[Froome19]

never go FR, martin, never.

Lol you have posted that a few times now and it doesn't get any funnier.

 

[thehog]

Lol you have posted that a few times now and it doesn't get any funnier.

Go to bed Froome19. Big day tomorrow. More Sky doping to defend. Sleep now.

 

[martinvickers]

never go FR, martin, never.

Snipes, you're a good laugh, and it ain't personal, honestly - and Benotti (I hope) meant nothing much by it - but I'm not going to pretend it wasn't offensive.

I didn't report it to mods, or anything like that; i'm giving Benotti benefit of doubt at moment, but also just warning not to go where he ought not.

Now lets stay on topic, okey doke?

 

[sniper]

Lol you have posted that a few times now and it doesn't get any funnier.

i wasn't laughing.

Lol

you were. mocking your buddy. not nice.